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I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).
by nrp 5mo ago
I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).
- varispeed 5mo agoAny blue-sky thinking like 256GB RAM support? I have a feeling that laptops don't keep up with the today's dev workflows.
- Schiendelman 5mo agoThe ram is an Intel chipset limitation, I don't know that they can do anything about it. Even AMD only goes up to 128GB now.
- tovej 5mo ago[flagged]
- sounds 5mo agoQuestion: did the hints given at https://frame.work/nextgen https://frame.work/nextgen include any secret messages you want the public to know about? Maybe the secret was missed during the run up to today?
- throwawaypath 5mo ago[flagged]
- pimterry 5mo agoAll the battery life stats use Windows for testing. How does the equivalent Linux performance compare?
- zdragnar 5mo agoAlways depends on your configuration but I've not had issues with arch or fedora getting comparable battery life to Windows in a long time.
- nrp 5mo agoWe're going to publish more Linux benchmarks as well. We have s0ix noted (7 days), and we're trying to make some more repeatable productivity-oriented workflows for Linux to use. We expect that Phoronix will publish some pretty thorough power efficiency tests too. We'll certainly be providing them with review hardware.
- _-_-__-_-_- 5mo agoThank you Nirav for everything you are doing for right-to-repair and better hardware. And, thank you for directly engaging with the community. I can't wait to update my 12th gen i5 FW 13 with a new chassis!
- schaefer 5mo agoThank you for supporting Phoronix. They are the #1 review I keep an eye on for linux laptops.
- kingsleyopara 5mo agoThanks Nirav, always appreciated :) P.S. The printer gag was cruel, just saying.
- loloquwowndueo 5mo agoI’d prefer a non-touchscreen. Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. Is that likely to be an option?
- einpoklum 5mo agoExactly. Why would I touch my screen? My hands are on the keyboard, I'm not lifting them.
- speedgoose 5mo agoDeveloping applications for touch devices is much nicer on a laptop with a touchscreen.
- loloquwowndueo 5mo agoIt’s not something I do. Hence - can I have one without a touchscreen?
- speedgoose 5mo agoI guess not. A touchscreen is cheap anyway, compared to many other components.
- yaksha 5mo agoFramework does sell their parts piecemeal, so if you were inclined once new parts are available, you could put together one to your liking without a touchscreen. Eg - Current Framework 13 bottom stand alone https://frame.work/products/bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANFD0001 https://frame.work/products/bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANFD0001
- tapia 5mo agoTouchscreen is one of those things that sound nice, but in my experience are not so useful. At least not for my typical use (programming, writing, even CAD design). Before having a framework 13 I had a dell xps 13 with touchscreen for about ten years. I never really had a use for it. But hey, the rest of the specs of the screen alone make it still a nice upgrade possibility for the future :)
- Agingcoder 5mo agoThis looks suspiciously like something I could buy : a lightweight well made Linux laptop, with long battery life. I currently use a MacBook and won’t get near a windows machine. Two questions 1/ will there be a 15 inches version ? ( I’m not getting any younger I like bigger screens ) 2/ software-wise how reliable are the suspend/resume and all the laptop features ? I’ve been using Linux for about 30y and to me this is typically the bits that usually fail. To put it differently, how confident are you that things will work properly out of the box ? Other than that , I love what you’re doing, please continue.
- 0xc133 5mo agoI’m not @nrp but I think I can safely answer this one: > 1/ will there be a 15 inches version ? ( I’m not getting any younger I like bigger screens ) They make a Framework 16, so a Framework 16 Pro now suddenly seems like a possibility, but I don’t think they’re going to make a 15-inch when they have the 16.
- kombine 5mo agoFramework 16 is way too bulky. I would like a laptop with a similar form-factor to ThinkPad P1.
- yencabulator 5mo agoBut Thinkpad P1 is 15.6"? That's very close to the Framework 16. Thinkpad P1: W 361.8mm x D 245.7mm x H 18.4mm Framework 16: W 356.58mm x D 270.00mm x H 17.95mm The Framework 13 roughly matches 14" laptops from other manufacturers. It's really a 13.5", and has a taller aspect ratio than typical.
- codethief 5mo ago> will there be a 15 inches version ? ( I’m not getting any younger I like bigger screens ) Seconding this question, though I would also be very interested in learning whether they're planning a 14" version.
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- fl13p 5mo agoIs the keyboard for the 13 pro the same? The upgrade kits I'm seeing on the marketplace have a keyboard included. Would it be possible to have a input cover pro, bottom cover pro, batteries pro, speakers pro and use my existing keyboard?
- acidtechno303 5mo agoTagging along: will they ever get QMK?
- nrp 5mo agoThe keyboard is mechanically the same, but it's a new SKU because we had to move the flex tail locations to support the haptic touchpad.
- fl13p 5mo agoThanks for answering my question--the haptic touchpad + improved speakers alone are worth me going all in on the upgrade kit :)
- _-_-__-_-_- 5mo agoI'm so excited, I was dancing after the announcement!
- lawn 5mo agoQmk support for the keyboard, like the Laptop 16 has?
- uxcolumbo 5mo agoAny plans to have a keyboard with a trackpoint and thumb buttons? I Don't need a trackpad. If you add this then you'll have a new customer for life. The trackpoint is the only thing that keeps me chained to Thinkpads.
- brookritz 5mo agosame
- nine_k 5mo agoSame here. I wonder if a third party could offer a keyboard with a trackpoint, now that the keyboard is an individually upgradeable part.
- koiueo 5mo ago+1 to that. I don't know how relevant is the parent argument these days, but pfu see released HHKB with trackpoint. Even despite dropping their signature topre switches, I consider this one of the best purchases. My wrists can't thank me enough. I won't consider a laptop without one.
- koiueo 5mo ago*patent argument Apologies for the edit in a separate comment. But the typo was so misleading, I decided to fix it.
- mapcars 5mo agoThat would be fantastic! The standard keyboard design is extremely outdated, while for desktop there are some products pushing it with ortholinear layout and thumb clusters, for laptops its doesn't exist at all. I don't know how much keyboard-design flexibility is available to you, but innovative keyboard could even be a killer feature.
- pxc 5mo agoHow is ortholinear supposed to be better? I've never used a full-size ortholinear keyboard but every time I've had one on a portable keyboard or mobile device it has driven me nuts (and staggered keyboards of the same sizes have not). I agree that offering more user choice here could be a unique and standout feature, though. One of the small things I love about their keyboard offerings is that they offer all blank key cap options.
- jjice 5mo agoFirst off, Framework is maybe the most exciting company I've seen over the last 5 years. My Framework 13 AMD is a wonderful machine. Thank you to your and your team for the incredible work and commitment! Two questions: 1. Will there will be a concrete guide to upgrading a standard Framework 13 to the Pro. I watched the video and read the page a few times, and I'm a bit confused what the whole process is and if all the required upgrades need to happen together, or if they can go piece meal. 2. With all the different components and increasing SKUs, I'd be a little worried that if I didn't upgrade to a Pro in the near future, that the old hardware would no longer be supported and it'd be a headache to upgrade at some point. Can Framework guarantee that there will always be an upgrade path within a size and line? Again, big thank you to Framework and I look forward to using my Framework 13 for a long, long time :)
- matthiaswh 5mo agoThis should answer most of your first question: https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro
- jjice 5mo agoThat's actually the part that I was getting confused by. Does everything with a yellow caution sign have to be upgraded together, or can that happen over time? Reading it again, I'm assuming they're overtime and individual upgrades that can take place? If someone could confirm or deny that for me, I would appreciate it. I may just be overthinking this table. Edit: yeah that's what I'm taking away after rereading this a few more times. Very impressed by the modularity on each of those parts.
- freedomben 5mo agoYou magnificent bastard, you know just how to suck money out of my wallet. And it's not even Christmas yet :-)
- lawn 5mo agoWill the hinges be 360 like the laptop 12? I wonder how useful the touchscreen will be without it.
- apetresc 5mo agoThis is my main question as well. Either stock or with some sort of separate hinge kit, that would completely seal the deal for me.
- pcchristie 5mo agoIt looks like not (you'd assume they'd have called it out if it was). I really don't understand the utility of a touchscreen without a 360 degree hinge.
- lawn 5mo agoResponse from the support (according to the Framework forum): The Framework Laptop 13 Pro Touchscreen supports touch input but does not currently support stylus input. Like other Framework Laptop 13 models, it opens with a maximum hinge angle of 180 degrees and is not designed for pen or convertible-style use. Pretty disappointing honestly.
- einpoklum 5mo agoWhy is this not offered with a decent keyboard? Proper key caps and meaningful travel.
- j01 5mo agoI love it, I've been waiting for years to buy a Framework, but my current laptop has so far refused to die. I think it's now finally old enough to justify upgrading. Will the new keyboard colour schemes come to other locales? I love the orange/black/grey but probably not enough to learn American English.
- _-_-__-_-_- 5mo agoFrench Canadian in black with the orange/grey/black please!
- cassianoleal 5mo agoDo these laptops, either the Intel or the AMD version, work with eGPUs on Linux?
- GyroTech 5mo agoI have the 13" with AMD 7040 and eGPU worked fine, but I switched back to a SFF desktop as I couldn't git hot-swapping to work reliably and bandwidth loss over thunderbolt was a little more than I was happy with. But functionally/mechanically it worked
- cassianoleal 5mo agoAwesome, thanks for the information!
- jonf3n 5mo agoWere you not getting the full 40gbps?
- aecsocket 5mo agoI'm excited for the new speakers - that's been one of the biggest pain points on my 13. - Is the Dolby Atmos configuration available for Linux as well as Windows? Or more generally, will the speakers sound as good on Linux as they do on Windows? - Will we be able to get audio comparison samples between the old and new speakers?
- chis 5mo agoAre you guys thinking about pushing to improve the linux software experience at all? To me that could almost be another selling point, if Framework 13 came with some downstream patches that improved sleep, power management, multi-display and hi-dpi monitor handling, etc. And secondly how healthy is framework as a company, and to what extent do you make money from consumers vs sales to big companies?
- vaylian 5mo agoFramework is not really a software company. But they are actively working together with various Linux distributions and they also provide funding for open source development.
- Retr0id 5mo agoHow well does the haptic trackpad stack up against the ones found in macbooks?
- houzi 5mo agoWhat would it take you to ship to Norway?
- gobelet 5mo agoThey do as of a few days ago! https://frame.work/no/en https://frame.work/no/en
- trostaft 5mo agoReally happy to see the new chassis for the 13 Pro! I own the 16 myself, and have been really happy with it, and am excited to see the haptic touchpad + unibody modules hit the marketplace. Those address the largest build quality issues I had with the device. You probably can't comment on this, but just to note it, I would be very excited to see the 16 get a similar Pro chassis.
- iamdamian 5mo agoI preordered a 13 Pro with Ryzen, which I'm already very excited about. Reading between the lines of your video announcement, though, it seems like the Intel experience might be more optimal (you pointed out Intel's new low power efficiency cores and Dolby sound being tested with Intel). If I want the best battery life and sound possible with Linux, should I switch my preorder to Intel?
- cassianoleal 5mo agoI'm also curious about these. What I am also curious is around memory management. On the Intel, I can get at most 64Gb RAM for now, 96Gb in the future. On AMD I can get 128Gb right now. Do they differ in how they can share RAM with the GPU? Do either need me to specify how much is vRAM and how much is available to the CPU, or are them both unified, similar to how Apple Silicon does it?
- schmorptron 5mo agofor the current moment, Intel seems to be ahead of AMD for both power efficiency and iGPU performance. Panther Lake is really, really good.
- ezst 5mo agoDoes the Dolby treatment carry into Linux with comparable performance, or does "best sound" require Windows?
- slickytail 5mo ago[dead]
- saltamimi 5mo agoHey Nirav, congrats on the newest release and I'm really eyeing the 13 Pro. A couple of questions: 1. How are the thermals? I've had mixed experiences with my 11th gen FW 13 throttling under load with the fan sounding noisy. It's fine if I'm alone but if I'm at a team gathering, it's noticeably loud. 2. Does the lid open with one hand?
- nrp 5mo ago1. Intel Core Ultra Series 3 is super efficient for video conferencing. That's a use case that Intel has specifically been optimizing for, so as long as you're using video conferencing software that leverages hardware encode/decode, which should be most of them at this point, the fan should stay off entirely. 2. We have one hand open on the lid for each generation of 13.
- saltamimi 5mo ago1. That's awesome! I assume RDP or VNC would be the same then, I use that for work primarily. 2. Huh. Well, I feel like an idiot! I always use two hands when opening the lid, muscle memory, I guess. ps. one question you don't have to answer: for the wireless keyboard, did you guys consider something like a fingerprint sensor? I like the idea of having something like that akin to Mac's Wireless Keyboard but I don't know how much integration something like that would need.
- gioele 5mo agoNo silver option?
- jackwilsdon 5mo agoThere are silver pro parts on the marketplace, although I'm not sure if they're more aimed at converting a standard 13 to a pro: https://frame.work/gb/en/products/laptop13pro-input-cover-kit?v=FRANKJ00A1 https://frame.work/gb/en/products/laptop13pro-input-cover-ki... https://frame.work/gb/en/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANKN0001 https://frame.work/gb/en/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-k... https://frame.work/gb/en/products/top-cover-cnc?v=FRANGKHA01 https://frame.work/gb/en/products/top-cover-cnc?v=FRANGKHA01 (not specifically a pro part but listed as compatible)
- _aavaa_ 5mo agoWhat’s the display color accuracy like outside of sRGB? How much of adobe or P3 does it cover?
- nrp 5mo agoThis is a 100% sRGB panel. We did look at expanded colorspace, but kept 100% sRGB to optimize for power consumption.
- ilaksh 5mo agoHas anyone tried Qwen 3.6 35B A3B on the 370 version with plenty of ram and if so what's the best tokens per second you can get, with the ideal quant, like maybe the U GGUF at 4 bit
- cge 5mo agoQ4_K_S Qwen3.5 30B-A3B runs at around 29 t/s for me on the 370 version with 64 GB of RAM, running llama.cpp without any tweaking. I haven't tried Qwen3.6 yet, but could download it tomorrow; since I have a 128GB FW Desktop at home, I tend to use that remotely rather than my laptop directly, which preserves my battery.
- 0xc133 5mo agoAny word on availability for that 12-core ARM mainboard? Also for the record I’d really love a Snapdragon X2 (or later) option someday…
- porphyra 5mo agoIt's a third party mainboard right? https://metacomputing.io/products/metacomputing-aipc?variant=50604798574898 https://metacomputing.io/products/metacomputing-aipc?variant... And anyway the performance of this CIX chip is really bad compared to the Snapdragon X2 or current x86 chips. Jeff Geerling has geekbench results here: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/arm-mainboard-for-framework-laptop/ https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/arm-mainboard-for-fra...
- 0xc133 5mo agoI didn’t realize they were selling it on another site, thanks for the link! (Framework has the RISC-V board on their shop, so I was expecting to see the MetaComputing one there too.) And yeah… what I really want is some Oryon cores in a Framework 13 motherboard.
- canpan 5mo agoI would love to buy one and know a bunch of others. Wonder if shipping to Japan is in the works?
- throwuxiytayq 5mo agowhat’s the screen like compared to the previous fw13 options? i’m considering an upgrade (screen-only, from the first gen one) and by the way, it’s a world where it’s hard to be a fan of any company any more and the fact that you guys remain exceptional gives me hope
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoWhy is the AMD version not available in LPCAMM2, and can we expect to see an LPCAMM2 version in the near future?
- yencabulator 5mo agoProbably because it's not really a brand new AMD motherboard? I'd expect/hope to see whatever comes after Strix Halo in a Framework motherboard. That's when you should be looking for LPCAMM2 for AMD.
- throwaway85825 5mo agoNot sure fhe Halo series will be LPCAMM compatible. The framework with the Halo chip is soldered.
- yencabulator 5mo agoI looked into it a little and it does seem like LPCAMM2 just can't provide that memory bandwidth through a single socket and dual socket would be overly complex to wire up. Bummer :-(
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoI just realised that the credit card I used to place my preorder will expire next month. Will there be an option to update my card details when I need to pay the full amount?
- nrp 5mo agoYes, you'll get notified when your batch is getting ready to ship, and you can update your payment information. You can also update the default payment method in your user account any time.
- codethief 5mo agoHi nrp, what's the battery life like on the more high-end CPUs (Ultra X7 358H, Ultra X9 388H)? Are you also planning to offer a non-touch display?
- nrp 5mo agoUltra X7 358H is the config we've used for most of our battery life tests, and efficiency should be very similar on the X9 config. We're keeping the SKU stack simpler and just having a single display option that has touch. You can disable touch in your OS though if you don't want to use it.
- codethief 5mo agoThanks! > We're keeping the SKU stack simpler and just having a single display option that has touch. You can disable touch in your OS though if you don't want to use it. The reason I asked was mostly that, in my experience, touch displays tend to be glossier / less matte than non-touch ones.
- cassepipe 5mo agoThere's no mention of Wi-Fi. Is the network card integrated to the new intel mainboards ?
- nrp 5mo agoWi-Fi is an M.2 2230 like on each of our products. We're using Intel's BE211 module for Wi-Fi 7.
- adioe3 5mo agoOne pain point is writing at night the keyboard backlight has only one bright white color. Will it be possible to change the backlight color to, f.ex. dark red?
- rainingmonkey 5mo agoWill you produce a keyboard with full size up/down arrows?
- spartanatreyu 5mo ago[flagged]
- throwaway85825 5mo agoIt's interesting what political issues people make paramount. Apple does ewaste as a service but don't have a fraction of the criticism and infighting as the open source community.
- spartanatreyu 5mo ago> It's interesting what political issues people make paramount. The related political issue here is people's right to exist. - See: https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-problem https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro... - See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human... ------------------------------------ Are you suggesting this issue should not be the most important issue? If this is the most important issue: what's the point of bringing up your following sentence? If this is not the most important issue: what in your mind would be a more important issue?
- hellcow 5mo agoExactly right. There's no issue more important to me than safety for the most vulnerable minority populations. This is a deal-breaker issue. I won't touch their laptops again.
- konmok 5mo agoApple markets to a very different customer base.
- throwaway85825 5mo agoWhy LPCAMM and not SOCAMM2? What is the status of SOCAMM for laptops and would it be possible to do a SOCAMM for NVMe?
- ben-schaaf 5mo agoSocamm is all about data centre capacity. It starts at 128GB and you can only order it in bulk(?) from data centre providers. On the other hand I can go to a local store and buy a stick of 32GB lpcamm2.
- throwaway85825 5mo agoThere's no reason they couldn't use smaller capacity modules. SOCAMM has better area efficiency and z height, both highly relevant for thin and light laptops.
- ben-schaaf 5mo agoThere's a big reason they shouldn't do that though: Laptops have already standardized enough on LPCAMM2 for the modules to be widely available.
- throwaway85825 5mo agoThe form factor is only a tiny part of the RAM module price. DRAM already isn't compatible gen to gen so you might as well go with the most optimized form factor
- ben-schaaf 5mo agoI agree, competition and economies of scale are much larger factors. Custom RAM SKUs for a single manufacturer with no competition will obviously cost more than an industry standard part. And you'll be locked to buying RAM upgrades from framework themselves.
- TechPlasma 5mo agoNow that you have a custom touch-screen. How long until you release a tablet (Surface-pro-like) form factor? I'm still using my 2017 Surface Pro because the form factor is amazing, but no one has come up with anything to compete with it. I know it's not the most ideal form factor for a repairable device, but I can dream.
- headsman771 5mo agoI would love a good Linux tablet with long battery life, repairability be damned.
- derekp7 5mo agoThe biggest issue with a Linux tablet, is you don't have a lot of tablet apps for Linux. Desktop apps don't translate to tablet usage that well. I found that out when I was using a Chromebook tablet, with the Linux mode add-in. Tried using things like openoffice, even firefox, and there were just too many issues (smaller tap targets, things like dragging your finger on a window selecting text (i.e., what a mouse would do) instead of scrolling like you would expect on a tablet of phone, etc). So you are either running Linux with a web browser that has a tablet mode, and making sure all apps are web apps adapted for mobile or at least non-keyboard use. Or you re-invent Android. One thing that somewhat worked was Nokia's Maemo -- it used X11, but the defined UI toolkit and guidelines made everything uniform and touch-screen friendly. Not sure about how the successor projects look if they are what I remember from Maemo / Meego (so maybe Sailfish or Tizen, not sure how open these are though).
- OuterVale 5mo agoNot quite the same form-factor, but they've gotten pretty close to a tablet with the Framework Laptop 12. https://frame.work/au/en/laptop12 https://frame.work/au/en/laptop12
- mutexjp 5mo agofor the love of god when are you going to start selling in Japan?
- dadoum 5mo agoHey, love that thing and I am considering to sell my current laptop to get one, but I wanted to first know if the laptop features pen/stylus support? I guess not, as it is not using a full glass cover like the 12 and otherwise it would have probably been advertised, and can we expect in the future an upgrade path towards that (by replacing only the panel or the whole top part maybe?)
- klooney 5mo agoWhat's the sleep situation? I have an ancient Dell with S3, which is totally fine, and a Mac for work, which is fine, but the modern standby situation, as summarized by people who are mad about it, sounds bad.
- mixmastamyk 5mo agoThere’s hope. My 12th gen intel still supports sleep, while the AMD doesn’t. Need to use Linux to access it I think. Haven’t confirmed that on latest hardware however.
- chaosharmonic 5mo agoFor those of us that, say, just got a new battery months before this was announced... a while ago (I forget when), there was talk of possibly sharing designs to enable repurposing them as power banks. Any word about that? Also is there a way of exposing an existing touchpad to that new control board for your external one? (Or keyboard I guess, but the use case is that I had to replace my keyboard too, and for what was available at the time ended up just going with a whole input cover. Truthfully, I was already curious about exposing it to USB-C before hearing about this, and prefer wired anyway, but am also curious about the more immediately relevant part of the question.)
- oxxoxoxooo 5mo agoHi! Congratulation on the launch, I hope the users will like these! Please, I do have a question about Desktop: there have been numerous reports of noisy PSU fan and little feedback from FW [1], could you shed some light on the situation? Are you seeing noisy PSU yourself, are there plans for a fix or another PSU? I understand you wanted a separate, and thus reparable Flex ATX PSU, but maybe just one larger fan for the whole case would have worked better (c.f. Steam Machine)? [1] https://community.frame.work/t/noisy-psu-fan/74751 https://community.frame.work/t/noisy-psu-fan/74751 Thanks!
- skywal_l 5mo agoAny plan for a 75% keyboard?
- cassianoleal 5mo ago16 hours after "being happy to answer questions", most questions are left unanswered. :(
- advirol 5mo agoWill there be more keyboard choices? I'd like a keyboard with dedicated Home, End, Insert, Delete, Page Up, and Page Down keys. The layout of the ThinkPad keyboards is especially nice here: The PageUp and PageDown keys are above the Left and Right arrow keys.
- miguelxpn 5mo agoAny plans to start shipping to Brazil? I'd be all over this if I could buy one.
- DreadY2K 5mo agoI noticed my 13 thermally handles being on a soft surface (like a bed or a couch) very poorly, it gets quite warm to the touch and runs the fans hard even at rest. Does the improved thermals of the 13 pro also help this case?
- konmok 5mo agoWhy do you keep sponsoring Rails World and giving laptops to David Heinemeier Hansson? After the community reaction last time, don't you understand the message you're sending with this behavior? Are you not concerned about the rise of fascism and white nationalism, trends which gain legitimacy in part through corporate endorsement of people like DHH?