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Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10
- snitzr 2y agoWhat do people even really do on their work computers? Just email? Powerpoint?
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- dboreham 2y agoWhat?
- Enginerrrd 2y agoCAD with heavy 3D modeling, GIS processing, hydrology/hydraulics calculations, word processing, reading and jumping through 1000+ page PDFs, spreadsheet models, emails, video conferencing, screen sharing, and all of the above at basically the same time by necessity. So... Depends. In my case: a lot.
- damiankennedy 2y agoI use mine to get banned from reddit.
- slowmotiony 2y agoSometimes I also use Excel
- justusthane 2y agoWhatever their job is, probably.
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- anoncow 2y agoWhy for Business? Can consumers not buy the Surface laptop anymore?
- denistaran 2y agoBased on a blog I read, Microsoft intends to launch these laptops for consumers at a later date, post their initial business-focused release.
- anoncow 2y agoInteresting strategy. Thanks. I think it risks decreasing the impact of the launch.
- 8K832d7tNmiQ 2y agoThe latest Surface Go 4 still sold only for business for 6 months begs to differ.
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- 7thaccount 2y ago"These new PCs represent a major step forward in customer-focused design and are packed with features that business customers have been requesting – from amazing performance and battery life to more ports, better security and custom, durable anti-reflective displays." Not sure if only sold to businesses or what. It seems like Surface is a brand name synonymous with home consumers and they're trying to target business users, so they've added some necessary ports and did a bunch of marketing saying this is all "AI" focused, which seems to mean it'll have some annoying software that I hate like an intrusive thing in Excel to automatically make a chart out of my table when they pretty much already have that.
- dboreham 2y agoIt's some MS channel/Conway thing. They have long had a different web site for "business" and sold models (e.g. the Surface Go with LTE) that were only available to "business" customers. Actually, Dell had the same thing going on until recently.
- kd913 2y agoYawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confused to what shady backroom deal is going on but it seems rather silly for Microsoft/Surface. They can't compete because they don't have the most performant per watt, nor battery efficiency. They used to have AMD ones, and we know they work with them for other tech a la xbox, azure, etc... so what is up with the surface line getting this exclusivity?
- greenknight 2y ago> Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confused to what shady backroom deal is going on but it seems rather pointless for both parties. Probably massive kickbacks or massive discounts. Just remember, Intel put out this graphic when Zen was just released -- https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Intel-vs-AMD.png https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Intel-vs...
- dboreham 2y agoThey make ARM surfaces.
- bitwize 2y agoYeah... shitty ones. Microsoft just doesn't have the will to make top-performing mobile gear. Or the oxygen in that space has been sucked out by Apple.
- infinityplus1 2y agoSnapdragon X surfaces will launch in near future as well. Hope they are more competitive with Macbooks.
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- jahlove 2y agoBought a Surface Pro in 2013. After a few years the battery stopped charging. It is for all intents impossible to replace. Now I buy Thinkpads.
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- hnburnsy 2y agoFor what it is worth... >Most newer Surface devices are designed to facilitate the repair or replacement of primary components like the solid-state drive (SSD), keyboard, or display. With the purchase of a new commercial Surface for Business device, you can maximize your investment with services and repair1 options. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/surface-service-and-repair https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/surface-service-an...
- 8K832d7tNmiQ 2y agoTo be fair, the Surface we know for its 0/10 repairability 10 years ago is vastly different compared to today. Heck, they even post an official repair guide as far as Surface Pro 7+ on Youtube[0]. [0]:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNA-j_cL4mURqC1MFKHV-_ju-BOSPPhne https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNA-j_cL4mURqC1MFKHV-...
- mvdtnz 2y agoThanks for letting us know about a computer you bought 11 years ago. Very relevant and useful information.
- cpuguy83 2y agoI've had to replace the charger on my kid's surface pro 3 times now in 3 years.
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- e44858 2y agoTablet CPU is Intel Core Ultra 7 165U, which should perform similar to an M1 Pro: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-7-165U-vs-Apple-M1-Pro-8-Core-3200-MHz https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-...
- underlogic 2y ago[flagged]
- e44858 2y agoHas great linux support though: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics "Since Intel provides and supports open source drivers, Intel graphics are essentially plug-and-play." Apple silicon does not officially support Linux, it depends entirely on volunteers reverse engineering things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
- jeffbee 2y agoThe way normal rational people buy computers is as follows. First they decide what they want to do, then they choose applications that do those things. Then they choose an operating system that can host the application. Finally they choose a hardware platform that runs both the operating system and the application. Under this process, few users face a choice between a Mac and a Surface.
- underlogic 2y ago[flagged]
- hulitu 2y ago> If an application is windows only I won't use it. Most of us (non SW engineers) do not have this choice.
- mythz 2y agoGood build quality but unreliable. Bought a Surface, used it rarely, tried to pass it on to my eldest but it refused to start within 12 months.
- dannyw 2y agoI can confirm. I’ve had two surfaces and both have had serious failures about 1-2 years into medium usage with no physical damage. Meanwhile, all my Thinkpads and MacBooks still work today.
- octagonal 2y agoI'm still waiting on my current, 60 hours of use a week, mid-2019 MacBook Pro to die or have any sort of malfunction so I can justify buying a new one. Its battery life has seen better days but that's basically it.
- bbkane 2y agoWe had similar experiences with my wife's Surface and her brother's Surface
- hnburnsy 2y agoIf you havent try holding the start button for 30-60 seconds, seems like I have to do this for my surface go and surface laptop once every 6 months.
- alisonatwork 2y agoOther anecdote, I cycle-toured for a year camping in all kind of uncomfortable places, and my Surface Pro 7 survived. The screen is cracked in a million places from getting smashed around with all my other kit, but it still works. The Type Cover is a bit crap, though. After going through one of them while on the road (PowerToys Keyboard Manager is your friend) now I've been living in an apartment with a roof and everything, and another one died from what I can only assume to be humidity. I gave up and switched to a cheap bluetooth keyboard instead, which kinda feels more cool and futuristic anyway.
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- AraceliHarker 2y agoThe so-called "AI PC" is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. It has no new features, just a Copilot button on the keyboard and the same background editing function for web conferences that has been available for a long time.
- delfinom 2y agoWelcome to 2024, everyone is marketing "AI" something something with their products. I've seen power tools with "AI" slapped onto the marketing.
- sp332 2y agoAnd with the $10B they sank into OpenAI, I don’t expect anything local from a Microsoft product anytime soon.
- codeulike 2y agohttps://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/introducing-neural-processor-unit-npu-support-in-directml-developer-preview/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/introducing-neural-pr... DirectML is a low-level API that provides a common abstraction layer for hardware vendors to expose their machine learning accelerators. DirectML works with any DirectX 12-compatible device including GPUs and now NPUs. Support for Intel Core Ultra processors with Intel AI Boost was developed in close collaboration with Intel.
- makeitdouble 2y agoSo the headphone jack is definitely gone, and we're stuck at 2 usb ports. That was the situation brought with the Surface Pro 9 already, but I wish they did something to aleviate either of these. It feels like the only decent upgrade from a Surface Pro 8 will be an Asus Z13 ?
- sharno 2y agoWhy this non-sense in pricing? - 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD is $1200 - 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD is $1500 This is much worse than Apple, and I thought MSFT was more sensible than that!
- ankurdhama 2y agoApple charges $200 more for 8GB to 16GB RAM. The new surface laptop is charging $300 to go from 8GB to 16GB :) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/configure/Surface-Laptop-6-for-Business/8pz3fvs57qcv?crosssellid=&selectedColor=86888a https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/configure/Surface-Lapt...
- e44858 2y agoAt least the SSD is not soldered down.
- ankurdhama 2y agoYup and looks like SSD upgrade from 256 to 512 is just $100.
- hulitu 2y agoI paid 30 € for a 512GB SSD.
- lotsofpulp 2y agoAre SSD’s fungible? I thought there were varying qualities.
- dghlsakjg 2y agoThey are not fungible. Read/write speed, durability, and power efficiency are all variable.
- sdflhasjd 2y agoThey aren't fungible, but even for a high-end 512GB SSD, $200 is rip-off pricing. In fact, a top-end SSD range won't even offer 512 sizes because aside from not really being worth it, transfer-rate performance is lower with smaller chips.
- ekianjo 2y agois there something actually AI related hardware wise or is everyone just jumping on the buzzword train to sell their PCs nowadays?
- factsaresacred 2y agoMicrosoft continue to ship their Surface laptops with over-sized power bricks, which is enough to disqualify them. Similar spec Samsung laptops (Galaxy Books) come with a regular USB-C cable and a fast charging power adapter that looks like any other plug. Anybody know why Samsung can do this and Microsoft can't? Only having to lug around a single cable and charger for all devices is a dealbreaker.
- hulitu 2y ago> Anybody know why Samsung can do this and Microsoft can't? Samsung makes also HW. /s
- diffeomorphism 2y agoFor the same reason as apple. They want you to use "surface connect" or "magsafe" instead. Of course, you can just throw that away and charge by the usb c port instead, so I am a bit confused how that disqualifies anything.
- tetrisgm 2y agoI liked it when their wonderful hardware design team tried really daring things with their form factors. The Studio giant screen you can tilt and draw on. The Surface Book that has the tilting screen. The one with the detachable screen. The Surface Duo and Neo.
- KingOfCoders 2y agoI'll keep my old Surface for now. The next real change will bei AMD Strix with a good integrated GPU or Intels Arrow Lake which should draw much less power than the current generation. If possible with on-die memory for performance and less power usage.
- nsonha 2y agoI'm still waiting to this idiotic unlappable design trend to pass and some company to come up with a 2-piece convertible similar to the original surface book.
- farawayea 2y agoThis is the same company which puts ads all over the OS, can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things. Their hardware is more or less garbage. My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. It had other issues before the battery killed it. Why would people give money to Microsoft for such bad hardware? They treat their customers like garbage.
- hulitu 2y ago> Why would people give money to Microsoft for such bad hardware? They treat their customers like garbage. Education, workplace policy. Managers _love_ Microsoft.
- pid-1 2y agoOffice and Active Directory (and related stuff)
- delfinom 2y ago>My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. Statistically, all devices suffer from swollen batteries. I've even see iPhones and iPads die from swollen batteries. There's a certain tiny % fallout in manufacturing of battery cells where they may degrade and fail prematurely and swelling is a safety feature.
- vsnf 2y agoI had two surfaces die from swollen batteries. The problem was frequent enough that Microsoft Store staff (rip) would exchange it immediately, no questions asked. This was back during the Surface Book 1 days. I’ve been a happy surface user ever since, and haven’t had any other battery or build quality issues since.
- wtallis 2y agoEventually, almost all LiPo batteries will puff up. But there are definitely some devices that reliably cause this problem far sooner than it should occurr, due to poor charge management and thermal management.
- tomato45un 2y agoI don't think people will buy Surface Laptop 6, the premium price make me looks to lenovo or Asus brand
- probably_satan 2y agoHad one surface from an employer, had to swap it out with a Mac because it was literally the worst machine I've ever used.
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- iinnPP 2y agoWhen I purchased a laptop last year I went with MSI: 32GB RAM 1TB SSD 4080 12GB 3 USBC 2 USB3.2 $2100 CAD. My only complaint was Windows 11 which was immediately rectified. Though not before having a full screen Xbox Live ad that couldn't be closed through any means. Since removing MS the laptop functions perfectly, runs models locally without any fuss and powers any game I want at 4k60hz or 3k144hz(1440p). What is the reason for the high pricing of Surface models?
- iknowstuff 2y agoWith all due respect, the difference in looks between the Surfaces and your laptop is justification enough. I mean this sincerely. People are willing to pay for good design.
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- nipperkinfeet 2y agoWithout a headphone jack, this device is an automatic no-buy.
- vrinsd 2y agoSadly, this is more of MSFT's "we can do what Apple does too!". For a "business" oriented portable why is it so limited on ports? No wired Ethernet? As many others have pointed out, why are the 3D graphics so hobbled? People use laptops for CAD, visualizations and these days GPUs perform offload of a lot of other functions. I saw someone "crap" on Dell and Lenovo but honestly I think most of the Lattitude laptops have really good build quality, decent availbility of parts and good longevity. Lenovo X1 Carbons are far from perfect but they're pretty solid machines and still offer wired Ethernet (albiet via a breakout dongle) and a decent amount of ports. Linux works pretty decently here too. I never understood what the value add of MSFT's Surface family was/is, supposedly a "first party" portable with Windows with the same quality and engineering as an Apple product but if you look at HOW they go about it they seem to keep missing the point. If you go to Wikipedia and punch in 'Surface' you'll see some crazy big table of devices they've churned out, all with varying degrees of issues. I have a Surface Pro 2 which runs Debian Linux quite well (like another poster pointed out) so that's cool but it's has a lot of oddities that wouldn't be acceptable had the machine not been free. Lenovo made an X1 Tablet family that's fanless and is honestly pretty compelling if you need a fanless, "tablet-like" PC that runs Windows. I use mine as a car diagnostics computer and the car software needs Windows. If I were writing the specs for a "business computer" it'd include being fanless, excellent battery life, plethora of ports incl. legacy USB-A, light-weight and durable. I doubt any Surface will meet that. Apple MBPs and Apple Airs BTW do NOT meet these criteria either, lack of ports, chunkier / heavier on the MBP line, can't do dual-displays on the Air, macOS really needing 16GB but Apple charging a crazy tax for 16GB+ of RAM, etc.