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Doomscroller.xyz
- hbogert 2y agobrings back memories of my ipod which i never had.
- ciwolsey 2y agoSite doesn't even work on Android.
- ffsm8 2y agoIt's not responsive, but it does work. You just need to first click on the scroller element and then you can start dragging it. And start by dragging up, not down. Otherwise the refresh might override the interaction
- jerzmacow 2y agoThis is really neat, I wonder how hard it would be to retool for Android camera controls. There's an accessory for the iPhone to get physical camera controls, but it's thicc
- blfr 2y agoAmazing. I'm glad you don't ship outside of the US 'cause I would be insanely tempted to buy this completely superfluous gadget. Love everything about it, from the idea and its negative utility to design and materials. Are there any details available? Dimensions, charging, etc? Actually, this can be used as a presentation clicker, right? There you go, business expense.
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- enderfusion 2y agoI looked at my site analytics and realized this is where it was coming from :-o I should turn on international shipment, but Stripe doesn't support auto calculate rates. CNC machined from aluminum. USB C. I did test it with powerpoint just now, works!
- enderfusion 2y agoInternational turned on
- throwup238 2y ago>> I'm glad you don't ship outside of the US 'cause I would be insanely tempted to buy this completely superfluous gadget. > International turned on Best HN troll ever :-)
- redbell 2y agoAre you the author? I noticed you've been adding additional information in response to many comments, which led me to believe you might be the creator of this doomscroller. However, I didn't see any mention of you being the author. Typically, on Hacker News, when the original poster is not the author and the author discovers that one of their works is trending, they promptly join the discussion, usually starting with "author here.." This isn't a strict rule but more of a best practice or convention. Anyway, excellent work!
- enderfusion 2y agoGood to know, I'm new here!
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
- daemoens 2y agoIt does ship internationally now.
- oooyay 2y agoI really like imagining how people of the future (like hundreds of years in the future) looking at our current culture and technology will try to interpret things that I seem to get without thinking. Like, if they dug up my home and found this thing sitting in a drawer what kind of wild theories would they come up before they eventually realized, "This human valued something that actually did less than nothing."
- loneboat 2y agoIf that concept amuses you, you should check out this book: https://www.amazon.com/Motel-Mysteries-David-Macaulay/dp/0395284252 https://www.amazon.com/Motel-Mysteries-David-Macaulay/dp/039...
- VitoVan 2y agoThis is a really good book, thank you.
- themoonisachees 2y agoI mean, usually when archeologists don't understand a device they just end up chucking it in the "religious device" bin. Not that would exactly be wrong here, but you know.
- oooyay 2y agoThis honestly made me chuckle even more, thanks for that.
- pwdisswordfishc 2y agoBut does it actually run Doom?
- WaxProlix 2y agoSince it looks to be built on the ESP32 platform, the answer is likely yes (but you'd need a display...) https://github.com/espressif/esp32-doom https://github.com/espressif/esp32-doom I think actually there are a couple of DOOM ports for the platform.
- Nevermark 2y agoYou could pan through an epic Doom game video capture? If you like deterministic games.
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- pogue 2y agoI don't get it. What's it do?
- ataru 2y agoOn the website there is a demo, when you spin the wheel, it scrolls a screen on the right. The demo may be blocked by an adblocker.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoOh, the demo doesn't load with uBlock Origin.
- jakjak123 2y agoAh, yes the demo is blocked by uOrigin
- huvarda 2y agoit just constantly scrolls down on your screen, its a gag product
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- high_priest 2y agoIt did load for me, but didn't scroll. So, my reaction was "What do I need a giant spinning knob for? It could be a fan at least"
- marcodiego 2y agoI'd love if my cellphone had a lateral button like old portable radios had to adjust the volume but with the sole purpose of scrolling. Scrolling on the screen is annoying, my finger covers the content and I must be careful not to click something. I really can't believe I'm the only one desiring such a thing.
- Nevermark 2y agoA touch sensitive side would be great for thumb scrolling. With software detection of coherent scroll sliding, filtering out grip holds, bumps, and other irrelevant activity. But noooo! Apple stuck a touch sensitive screen on a keyboard! No justice.
- jh00ker 2y agoMy samsung phone has the fingerprint scanner in the side power button (the only location that makes sense, IMHO). Software should be able to read gestures from this same sensor, no? edit: Sorry, thinking out loud. A quick Google search confirms that my phone already has this feature in settings. Unfortunately, the gesture is mapped to showing/hiding the notification panel, instead of screen scrolling.
- janlukacs 2y agoyou're welcome: https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_sony_ericsson_p910-news-50388.php https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_sony_ericsson_p910-news-5... lateral scroll wheel. awesome phone: https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/news/21/08/sony-ericsson-p910-flashback/-1200w5/gsmarena_005.jpg https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/news/21/08/sony-ericsson-p9...
- lxgr 2y agoSony had these on their Clié (Palm OS) devices as well. I’ve only ever had first-party Palm handhelds, but the scroll wheel (Sony had some nifty name which is eluding me) always seemed very appealing for single-handed use.
- hsavit1 2y agohave you raised any capital for this project? i think a lot of incubators could be interested in helping you enshittify this idea.
- enderfusion 2y agoAnd end up like Humane? No thanks! It's at optimal shittiness levels currently.
- jrflowers 2y agoProduct needs the ability to brick itself if a subscription to the scrolling service expires
- enderfusion 2y agoThe whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks to put together.
- Max-q 2y agoIs it legal to sell a device with radio in the US without FCC certification? In the EU it's illegal to sell without external certification if the product is a medical device, is made for children or contains a radio. Certification will typically cost you $5,000-$15,000 depending on which lab you use.
- littlestymaar 2y agoHow does that works if you're just reusing off the shelf bluetooth component? (that's likely already certified)
- enderfusion 2y agoOff the shelf radio module, ain't nobody got time for certs.
- fbdab103 2y agoI know a few doom scrollers for whom this would be incredibly tempting. The video looked like it requires a lot of rotations per screen tick. Can that be adjusted? Now I am wondering if you can connect a bluetooth mouse to a phone to achieve the same effect, albeit in a less convenient package.
- Nevermark 2y agoTempting. But the addition of an upper/downer mash-safe minimal-profile/motion post-to-post navigating trigger pair would be a deal maker.
- Nevermark 2y agoEvery band of builders in a garage needs a variety of classes, but at least one Doomscroller. While everyone else's attention is down, in, focused, the Doomscroller looks outward. They are the teams eyes and ears, continuously maintaining the indespensible information grounding signal. A streaming infinite scrolling HTML connection to the garage, from the real world.
- lelandfe 2y ago,” said Load Letter, finally looking up from their plughack console.
- _mlbt 2y ago> Only works with Android/PC. Sorry iOS If this was implemented as a Bluetooth mouse with just a scroll wheel, wouldn’t you get support on all recent operating systems for free?
- enderfusion 2y agoI thought that when I started this thing. Turns out, every device implements slightly different flavors of USB-HID in their drivers. It's a complete shitshow under the hood. I'm trying to get iOS working, but it's so opaque compared to Android. I have achieved limited functionality with iOS, but it's not the buttery smooth action I can get on PC or Android. https://x.com/andrewmccalip/status/1781674889679982991 https://x.com/andrewmccalip/status/1781674889679982991
- outofpaper 2y agoJust clone the scroll messaging from any old generic that works already. MiM for the easy win.
- paulmd 2y agoA lot of generics (and name brands!) really don’t work right though. Scroll wheel is a mess in macOS. Logi ergo scroll wheel doesn’t work. ProtoArc M01 works for a bit then stops working after a few minutes. Logi M575 works flawlessly.
- SushiHippie 2y agoFrom his twitter: (I'll copy and paste the text here, as I don't know how much you see of this text logged out) > Why couldn’t I just emulate a standard mouse and scroll smoothly? Sounds easy. Unfortunately there is a holdover from two decades ago in the way mouse drivers are written into USB. Because mice used to use low resolution encoders, a single “detent” event would be about 22.5 degrees. Hard coded into the kernel level of Android and Windows is the instruction to interrupt this single detent as a 40 pixel scroll for generic devices. This is what results in the chunky style scrolling on a PC. > Only recently have specialty devices like the Logitech mice used custom drivers to bypass this and offer high resolution single pixel scrolling instructions. Unfortunately these drivers were not rolled into the Android kernel, so even when I sniffed the BLE traffic with Wireshark and impersonated a Logitech device, I wouldn’t get that silky smooth scrolling on mobile. No go. > The slightly hacky workaround was to go one level deeper than the standard Arduino libraries. > A quick description of how USB devices work. HID stands for Human Interface Device and is a protocol implemented over USB protocol. HID devices do advertise their capabilities through the HID report descriptor, a fixed set of bytes describing exactly what HID reports may be sent between the device and the host and the meaning of each individual bit in those reports. For example, a HID Report Descriptor may specify that “in a report with ID 3 the bits from 8 to 15 is the delta x coordinate of a mouse”. The HID report itself then merely carries the actual data values without any extra meta information. > My goal was to use a customized descriptor to send the byte package of a one finger touchpad with absolutely coordinate system and 1 button to the host. This way I could perform the digital emulation of a finger making contact with the screen, performing a Y axis movement while remaining in contact, and then lifting off the screen before reaching the top. This movement would have to be repeated hundreds of times seamlessly to provide the illusion of smooth scrolling. > Additional complications arose from the fact that Bluetooth low energy has a minimum latency of 8milliseconds, with most hosts negotiating an even slower rate such as 20 milliseconds. Simply blasting commands at a few hundred hertz doesn’t work. > The internet is filled with unanswered forum questions about how to do all of this. I think I’m probably the first one to achieve a working implementation of this particular smooth scrolling solution. This single problem occupied much time than the rest of the project combined. No doubt that Logitech or Apply could achieve a more elegant solution. My hope is that a big company takes interest in Doomscroller takes it off my hands. https://x.com/andrewmccalip/status/1781674889679982991 https://x.com/andrewmccalip/status/1781674889679982991
- SeanAnderson 2y agoI hate it. I love it. I've been thinking of removing the scroll wheel from my media PC's mouse to make doom scrolling harder. Love to see the innovation in going hard the other direction.
- enderfusion 2y agoYou're meant to hate it. It's dumb. I'm actively making the world a worse place by the invention of it.
- buzer 2y agoHonestly, I'm a bit tempted. I read quite a bit on my laptop while lying down and my arms are always in a bit of awkward position in order to scroll. I have been thinking of getting one of those presenter tools. The only downsides are price & lack of click.
- eimrine 2y agoWhy the hell do you need a click while lying down and reading? If you needs a device which scrolls and clicks you already have a mouse. Think about those who reads in transport, if you will take a BT mouse that there are high chances that some unwanted clicks will happen all the time.
- roblh 2y agoI love it. I think it would be even funnier if you made it only scroll in one direction (downwards) to remove any possible semblance of being useful.
- enderfusion 2y agoTempting. never_look_back.bin firmware?
- flemhans 2y agoA hardware limit would be more funny even
- bagels 2y agoA loud audible ratchet mechanism. Just to add to the annoyance.
- teaearlgraycold 2y agoA ratchet that physically prevents reversing, but still have the firmware support reverse scrolling. I love the idea of a digital product that if broken in just the right way behaves as expected given intuition from the physical world.
- Loughla 2y agoOh God that's delicious. I just love the idea of physical limitations to software options. So often it's the other way around. I can physically see the path or even map a solution but the software doesn't help. This is the opposite of that. I love that entirely.
- teaearlgraycold 2y agoThere’s a lot to do with the general idea. I’ve enjoyed thinking about a garage door opener that uses 4G to open your garage door from anywhere in the world. Technically correct but worse than before!
- lifedayx 2y agoThis was brilliant, I played with it longer than I really should have
- tudorw 2y agoSurface Dial's mutant cousin.
- enderfusion 2y agoI'm using Dial's PC drivers :)
- tudorw 2y agoI love my dial, how about a gear stick style one where you can push forward and back for your next project :)
- 3PS 2y agoJoke or not, this could be a pretty ergonomic way to read long form content. Currently I rebind my mouse side buttons to page up/down which serves much the same purpose, since scrolling endlessly on a mouse doesn't feel great for your hands.
- cchi_co 2y ago[dead]
- p0w3n3d 2y agoOne of the best UIs I've ever used was on Sony phone with a scroller-button. Scroller was to choose the option and button underneath (you pushed the scroller) was to select. Very fast, easy to learn and usable.
- enderfusion 2y agoSame story with original ipod. Hugely underrated interface.
- rossant 2y agoI agree, I still miss it 20 years later.
- nsagent 2y agothe site just needs some subdomains, like https://ai.doomscroller.xyz https://ai.doomscroller.xyz for an extra bit of charm
- genewitch 2y agoabc.doomscroller.xyz
- geor9e 2y agoThere's plenty of wireless standalone scroll knobs out there if this sounds like your cup of tea https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Wireless-Control-Pod-Customization/dp/B0CHLBQLM8/ https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Wireless-Control-Pod-Customizat...
- enderfusion 2y agoThat looks way better for PC, didn't know that existed.
- geor9e 2y agoYeah, there are some neat PC input devices outside of keyboard and mouse. Since I do a lot of 3D work I use a 6 axis knob in my left hand while I drag my mouse with my right https://www.amazon.com/3Dconnexion-3DX-700059-Spacemouse-Compact-Mouse/dp/B079V4PXYD/ https://www.amazon.com/3Dconnexion-3DX-700059-Spacemouse-Com...
- password4321 2y agoAnother was discontinued in 2018: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_PowerMate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_PowerMate
- Aspos 2y agoGot myself USB pedals on Amazon specifically for Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V and quickly got addicted.
- urda 2y agoWhich pedals did you get?
- fatbird 2y agoNeeds knurling.
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- smusamashah 2y agoAdd a number lcd displaying how many miles you have scrolled so far
- megalottachoc 2y agoRead my mind. That would be an awesome idea, as well as calories/kilojoules burnt and/or brain cells destroyed.
- pier25 2y agoHonestly I've always wanted something like this for reading ebooks. After many iterations (and neck injuries) I've found the best position for me is simply laying horizontally with a normal sleeping pillow. Then using a stand with an arm to hold the device at the perfect position/distance (I use progressive glasses). Typically I only lift my arm to scroll to the next page. But sometimes I skim sections of technical books and keep my arm lifted to move quickly. Holding the arm up for 5-10 minutes becomes annoying.
- justsomehnguy 2y agoJust use a BT mouse. Edit: or BT ... scroll: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40099700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40099700
- pier25 2y agoThanks. Great tip for iPads but probably doesn't work with Kindle devices.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoBought for partner and their Kindle. Recommend. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08T8CZYF3 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08T8CZYF3 (no affiliation)
- pier25 2y agoFascinating! Any idea how do these work?
- toomuchtodo 2y agoSimulates capacitive touch. https://patents.google.com/patent/US10310677B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10310677B2/en
- alanbernstein 2y ago
- rishikeshs 2y agoIf somebody could invent something like this to turn my kindle pages
- cchi_co 2y ago[dead]
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoPeople talking about old Blackberry and other phone/handhelds that had scroll wheels.... was reminded of the more recent Rabbit R1 device "analog scroll wheel" https://www.rabbit.tech/rabbit-r1 https://www.rabbit.tech/rabbit-r1
- carterschonwald 2y agoI actually have a working prototype or two plus some cad for making a clicky scroll wheel using those chunky cnc Dials, is there a market for that? (The haptics of a cnc dial make it really nice for jumping around really long documents ) Edit: I’ve got usb c and usb a versions, I mean stuff like https://images.app.goo.gl/7t7SCs945yyxinsM8 https://images.app.goo.gl/7t7SCs945yyxinsM8 when I say dial. Still messing around with what sorts of enclosure etc for the overall device
- julieturner99 2y agoShould be paired with the OG Doomscroller: https://endlessdoomscroller.com https://endlessdoomscroller.com
- eimrine 2y agoI would like to buy a device but seems like Stripe does not send it to Ukraine.
- EmilioMartinez 2y agoAmazing product. I'm a bit dissapointed though at the lack of scrolling possibilities in the website.
- maxglute 2y agoWhy is this a knob and not a scroll wheel. Protip, there's $10 "VR" controllers thats basically an analogue stick with a ring finger hole that does this already, in more ergonic way.