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Damn. If there was ever any doubt about why you should get off chrome, this seems to put an end to that.
by cabbageicefruit 2y ago
Damn. If there was ever any doubt about why you should get off chrome, this seems to put an end to that.
- JonChesterfield 2y agoShed a tear for the Firefox that could have been
- rectang 2y agoFirefox is still working great for me, and I intend to keep using it for the foreseeable future. I don't know what it might take for people to migrate away from Chrome en masse, but the alternative is there.
- nicce 2y agoMozilla is slowly turning to ad company too. Let's see what future brings us.
- delfinom 2y agoI mean...they have to fund operations somehow. There's no money in pure open source in today's society.
- yencabulator 2y agoMozilla has a lot of money, almost none of which is spent on Firefox/Servo. https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest...
- devrand 2y agoAnd the recent antitrust ruling against Google might see Mozilla lose like 80% of their revenue...
- squarefoot 2y agoA sane company would then give the boot to their overpaid CEO and hire back talented developers. https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5053290/mozilla-2023-annual-report-ceo-pay-skyrockets-while-firefox-marketshare-nosedives https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5053290/mozilla-2023-annual-...
- pndy 2y agoMozilla has a range of different priorities now and most of these do not revolve around the flagship project which Firefox should be. --- I remember reading news in 2005 saying that Mozilla has established its Corporation subsidiary - and I had a bad feelings about it at that time. And years later we can see the effects - what's the revenue, how browsers market share looks like. Now, every time I'm reading that project, foundation xyz is creating "for profit" branch, subsidiary I know that this most likely won't end well. Profits will go over users needs, wishes each time and those at the project will change as well. It's like a magic wand appears and turns open-minded contributors into some mindless corporate drones with an arrogant attitude. I want to still like Firefox but in last 14 years Mozilla managed to seriously deteriorate trust in its capabilities of handling their main product. And I also cannot fathom how they managed to screw up promotion of the browser and let Google dominate the market. That didn't happen overnight but Google at some point started to bundle their browser as "additional offer" in almost every software installer for Windows, while Mozilla did nothing similar.
- tristan957 2y agoLunduke is a known right wing propagandist. Engaging with any of his content is a waste of time.
- squarefoot 2y agoThanks for the information. I'm the last person who would spread right wing stuff, the link came from a search, however in this case the problem about the overpaid Mozilla CEO and developers being sacked is real and well known outside politically involved sites.
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- kitkat_new 2y agoI look forward to Verso https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41215727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41215727
- kevwil 2y agoFirefox is usually great for me, but with Chromium-based browsers having such a massive market share monopoly I do occasionally find a website that doesn't work properly on Firefox. But, I will stick with Firefox as long as possible.
- raybb 2y agoDo you have any recent examples? It's more often I see websites that claim they don't work with firefox but actually do if you change your user agent.
- EasyMark 2y agoYeah I keep hearing this but it never pans out, seems like in my experience a lot of people don’t know they might have to turn off an extension or two (ublock, built-in trackers, etc) to get a website to work.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoYouTube, FreshDesk, Google TV (sharing from Firefox)
- shiroiushi 2y agoHuh? I use YouTube all the time on Firefox and it's fine. Better than fine, really, thanks to the YouTube improvement extension I have loaded. Never heard of the other two though.
- 71bw 2y agoGoogle is essentially using A/B testing methods to slow it down for one group of FF users while keeping it absolutely fine for another. Funnily enough, I've been placed in this 'slowdown' group even though I am a Premium subscriber ever since it launched (post-Red renaming) and another channel on the same Google account has 0 issues in the same browser on the same PC etc.
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- JohnFen 2y agoI certainly do. That said, I struggle to find another browser that's any better and most are worse. So I accept Firefox as the lesser evil.
- Filligree 2y agoSafari. That's the only browser I really use.
- JohnFen 2y agoThat's not an option unless you're an Apple user, though.
- reaperducer 2y agoI can't say what it's like on Linux or Windows, but the Duck browser is pretty good. It's my second choice. On Macs and iOS, and iPadOS, it's clunkier than Safari, but less clunky than Firefox. Perhaps the Windows experience is similar.
- heraldgeezer 2y agoJust use Firefox... No need for more Chromeium forks.
- Timwi 2y agoWhat does “clunky” even mean in this context?
- kevwil 2y agoWith the massive tide of browsers converting to Chromium under the hood, I wonder how long Apple can hold out. Fingers crossed they keep allocating budget for it.
- shiroiushi 2y agoApple can hold out indefinitely. If a website doesn't work on Apple devices, that's not Apple's fault, according to legions of Apple users. And they're kinda right: there really are a lot of them, and they do tend to spend more money than other users, so websites that somehow manage to stupidly not work on Safari (presumably by using Chrome-only functionality and never testing) are potentially losing a lot of users and business. I'm not normally a fan of Apple at all, and I have no interest in using Safari myself, but here I am glad that they've so far refused to jump on the Chrome bandwagon: it's good for keeping the web standards-based so we don't have a repeat of the IE6 days.
- echelon 2y agoForget Firefox as a fix. Call your legislators and explain this Google Chrome funny business to them.
- radlad 2y agoWhy swim upstream?
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- heraldgeezer 2y agoFirefox Nightly just got official vertical tabs. It is also just as fast as Chrome now, subjectively just browsing around. No issues with Google services like Youtube (I'm an addict) I keep Chrome installed just in case, and Edge due to being on Windows.
- pbhjpbhj 2y agoFirefox already has "vertical tabs" * from the Tree Style Tabs addon. Why not just support that? * side tabs, I would say, the tab is a horizontal extension of the page, so they're horizontal tabs, right?
- 71bw 2y agoIt's a very clunky solution that falls apart the moment you turn on whatever Incognito was named in Firefox.
- heraldgeezer 2y agoVertical tabs addons have been a thing for years yes. But it is clunky and does not work as well as the native implementation. Also the notion that Mozilla should "just support that" lol This is a thing the devs of Firefox should make and implement.
- pbhjpbhj 2y agoSupporting working open source implementations of software that are already part of your ecosystem, lol, crazy, right. /s
- heraldgeezer 2y agoWhen have they supported an addon like that officially? They are making their own solution for vertical tabs. You are free to install addons. What is the issue? Don't just make these snipe driveby comments.
- kevwil 2y agoI'm concerned that if Google ever stopped paying Mozilla to be the default search engine in Firefox, Mozilla would not be able to afford continued development on Firefox.
- immibis 2y agoMozilla barely funds Firefox as is. All of its money is spent on other things.
- EasyMark 2y agoKind of wondering what you’re talking about here? Firefox still works great for me, did I miss something in the news? Is there some sort of big change coming down the pipeline?
- lolinder 2y agoNot OP, but Firefox didn't have to lose nearly all its market share to Chrome. Mozilla could have course corrected and righted the ship, but instead they got distracted on dozens of unrelated and often controversial projects and ended up burning most of their credibility. Mozilla is a husk of what it could have been, and that's hurt Firefox.
- gjm11 2y agoWhat, specifically, should they have done differently that would have made Firefox not lose most of its market share to Chrome, and how do you know it would have worked?
- lolinder 2y agoKeep Firefox in focus instead of losing sight of the browser and getting distracted on a million side projects, most of which had only a tangential relationship to the internet. Raise money to support the browser rather than to support politically divisive causes of the month. I can't say for sure it would have worked, but I know that what Mozilla actually did do was actively counterproductive.
- dingdingdang 2y agoLibreWolf is my only installed edition of Firefox, similar to Brave in place of Chrome.
- Aperocky 2y agoFirefox is working just fine for me, not sure why people seemed to think that it was a problem. I think Mozilla is poorly managed and feature may have been slow or "lagging behind". But for me the lack of those shiny new things might as well be a feature than a bug.
- pennybanks 2y agoright but at least google will tell you. brave a lot more shady and just wont say anything or let you opt out. many examples in the past. imagine if they were anywhere near a quarter of googles size it wouldnt be pretty imo.
- arktos_ 2y agothe only two browsers, Chrome and Brave
- pennybanks 2y agoi mean theres really only 2 relevant ones and the other one is because its owned by the most popular phone manufacture and is the only option. ofc we can use anything we want but in terms of real world relevance. and i guess the other one is forced by the most popular OS.
- malfist 2y agoThat doesn't make a bit of sense. There's plenty of browsers, there's chrome, brave, firefox, opera, edge and safari, those are the big ones. There's also a ton of spinoffs like ice weasel or that browser Kagi is developing that I can't remember the name of. Way more than just two chromium browsers in existence.
- bloopernova 2y agoOrion, based upon Safari. https://kagi.com/orion/ https://kagi.com/orion/
- dialup_sounds 2y agoVivaldi users: ::autistic screeching::
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- morkalork 2y agoNah, borking adblockers was the bridge too far. This is just salt in the wound.
- rachofsunshine 2y agoThey can have my uMatrix Firefox when they pry it from my cold, dead app list!
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