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Good. Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats. Platforms like AirBnB only put oil in the fire when it comes to housing crises.
by deutschepost 2y ago
Good. Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats.
Platforms like AirBnB only put oil in the fire when it comes to housing crises.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoHotels suck. I want a hotel with no staff. Thats airbnb
- enraged_camel 2y agoWell, you can always sleep in a tent!
- popcalc 2y ago[deleted]
- mattlondon 2y agoIs renting from the landlord precisely what the problem is? Middleman or not, it is an apartment that a normal local person can't use.
- popcalc 2y agoYou can't stop the free market. Once it's out of the bag, given a long enough time-frame without volatility (technological innovation/political turbulence/labor/etc.) it always returns to feudalism. Sand aggregates into the form of a pyramid in the absence of winds. So do societies.
- Nasrudith 2y agoFor the love of god, please learn what feudalism actually is. It isn't someone renting out land it is a government structured via a system of sworn allegiances.
- ebiester 2y agoThey knew. They didn't care. It ended up being a good deal for both groups.
- switch007 2y agoWell, hotels barely have any staff these days, thanks to cost cutting ;)
- deutschepost 2y agoIf people would just rent out their flats when they are not living there that would be fine. But people and corporations buy up housing and put them on Airbnb for above market prices. Suddenly you have no more place to live for the locals who have to work in the city. And a very high priced hotel room for the tourists.
- zamadatix 2y agoThe locals problem seems easy to follow but why do tourists continue picking the airbnb style offers if they are so over priced?
- alistairSH 2y agoOverpriced relative to a long-term rental in the same area. Airbnb is a nightly rate that competes with hotel pries. Long-term rentals are a monthly rate that is usually much less than the nightly rate of a hotel or Airbnb. Example: A hotel near my house is about ~$400/night. Or ~$12,000/month. Rent for a 1-bed apartment across the street is about $3000/month.
- anthonypasq 2y agohow is this functionally any different from a hotel? Do you complain that new hotel builds take housing away from locals, because presumably that hotel could have been residential housing instead?
- HDThoreaun 2y agoBuild more housing
- ghaff 2y agoAnd for me, I value predictability and the availability of staff if I need them. I've certainly stayed at many B&Bs that didn't have a 24-hour desk but, by and large, I'm looking to stay at places where I can count on things going smoothly.
- isaacremuant 2y agoGreat. Pick hotels. Why do you need to ban airbnbs? As a user of both the presence of airbnbs gives people a choice and sometimes one is clearly better than the other. Problem is those who don't use certain services love banning them and pretend they're fixing some unrelated problem.
- ghaff 2y agoI don't think I wrote anything about banning AirBnBs one way or the other. By and large, my feeling is communities/municipalities/etc. should have pretty wide latitude about regulations they enact. And if voters en masse don't like it they'll presumably elect someone to do what they want--though of course that takes time.
- distances 2y agoIt's the locals, not the tourists staying in hotels, that want to ban Airbnbs.
- devbent 2y agoBeing able to do laundry makes Airbnb worth it almost every time. If I have a multi leg journey I'll make sure every other stop is at an Airbnb with a washing machine.
- matwood 2y agoFor me, 2 nights or less then I look for a hotel. The reliability is important. But more nights, I prefer an AirBnB. I can cook meals, wash clothes, and it just feels more comfortable.
- jimbokun 2y agoNice kitchens, laundry machines in the apartment, comfortable living rooms, access to attached outdoor space, and accommodations for larger parties traveling together are very difficult for hotels to compete with.
- popcalc 2y agoAlternatively, the population practicing birth control could solve the crisis. Don't have kids if you don't own at least one home :)
- utensil4778 2y ago"Poor people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce, that will fix our problems"
- popcalc 2y agoYou're allowed to ruin your children's lives, no doubt about that.
- twixfel 2y agoBetter to be alive, though, than simply never born in order to protect airbnb, as you would prefer.
- dindobre 2y agoIt's not even poor people, in some "advanced economies" we're getting to a point where income means very little, and inheriting means a lot. I've only seen such a lack of empathy in teenagers or silver spoons.
- lostlogin 2y agoWho do you think is going to do the work every facet of your life requires?
- popcalc 2y agoGo to Kuwait, everyone, even commoners host their maids and cooks in their main residences. Maybe we'll see a mainstream return to these arrangements in the States.
- phyllistine 2y ago
- abdullahkhalids 2y agoIt's interesting hotels that feel like an AirBnB don't really exist. Even though the professional AirBnB hosts are doing all the functions that hotels do. Why not the reverse.
- switch007 2y agoAparthotels are fairly common. Then you gave the budget hotels with skeleton staff and almost no common areas and facilities What do you mean exactly by "feels like an Airbnb"?
- jfim 2y agoWhat do you mean by a hotel that feels like an Airbnb? If you want to stay at a place that has a kitchen, and multiple bedrooms, there are suite hotels (eg. Homewood suites) and extended stay hotels. If you want someone to host you, then a bed and breakfast is another type of accommodation.
- jupp0r 2y ago1. An actual kitchen that's good for cooking complex meals. This is great for family trips on holidays. 2. 3+ bedrooms. Good luck finding that in Hotels. 3. Things like private hot tubs or pools, BBQ in the backyard, etc are almost unheard of in hotels. 4. Laundry machines.
- Jaecen 2y agoIt's difficult to quantify. Perhaps it's something as intangible as a space optimized for _living_ (like an apartment) as opposed to a space optimized for _profit_ (like a hotel). Whatever the case, despite the existence of the options you list, Airbnb's are still popular. There's clearly some significant differentiator between them and an Airbnb.
- abdullahkhalids 2y agoIt's definitely the vibe. A lot of it is how the space is decorated. The random assortment of furniture and other stuff in an AirBnB contributes quite a lot to the atmosphere people are looking for. But there is a psychology to it that is, as you say, hard to pin dow. A hotel that has a random assortment of plates and cutlery in the kitchen (like my last AirBnB did) would feel cheap and tacky. The AirBnB didn't.
- mattrighetti 2y ago> Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats. What if we let people decide what they should/n't do with their own property instead?
- dakiol 2y agoThat’s not how it works. There are already some laws that don’t allow owners to do certain things in/with their property (for example, you cannot just convert your flat into a disco for obvious reasons).
- stfp 2y agoWell the people are deciding what they want to do with their own city. Individualism has its limits.
- thinkingtoilet 2y agoBecause we're adults that realize garbage dumps shouldn't be next to schools. And sometimes as society we make decisions that are good for the majority of people. I'm sure you'd love it if someone poisoned your ground water, but they did it by burying toxic materials on their property.
- mattrighetti 2y agoWhen Airbnb landlords won't rent to locals at all because it's not convenient enough for them do so what will you do for the good of the majority of the people? Forcefully seize their apartment because people need it?
- lnrd 2y agoThat's very hyperbolized. It's still convenient to them, just less profitable. If they have mortgages less profit is better than no profit in all scenarios. I knew an Airbnb host in Italy, he shared with me that by renting to tourist compared to the normal market prices to locals he would make 3 times more. It's a no brainer, but he would gladly accept 1/3 of that if the alternative is 0 (and he did during the pandemic when tourism stopped).
- isaacremuant 2y agoLol. They foreigners are buying homes like mad because there's no protection. This is a distraction for an easy target. It won't help and it will make the quality of hotels worse. It will also have a lot of under the table deals. But hey, instead of fixing the real problems, it's easy to attack things some people don't use. They do the same to electric bikes and scooters. Ban ban ban! Things will surely improve!
- zrn900 2y ago> Lol. They foreigners are buying homes like mad because there's no protection Yes and its a major problem. Some locations are already acting out. https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/portugal-ends-golden-visas-curtails-airbnb-rentals-address-housing-crisis-2023-02-16 https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/portugal-ends-golden-... > This is a distraction for an easy target. It won't help and it will make the quality of hotels worse. Its not a distraction - its just a start. And hotel quality is still what it was before Airbnb and it will stay like that after airbnb goes away. The standards that national and international tourism institutions apply to the hotels has not changed one iota because of airbnb. > But hey, instead of fixing the real problems This is the real problem. https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-up-with-mass-tourism-barcelona-locals-say-039tourists-go-home039 https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-u...
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