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I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for

I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years out my mine. Apple: If you document the hardware enough for the Asahi team to deliver a polished Linux experiene, I'll buy one this year!

jeanlucas 7mo ago
Well, I just upgraded from Intel late last year. There are lots of users still on Intel :)
- apple4ever 6mo ago
  I am coming from a 2020 iMac 27", and waiting for the M5 Mac Studio. I thought about upgrading last year, but I didn't really have the money. But now I do!
- bsimpson 7mo ago
  There was a magical window at Google where you could be issued an iMac Pro 5k. (To this day, the standard issue monitor is still 1440p.) ~9 years later, there are a lot of people still using it as their main machine, waiting until we get kicked off the corp network for lack of software support.
  - bombcar 7mo ago
    Was that one of the ones that could do "target display mode" and become a monitor for another machine?
    - bsimpson 7mo ago
      Nope - they removed that feature, so now come the end of the year, they're all e-waste. It feels really stupid to have to throw away a perfectly capable machine with 64GB of RAM in 2026.
      - abustamam 7mo ago
        Wait, they throw them away, not sell or give to employees? I feel like as long as the computer is reset, indeed it is stupid to just throw it away instead of giving or selling it to someone who wants it.
        zadikian 7mo ago
        They could resell, but maybe another way to phrase this, tying the screen to the obsolete computer greatly reduces the useful lifespan of the screen. But at that time, DisplayPort didn't do enough bandwidth to have that kind of display externally anyway.
        xp84 7mo ago
        At that time… not that they even allow the 4K present day iMacs to target display. So that wasn’t the reason.
        zadikian 7mo ago
        Oh, that's irritating
        bsimpson 7mo ago
        They recently started a resale program with decommissioned devices.
      - spopejoy 7mo ago
        Throw asahi on it? I have access to one of those beasts and am considering it ...
seanalltogether 7mo ago
Same, in fact the only reason right now that I would upgrade my m1 pro is if they threaten to change the design by getting rid of the hdmi or sd card slot, or doing something stupid like when they added the touch bar. I was locked into my old intel pro for so long because of all the bad hardware choices they were making.
- virgildotcodes 7mo ago
  You may get your wish with all the rumors of a touch screen on the M6 MBPs.
  - throwforfeds 7mo ago
    Love that they didn't learn anything from the touchbar.
    - spiderice 7mo ago
      Comparing the touchbar to a touch screen is silly
      - kjkjadksj 7mo ago
        You are right the touch screen is even more stupid
        speedgoose 7mo ago
        It’s not. I had a thinkpad with a touchscreen and while I used the touchscreen seldomly, it was useful in some applications. Notably to easily develop touch based applications. I have a M1 MacBook Pro with the touch bar since. It’s crap. I remember the keynote where they introduced it and a DJ mixed music using it. It was ridiculous that it got approved.
        abustamam 7mo ago
satvikpendem 7mo ago
I read it the same way. I should've gotten way more RAM back when I got my M1 and RAM was still cheap although this was of course before the LLM boom so there was no way to really know.
- marpstar 7mo ago
  I maxed my M1 out when I bought it because I was frustrated with the 16GB max in the previous machines. I use my machine for all sorts of things and some days you just don't feel like exiting apps to make space for new ones. I still don't have a strong urge to upgrade. I could probably get by on 32GB (like my work-issued machine is) but 64GB is the right amount of headroom for me.
  - lowercased 7mo ago
    64 m3 max. 64 is probably too much for about 90% of what I do, but will likely become 'just right' in the next year or so. I was coming from 16g m1 mini, and i got a refurb m3 max mbp for $3k even, which was at the time a decent deal. 1.5 years in and it'll see me through for a while longer, barring some physical destruction.
dawnerd 7mo ago
My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.
- kobalsky 7mo ago
  my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%. now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower. you won't notice it a first thought because it's stuff, fast, but it eats a bit of the processor. multiply this by 1000 features and you have a slow machine. I don't know how else to explain how an ipad pro cannot even scroll a menu without stuttering, it's insane how fast these things were on release
  - compounding_it 7mo ago
    yes pretty much this. make useless features use up resources and make basic scrolling slow. the Liquid Glass for example probably is not so great when it comes to resources. Probably works better with latest metal and hardware blocks on the GPU in M5 as opposed to using GPU cores and unified memory on 8gb M1 making latest macOS work not so great. I have the M1 8gb air and it is really slow on Tahoe. It was snappy just a couple of years ago on a fresh install.
    - samat 7mo ago
      I downgraded today for the first time in my life. Sequoia is crazy fast in my MacBook Air m2 16gb Not upgrading any of my Macs ever again. I was a fanboy looking for every new update like a present, for 13 years, not anymore. It took one Tahoe burn all that trust. Never upgrading major OS versions on hardware from Apple again.
ramijames 7mo ago
I've been on a Macbook M1 Pro since 2022 (bought refurbished on Amazon for cheap) and it's still such a powerhouse. It doesn't struggle at all with anything that I throw at it. Kind of amazing. Nothing has broken and I consistently get 4-6 hours of heavy work time while on battery. An amazing machine for the price I paid.
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Nevermark 7mo ago
> I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" As there target for that marketing, I can report it hits home! But objectively, there is nothing wrong with my current experience at all. I have never had that experience over many generations and types of machines. The M1 keeps looking better and better in hindsight. —- Looking forward, either the M5 is the next M1, a bump of good that will last. Or Apple will be really firing on all cylinders if it can “obsolete” the M5 anytime soon.
renewiltord 7mo ago
I have an M1 Max with 64 GB and an M4 Max with 128 GB and the latter feels noticeably snappier than the former. The latest MacOS release fucked up the M1’s performance. Wish I could downgrade easily. I want off that ride.
- brailsafe 7mo ago
  I have the M3 Pro (32gb) and an M4 Pro 16" (48gb), and the latter is sufficiently snappier to make me happy I waited to upgrade from my horrible Intel 13" i5 with 16gb. The M1 Pro I used for work a few years ago was great too. I'm not on Tahoe on either computer, thank god.
- simonvc 7mo ago
  im running asahi fedora with niri on my M1 Air and apart from display port over usbc not working (it's coming) it's perfect. not too annoying to setup if the first thing you install is claude-cli
  - mkurz 7mo ago
    > display port over usbc not working (it's coming) it's perfect. I am on a Macbook Pro M1 Pro running Asahi and a 28 inch external display via USB-C / dp alt mode as of typing this comment. They have a `fairydust` branch in their kernel repo which is meant for devs to test and hack on dp alt mode support, but it just works for me without problems. See https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1pzht74/dpaltmode_kernel_branch_fairydust_made_available/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1pzht74/dpaltmo...
gniv 7mo ago
My late-2021 M1 Pro is working fine but I think one of the fans is broken. When loaded it starts beeping every 7 seconds and won't stop until I reboot. It might be just dust but I'm reluctant to open it up. Maybe I should and if I break it I have a better reason to upgrade lol.
- wffurr 7mo ago
  You can spray compressed air without opening the Macbook. Also iFixit has a nice guide if you do open it up: https://www.ifixit.com/Troubleshooting/Mac_Laptop/MacBook+Fan+Loud/506012 https://www.ifixit.com/Troubleshooting/Mac_Laptop/MacBook+Fa...
yieldcrv 7mo ago
I have an M1 Max Macbook Pro, and having used many employer's newer variants of M-series macbook's since then, I'm still very satisfied with my M1 Max but the air series is really good, and very light my M1 is now noticeably heavy and I don't think upgrading to another Macbook Pro is the move the resell value of the M1 did not hold, specifically the bumped up storage models. There doesn't seem to be a market for 8TB of space specifically, but the base 1 - 2TB holds its value because the baseline of the MBP holds its value M5 Max looks tempting if there is a very compelling tradein, but the M1 Max is pretty old so I don't have real hope of that, but I'll look. For AI Inference the difference doesn't seem good enough yet and necessary enough. I'll still need to use the cloud or aspire to have a specialized machine with more RAM or circuitry on my network.
predkambrij 7mo ago
Please, please. I'd love to use it with Debian.
TMWNN 7mo ago
>I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" >I think I will get another 2-5 years out my mine. I only own a M4 because the M1 had a hardware fault and I needed a replacement ASAP. (I sold the M1 after repair.) Although I'm glad to have a newer machine with longer future support, I have yet to notice any meaningful performance difference.
- ukd1 7mo ago
  Ditto. Though, I fixed my M1. I have an M4 max for work; the nano screen is a win. The perf is better, but it's really marginal unless actually doing stuff with the GPU, then it's super slow compared to a decent GPU anyway (i.e. h100, gb etc)
TranquilMarmot 7mo ago
My personal M3 Pro is still going strong and it looks like the rest of the hardware is basically the same? I really don't see a reason to upgrade. My work laptop is an M1 Pro and it is also doing totally fine. At work we used to do laptop upgrades on a 3 year cadence but the M-series laptops are so good that we switched to 5 years instead.
zadikian 7mo ago
The real improvement was the number of displays supported and, in some cases, removing the Touch Bar and adding HDMI/SD.
- justinator 7mo ago
  > removing the Touch Bar Praise the lord. And the Tour Bar daemon takes, checks 2GB of ram alone.
mr_o47 7mo ago
Would it be worth upgrading from my M4 Pro 48GB to M5 Pro 64GB
- pottertheotter 7mo ago
  I’m sorry you have to make do with that setup. I’d upgrade to an M5 Pro 64GB right away. In fact, your old one has no value. I can safely dispose of it for you.
  - mr_o47 7mo ago
    Ahh I see, I just bought like few weeks ago but why would you say that
    - ema 7mo ago
      Read the reply you got more carefully, especially the last sentence is key.
- deeth_starr_v 7mo ago
  It’s hard to tell at this point. You’ll get two more cores and more memory but they moved to chiplets which could hit performance on this first try. Best to wait for actual benchmarks
riffraff 7mo ago
Yeah reading these announcements I realized my M1 Pro is supposed to be obsolete but I still see no reason to upgrade. Also, my wife's still using the older touch bar MBP, and we'll, it works fine for her too. I'm not sure who needs the newer pros.
- Jolter 7mo ago
  Everyone who’s still running Intel hardware, especially on Windows. I recently swapped out my work PC (a beefy workstation laptop) for an M4 Pro and it’s an amazing upgrade.
- gbalduzzi 7mo ago
  I'm still using the touch bar MBP. For doing web work using vs code, it works very well. You start having problems when an heavy compilation is required, e.g. Android / iOS builds
  - lelandfe 7mo ago
    My 2020 M1 MBP just had its touch bar die a couple weeks ago :( Now I don't have function keys
    - sieabahlpark 6mo ago
      [dead]
- phil21 7mo ago
  Mostly folks who bought base model with small amounts of RAM I imagine. While it’s workable, anything less than 24GB to me feels rather constrained. I definitely am not efficient though - leaving way too many browser tabs open I never actually get back to, running a few chrome profiles for work/side hustle/personal, etc. I don’t think I’ve ever been CPU constrained for many years now. The few times I need to something that maxes out CPU just isn’t worth the upgrade vs taking a break to grab a cup of coffee.
neya 7mo ago
I upgraded to an M3 Pro from an M1 Pro. I sold my M1 Pro at 90% of the original cost (not even exaggerating) on Facebook marketplace AFTER 2 YEARS. I thought the buyer was insane to buy it at that price. But, of course mine had a decent spec and still had the Apple care warranty with very low battery cycle count. After the sale, the buyer told me the truth: The M1 is the best chip Apple ever made and I wouldn't see much of a difference in real world between the M1 Pro and an M3 Pro unless it was the Max version of the chip. I didn't believe him then. But, after a year of being on M3 Pro, I gotta say he was spot on. Don't get me wrong, the M3 Pro is definitely faster in a lot of things. But not 3x or 2x faster like Apple always like to market. I can open a few extra tabs without slowing down, compile times (Elixir) did get somewhat faster. But definitely not faster to the point where there were two generations worth of performance improvements like Apple claimed. The M1 chip series is vastly underrated.
- freehorse 7mo ago
  M3 was a weird generation, as they contained fewer transistors than the previous ones. It is slightly faster in single core tasks, and has a few more cores, but they are very close. But in terms of gpu, m3s are quite nerfed esp because they lowered the memory bandwidth, so on llm performance they are on par. I have both an m3 and an M1 Max, one of them from work, so I have tested them extensively (though the m3 is binned and 14”, the m1 full and 16”). M3 had better TTFT but the M1 had a bit higher tokens/s.
  - neya 7mo ago
    Wow! Thanks for sharing. I didn't know this. Time to upgrade to M5? What do you think about the M5? I know it's too early for tests. But I would love to hear your opinion.
    - freehorse 7mo ago
      M4 was already imo a more meaningful upgrade compared to m2/m3, and they increased the memory bandwidths too. But then, all apple silicon is good hardware, and I do not personally feel in any rush to upgrade, unless you want a specific upgrade like more ram.
palad1n 7mo ago
Haha! I bought an M1 Max Macbook Pro and I maxed most of the specs. 64GB memory! (Except for the SSD, which I got the 2TB option.) I have not even THOUGHT about “upgrading” to a newer model. I have yet to even tax my system to any significant degree. Bad for Apple? How much are they worth?
ok_dad 7mo ago
Yep I’m still using an M2 MacBook Air with 8gb of ram to do development. Thank goodness the company I work for doesn’t use a bunch heavy infrastructure. I expect to use this for several more years at least.
stared 7mo ago
Also M1 Pro owner, and it was the biggest leap ever. 2.5x speedup for build times over the last Intel Silicon, paired with 2x or so longer battery life, and better design in general (keyboard, ports). What is tricky is not even CPU/GPU, but that in a Macbook it is impossible to upgrade RAM (easier to understand, as it is tied to the processor), but also the hard drive. Correct me if I am wrong, but I bet it is a decision by Apple, so people buy newer Macs more often.
- bzzzt 7mo ago
  Of course it was a decision by Apple, but I'm not really sure it's that 'tricky'. There are multiple ways to upgrade storage: since Macs retain the value quite a long time compared to PCs, if you really want everything integrated and need you can sell your Mac and just buy a bigger one. Then there are several options for external storage (from USB stick or SSD to NAS to Thunderbolt disk arrays). The integrated 'root disk' also has advantages: Apple controls the entire stack including drive firmware so it's guaranteed not to have nasty surprises on Mac like some PC SSDs I've been bitten by in the past. Also, performance is uniform and it's impossible for a drive to fail or shake loose due to a bad connector because there isn't one.
artk42 7mo ago
Haha, can't be said better. M1pro is so good. Literally the only Jobs legacy, every other thing except silicon and laptop engineering is mediocre to dead now.
api 7mo ago
I have an M1 Max. Splurged a little. It continues to be able to do huge builds and run mid tier open weights AI models at usable speed. This does look like a nice machine though. I’ll probably wait for the M6 Max. If/when RAM comes down they might stuff 192 or 256 gigs in one, which would make it able to run larger tier open weights models. 128 is kind of an uncanny valley for models. Bigger than you need for the mid tier and too small for the huge ones.
leokennis 7mo ago
I have a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM - for development work, there is 0 reason to upgrade it. All day battery, silent, small, no lag...
amelius 7mo ago
> Apple: If you document the hardware enough for the Asahi team to deliver a polished Linux experiene, I'll buy one this year! They probably can't do that because of potential patent issues that might surface. Lawyers say no.
- rileymat2 7mo ago
  That’s highly unlikely, releasing the product counts as a public disclosure which would start the clock on filing.
  - amelius 7mo ago
    You are thinking of the other direction. I'm talking about competitors like e.g. Intel/AMD/nVidia who could browse the documentation and find potential infringements. In fact what Apple's legal department forgot is that the Asahi team could enable just that.
robrtsql 7mo ago
The M1 is indeed too good. It seems like the best tool that Apple has to force users to upgrade is ending macOS support on it. I keep telling people that the best laptop value on the market right now is to buy a refurbished MacBook Pro M1/M2. I stand by that from a usability and performance standpoint, but I feel weird about recommending a laptop that could only get security updates for another 3 years.
lol_catz 7mo ago
the 16 inch m1 max likely runs quieter and cooler.
port11 6mo ago
> There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation… Of all the stupid things Apple has said lately, this is the most obtuse, pro-market-insulting nonsense. Intel-based Macs were knee-deep in issues Apple wasn’t fixing, and then along came the snappy and always-cool M1. That was the best time for customers to upgrade. The new Silicon generations can be quite good, but they’re not worlds ahead in anything. I’ll upgrade my M1 when Apple releases a macOS worthy of being used by its pro customers.

jeanlucas 7mo ago

Well, I just upgraded from Intel late last year. There are lots of users still on Intel :)

apple4ever 6mo ago
I am coming from a 2020 iMac 27", and waiting for the M5 Mac Studio. I thought about upgrading last year, but I didn't really have the money. But now I do!
bsimpson 7mo ago
There was a magical window at Google where you could be issued an iMac Pro 5k. (To this day, the standard issue monitor is still 1440p.) ~9 years later, there are a lot of people still using it as their main machine, waiting until we get kicked off the corp network for lack of software support.
- bombcar 7mo ago
  Was that one of the ones that could do "target display mode" and become a monitor for another machine?
  - bsimpson 7mo ago
    Nope - they removed that feature, so now come the end of the year, they're all e-waste. It feels really stupid to have to throw away a perfectly capable machine with 64GB of RAM in 2026.
    - abustamam 7mo ago
      Wait, they throw them away, not sell or give to employees? I feel like as long as the computer is reset, indeed it is stupid to just throw it away instead of giving or selling it to someone who wants it.
      - zadikian 7mo ago
        They could resell, but maybe another way to phrase this, tying the screen to the obsolete computer greatly reduces the useful lifespan of the screen. But at that time, DisplayPort didn't do enough bandwidth to have that kind of display externally anyway.
        xp84 7mo ago
        At that time… not that they even allow the 4K present day iMacs to target display. So that wasn’t the reason.
        zadikian 7mo ago
        Oh, that's irritating
      - bsimpson 7mo ago
        They recently started a resale program with decommissioned devices.
    - spopejoy 7mo ago
      Throw asahi on it? I have access to one of those beasts and am considering it ...

seanalltogether 7mo ago

Same, in fact the only reason right now that I would upgrade my m1 pro is if they threaten to change the design by getting rid of the hdmi or sd card slot, or doing something stupid like when they added the touch bar. I was locked into my old intel pro for so long because of all the bad hardware choices they were making.

virgildotcodes 7mo ago
You may get your wish with all the rumors of a touch screen on the M6 MBPs.
- throwforfeds 7mo ago
  Love that they didn't learn anything from the touchbar.
  - spiderice 7mo ago
    Comparing the touchbar to a touch screen is silly
    - kjkjadksj 7mo ago
      You are right the touch screen is even more stupid
      - speedgoose 7mo ago
        It’s not. I had a thinkpad with a touchscreen and while I used the touchscreen seldomly, it was useful in some applications. Notably to easily develop touch based applications. I have a M1 MacBook Pro with the touch bar since. It’s crap. I remember the keynote where they introduced it and a DJ mixed music using it. It was ridiculous that it got approved.
        abustamam 7mo ago

satvikpendem 7mo ago

I read it the same way. I should've gotten way more RAM back when I got my M1 and RAM was still cheap although this was of course before the LLM boom so there was no way to really know.

marpstar 7mo ago
I maxed my M1 out when I bought it because I was frustrated with the 16GB max in the previous machines. I use my machine for all sorts of things and some days you just don't feel like exiting apps to make space for new ones. I still don't have a strong urge to upgrade. I could probably get by on 32GB (like my work-issued machine is) but 64GB is the right amount of headroom for me.
- lowercased 7mo ago
  64 m3 max. 64 is probably too much for about 90% of what I do, but will likely become 'just right' in the next year or so. I was coming from 16g m1 mini, and i got a refurb m3 max mbp for $3k even, which was at the time a decent deal. 1.5 years in and it'll see me through for a while longer, barring some physical destruction.

dawnerd 7mo ago

My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

kobalsky 7mo ago
my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%. now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower. you won't notice it a first thought because it's stuff, fast, but it eats a bit of the processor. multiply this by 1000 features and you have a slow machine. I don't know how else to explain how an ipad pro cannot even scroll a menu without stuttering, it's insane how fast these things were on release
- compounding_it 7mo ago
  yes pretty much this. make useless features use up resources and make basic scrolling slow. the Liquid Glass for example probably is not so great when it comes to resources. Probably works better with latest metal and hardware blocks on the GPU in M5 as opposed to using GPU cores and unified memory on 8gb M1 making latest macOS work not so great. I have the M1 8gb air and it is really slow on Tahoe. It was snappy just a couple of years ago on a fresh install.
  - samat 7mo ago
    I downgraded today for the first time in my life. Sequoia is crazy fast in my MacBook Air m2 16gb Not upgrading any of my Macs ever again. I was a fanboy looking for every new update like a present, for 13 years, not anymore. It took one Tahoe burn all that trust. Never upgrading major OS versions on hardware from Apple again.

ramijames 7mo ago

I've been on a Macbook M1 Pro since 2022 (bought refurbished on Amazon for cheap) and it's still such a powerhouse. It doesn't struggle at all with anything that I throw at it. Kind of amazing. Nothing has broken and I consistently get 4-6 hours of heavy work time while on battery. An amazing machine for the price I paid.

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Nevermark 7mo ago

> I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" As there target for that marketing, I can report it hits home! But objectively, there is nothing wrong with my current experience at all. I have never had that experience over many generations and types of machines. The M1 keeps looking better and better in hindsight. —- Looking forward, either the M5 is the next M1, a bump of good that will last. Or Apple will be really firing on all cylinders if it can “obsolete” the M5 anytime soon.

renewiltord 7mo ago

I have an M1 Max with 64 GB and an M4 Max with 128 GB and the latter feels noticeably snappier than the former. The latest MacOS release fucked up the M1’s performance. Wish I could downgrade easily. I want off that ride.

brailsafe 7mo ago
I have the M3 Pro (32gb) and an M4 Pro 16" (48gb), and the latter is sufficiently snappier to make me happy I waited to upgrade from my horrible Intel 13" i5 with 16gb. The M1 Pro I used for work a few years ago was great too. I'm not on Tahoe on either computer, thank god.
simonvc 7mo ago
im running asahi fedora with niri on my M1 Air and apart from display port over usbc not working (it's coming) it's perfect. not too annoying to setup if the first thing you install is claude-cli
- mkurz 7mo ago
  > display port over usbc not working (it's coming) it's perfect. I am on a Macbook Pro M1 Pro running Asahi and a 28 inch external display via USB-C / dp alt mode as of typing this comment. They have a `fairydust` branch in their kernel repo which is meant for devs to test and hack on dp alt mode support, but it just works for me without problems. See https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1pzht74/dpaltmode_kernel_branch_fairydust_made_available/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1pzht74/dpaltmo...

gniv 7mo ago

My late-2021 M1 Pro is working fine but I think one of the fans is broken. When loaded it starts beeping every 7 seconds and won't stop until I reboot. It might be just dust but I'm reluctant to open it up. Maybe I should and if I break it I have a better reason to upgrade lol.

wffurr 7mo ago
You can spray compressed air without opening the Macbook. Also iFixit has a nice guide if you do open it up: https://www.ifixit.com/Troubleshooting/Mac_Laptop/MacBook+Fan+Loud/506012 https://www.ifixit.com/Troubleshooting/Mac_Laptop/MacBook+Fa...

yieldcrv 7mo ago

I have an M1 Max Macbook Pro, and having used many employer's newer variants of M-series macbook's since then, I'm still very satisfied with my M1 Max but the air series is really good, and very light my M1 is now noticeably heavy and I don't think upgrading to another Macbook Pro is the move the resell value of the M1 did not hold, specifically the bumped up storage models. There doesn't seem to be a market for 8TB of space specifically, but the base 1 - 2TB holds its value because the baseline of the MBP holds its value M5 Max looks tempting if there is a very compelling tradein, but the M1 Max is pretty old so I don't have real hope of that, but I'll look. For AI Inference the difference doesn't seem good enough yet and necessary enough. I'll still need to use the cloud or aspire to have a specialized machine with more RAM or circuitry on my network.

predkambrij 7mo ago

Please, please. I'd love to use it with Debian.

TMWNN 7mo ago

>I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" >I think I will get another 2-5 years out my mine. I only own a M4 because the M1 had a hardware fault and I needed a replacement ASAP. (I sold the M1 after repair.) Although I'm glad to have a newer machine with longer future support, I have yet to notice any meaningful performance difference.

ukd1 7mo ago
Ditto. Though, I fixed my M1. I have an M4 max for work; the nano screen is a win. The perf is better, but it's really marginal unless actually doing stuff with the GPU, then it's super slow compared to a decent GPU anyway (i.e. h100, gb etc)

TranquilMarmot 7mo ago

My personal M3 Pro is still going strong and it looks like the rest of the hardware is basically the same? I really don't see a reason to upgrade. My work laptop is an M1 Pro and it is also doing totally fine. At work we used to do laptop upgrades on a 3 year cadence but the M-series laptops are so good that we switched to 5 years instead.

zadikian 7mo ago

The real improvement was the number of displays supported and, in some cases, removing the Touch Bar and adding HDMI/SD.

justinator 7mo ago
> removing the Touch Bar Praise the lord. And the Tour Bar daemon takes, checks 2GB of ram alone.

mr_o47 7mo ago

Would it be worth upgrading from my M4 Pro 48GB to M5 Pro 64GB

pottertheotter 7mo ago
I’m sorry you have to make do with that setup. I’d upgrade to an M5 Pro 64GB right away. In fact, your old one has no value. I can safely dispose of it for you.
- mr_o47 7mo ago
  Ahh I see, I just bought like few weeks ago but why would you say that
  - ema 7mo ago
    Read the reply you got more carefully, especially the last sentence is key.
deeth_starr_v 7mo ago
It’s hard to tell at this point. You’ll get two more cores and more memory but they moved to chiplets which could hit performance on this first try. Best to wait for actual benchmarks

riffraff 7mo ago

Yeah reading these announcements I realized my M1 Pro is supposed to be obsolete but I still see no reason to upgrade. Also, my wife's still using the older touch bar MBP, and we'll, it works fine for her too. I'm not sure who needs the newer pros.

Jolter 7mo ago
Everyone who’s still running Intel hardware, especially on Windows. I recently swapped out my work PC (a beefy workstation laptop) for an M4 Pro and it’s an amazing upgrade.
gbalduzzi 7mo ago
I'm still using the touch bar MBP. For doing web work using vs code, it works very well. You start having problems when an heavy compilation is required, e.g. Android / iOS builds
- lelandfe 7mo ago
  My 2020 M1 MBP just had its touch bar die a couple weeks ago :( Now I don't have function keys
  - sieabahlpark 6mo ago
    [dead]
phil21 7mo ago
Mostly folks who bought base model with small amounts of RAM I imagine. While it’s workable, anything less than 24GB to me feels rather constrained. I definitely am not efficient though - leaving way too many browser tabs open I never actually get back to, running a few chrome profiles for work/side hustle/personal, etc. I don’t think I’ve ever been CPU constrained for many years now. The few times I need to something that maxes out CPU just isn’t worth the upgrade vs taking a break to grab a cup of coffee.

neya 7mo ago

I upgraded to an M3 Pro from an M1 Pro. I sold my M1 Pro at 90% of the original cost (not even exaggerating) on Facebook marketplace AFTER 2 YEARS. I thought the buyer was insane to buy it at that price. But, of course mine had a decent spec and still had the Apple care warranty with very low battery cycle count. After the sale, the buyer told me the truth: The M1 is the best chip Apple ever made and I wouldn't see much of a difference in real world between the M1 Pro and an M3 Pro unless it was the Max version of the chip. I didn't believe him then. But, after a year of being on M3 Pro, I gotta say he was spot on. Don't get me wrong, the M3 Pro is definitely faster in a lot of things. But not 3x or 2x faster like Apple always like to market. I can open a few extra tabs without slowing down, compile times (Elixir) did get somewhat faster. But definitely not faster to the point where there were two generations worth of performance improvements like Apple claimed. The M1 chip series is vastly underrated.

freehorse 7mo ago
M3 was a weird generation, as they contained fewer transistors than the previous ones. It is slightly faster in single core tasks, and has a few more cores, but they are very close. But in terms of gpu, m3s are quite nerfed esp because they lowered the memory bandwidth, so on llm performance they are on par. I have both an m3 and an M1 Max, one of them from work, so I have tested them extensively (though the m3 is binned and 14”, the m1 full and 16”). M3 had better TTFT but the M1 had a bit higher tokens/s.
- neya 7mo ago
  Wow! Thanks for sharing. I didn't know this. Time to upgrade to M5? What do you think about the M5? I know it's too early for tests. But I would love to hear your opinion.
  - freehorse 7mo ago
    M4 was already imo a more meaningful upgrade compared to m2/m3, and they increased the memory bandwidths too. But then, all apple silicon is good hardware, and I do not personally feel in any rush to upgrade, unless you want a specific upgrade like more ram.

palad1n 7mo ago

Haha! I bought an M1 Max Macbook Pro and I maxed most of the specs. 64GB memory! (Except for the SSD, which I got the 2TB option.) I have not even THOUGHT about “upgrading” to a newer model. I have yet to even tax my system to any significant degree. Bad for Apple? How much are they worth?

ok_dad 7mo ago

Yep I’m still using an M2 MacBook Air with 8gb of ram to do development. Thank goodness the company I work for doesn’t use a bunch heavy infrastructure. I expect to use this for several more years at least.

stared 7mo ago

Also M1 Pro owner, and it was the biggest leap ever. 2.5x speedup for build times over the last Intel Silicon, paired with 2x or so longer battery life, and better design in general (keyboard, ports). What is tricky is not even CPU/GPU, but that in a Macbook it is impossible to upgrade RAM (easier to understand, as it is tied to the processor), but also the hard drive. Correct me if I am wrong, but I bet it is a decision by Apple, so people buy newer Macs more often.

bzzzt 7mo ago
Of course it was a decision by Apple, but I'm not really sure it's that 'tricky'. There are multiple ways to upgrade storage: since Macs retain the value quite a long time compared to PCs, if you really want everything integrated and need you can sell your Mac and just buy a bigger one. Then there are several options for external storage (from USB stick or SSD to NAS to Thunderbolt disk arrays). The integrated 'root disk' also has advantages: Apple controls the entire stack including drive firmware so it's guaranteed not to have nasty surprises on Mac like some PC SSDs I've been bitten by in the past. Also, performance is uniform and it's impossible for a drive to fail or shake loose due to a bad connector because there isn't one.

artk42 7mo ago

Haha, can't be said better. M1pro is so good. Literally the only Jobs legacy, every other thing except silicon and laptop engineering is mediocre to dead now.

api 7mo ago

I have an M1 Max. Splurged a little. It continues to be able to do huge builds and run mid tier open weights AI models at usable speed. This does look like a nice machine though. I’ll probably wait for the M6 Max. If/when RAM comes down they might stuff 192 or 256 gigs in one, which would make it able to run larger tier open weights models. 128 is kind of an uncanny valley for models. Bigger than you need for the mid tier and too small for the huge ones.

leokennis 7mo ago

I have a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM - for development work, there is 0 reason to upgrade it. All day battery, silent, small, no lag...

amelius 7mo ago

> Apple: If you document the hardware enough for the Asahi team to deliver a polished Linux experiene, I'll buy one this year! They probably can't do that because of potential patent issues that might surface. Lawyers say no.

rileymat2 7mo ago
That’s highly unlikely, releasing the product counts as a public disclosure which would start the clock on filing.
- amelius 7mo ago
  You are thinking of the other direction. I'm talking about competitors like e.g. Intel/AMD/nVidia who could browse the documentation and find potential infringements. In fact what Apple's legal department forgot is that the Asahi team could enable just that.

robrtsql 7mo ago

The M1 is indeed too good. It seems like the best tool that Apple has to force users to upgrade is ending macOS support on it. I keep telling people that the best laptop value on the market right now is to buy a refurbished MacBook Pro M1/M2. I stand by that from a usability and performance standpoint, but I feel weird about recommending a laptop that could only get security updates for another 3 years.

lol_catz 7mo ago

the 16 inch m1 max likely runs quieter and cooler.

port11 6mo ago

> There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation… Of all the stupid things Apple has said lately, this is the most obtuse, pro-market-insulting nonsense. Intel-based Macs were knee-deep in issues Apple wasn’t fixing, and then along came the snappy and always-cool M1. That was the best time for customers to upgrade. The new Silicon generations can be quite good, but they’re not worlds ahead in anything. I’ll upgrade my M1 when Apple releases a macOS worthy of being used by its pro customers.