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Tesla Cybertruck owners who drove 10k miles say range is 164 to 206 miles
- HKH2 3y ago10k miles... When you love round numbers but somehow still can't stomach the metric system.
- kevinventullo 3y agoWith all this being said, however, there are quite a few positives, the biggest of which is the “beyond great” sound system. Brutal.
- pdabbadabba 3y agoWell, that wasn't the end of the sentence. They also mentioned "the car is 'a dream to drive.'” Seems relevant and quite a bit less brutal.
- cheonic7392 3y ago> Well, that wasn't the end of the sentence. They also mentioned "the car is 'a dream to drive.'” Seems relevant and quite a bit less brutal. Many Tesla owners are coming from Toyota or BMW 3 series. So Tesla owners’ bar for “dream to drive” is very low.
- ralfd 3y agoThe reviews of the Cybertruck on release said that it feels like driving a car, not like a truck. I think that is meant with it. Why don’t you like BMW 3?
- _ea1k 3y agoThe 3 series may not be what it used to be, but it is still a great car. I'd take one over most of the commuters that I see on the road.
- reactordev 3y agoDreaming of going farther than 200mi? Seems like a sensible dream. 400-500mi I can understand. My gas truck goes about that far. But <200mi is a joke…
- ricardobeat 3y agoThe real joke is choosing a 3-ton pickup truck for a road trip.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoYou are kidding right? There are tons of needs for trucks over long distances. Case in point: I know of a Minnesotan business with South Dakotan vendors. A trip is only needed once a month. That’s a “road trip”? The real joke is people who have never used or needed a truck passing judgement on truck owners.
- rglullis 3y agoBasing your justification on the exceptional case instead of the general rule does not make for a good argument. Also, anyone with a modicum of sense could see that it would be better to just rent a truck if you only need one for monthly trips.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoIt is a good argument when that exceptional case is literally the reason people buy trucks. You’re telling me a truck buyer won’t have, even once, a case where he actually needs it? It’s the same reason people buy insurance. I’m sure you won’t tell me, “99% of people buying health insurance at 25 years old don’t file claims, so it’s a complete waste of money. A stupid first world luxury, even.” > Also, anyone with a modicum of sense could see that it would be better to just rent a truck if you only need one for monthly trips. At that kind of wear and tear? Not necessarily, especially with tax advantages for depreciation. Also, this reeks of the spirit of “you’ll own nothing and be happy.”
- kevinventullo 3y agoWell, actually, that was the end of the sentence. In fact the “dream” sentence you quote occurs two paragraphs later!
- robertlagrant 3y ago> The cooled seats, passenger visibility, handling characteristics, acceleration, speed, and steer-by-wire system were also appreciated ... All in all, the Cybertruck is “a dream to drive” I feel like the claim that the sound was the best thing about it is slightly negative editorialising. It sounds pretty cool, except for range, charging time, bay needs better waterproofing, and road noise. Those all seem improvable.
- patates 3y agoI'm not sure you can improve the range without an aerodynamic redesign and/or bigger batteries which would cost a lot.
- roland35 3y agoI'm sure there are some incremental improvements which could be made, but as you said this thing overall is a flying heavy brick and so overall there's only so much you could do.
- whamlastxmas 3y agoThe aero is actually quite good
- jonfw 3y agoRange and road noise both seem like major aerodynamic limitations
- _ea1k 3y agoThe batteries being used really aren't the best in terms of energy density. It wouldn't surprise me if they get 5-10% improvement by the same time early next year, without adding additional cells or significant cost.
- snovv_crash 3y agoThe majority of the miles were highway miles, so for a big boxy vehicle this is expected IMO.
- scottLobster 3y agoCan't speak for everyone, but my expectation was bigger car = bigger battery = longer range. If aerodynamics are that much of a factor, then electric pickup trucks are doomed to be rich people toys until we get better batteries.
- AYBABTME 3y agoIf you do the math for power to maintain a given speed, you'll see an exponential curve. Air drag starts to dominate the energy budget very quickly. Anything you can do to minimize drag (don't carry aftermarket accessories, follow cars) will help tremendously.
- rtkwe 3y agoHighway miles are generally the most efficient miles for a vehicle because there's less energy wasted in slowing and speed changes, at least for gasoline cars though I imagine the same factors are present in electric vehicles minus maybe the braking losses since they can use regenerative braking. Is that alone enough to make city more efficient for electric vehicles? edit: Just judging from my own observations (and the EPA estimated differences) I get way better mpg when I take long drives on the highway cruising at 65-70 than I do on periods with mostly city driving. I keep track when I fill up as a check against the car's slightly wonky mpg calculation and it's a difference of 5ish mpg more for highway like the EPA estimates suggest.
- scottLobster 3y agoNot the case for electric. Batteries are heavy, and it takes more current to maintain a faster speed than a slower speed. Plus as you point out you don't get as much regenerative breaking. You can see this in regular gas hybrids that get better city mileage than highway mileage. The effect is even more pronounced in full electric vehicles.
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- misiti3780 3y agoYep! Like clockwork, once a week!
- lizardking 3y agospaceship man bad
- rsynnott 3y agoYou appear to be the first person to mention Naughty Old Mr Car...
- leesec 3y agoThese range discussions are always a bit ridiculous to me, as it's an average/guess. It's just energy so many things play a factor. How fast was the driver going? How much wind was there? How often did they use AC and stereo? Was it hilly? People have proven time and time again if you drive a Tesla quite slow on flat ground it exceeds the driving range, and if you drive it quite fast it's below it. Congratulations.
- brianwawok 3y agoWhats annoying is Tesla internally knows the real range. On a trip, it picks a charging stop 180 miles away and says I will be at 5% charge when I arrive. But the mileage still says "310". If they actually adjusted the mileage display to be the real number, it would be SO much more helpful.
- jpgvm 3y agoThat is because the "range" and the "energy use for this route" are two different things. Really you -always- want the latter but people seem to think that it can be simplified to the former, it just can't. Spherical cows in a vacuum and all of that. Telsa puts a bunch of work into estimating energy use for a given route using elevation data etc, it's why they have their own route planner (that you can also tweak the behavior of). From memory the only thing that goes into the "range" calc is current temperature, it otherwise just has to assume averages for everything else without knowing the route a priori.
- __m 3y agoMhm i wonder why Tesla wants false advertising to be considered free speech. (No onion article) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38626078 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38626078
- misiti3780 3y ago[flagged]
- inference-lord 3y agoThis was a cool video: No, Tesla Cybertruck Is Not Faster Than Porsche (While Towing) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts
- tim333 3y agoI was disappointed they didn't try the drag race again.
- inference-lord 3y agoThey didn't have access to the cyber truck?
- cdumler 3y agoThey don't. American's general education is so poor that just chanting certain phrases garners support. They want _their_ advertising to be considered "free speech" because it invokes a strong response of support in many Americans. This wasn't and isn't about free speech. <rantmode> Freedom of speech is _not_ an individual right. It is a principle of restriction on the U.S. government; namely, that the government cannot preemptively prevent you from even speaking about a subject. It was never about you being free from responsibility for what you say. The majority of Amendments came out of the abuses of the English monarchy where the King: * Prosecutes you for not following (real or imagined) his particular vision of religion (1st) * Tells you are forbidden to even talk about something you know (2nd) * Tells you that you're obligated to station and feed his troops (3rd) * Sends enforcers to look through your stuff because "reasons" (4th) * Commands you to provide evidence of your guilt, so you're guilty if provide it or guilty for violating the king's command to do so if you don't (5th) * Locks you in jail and forgets about you (6th) * Stacks the judicial system with his people (7th) * Finds "creative" ways to punish you (8th) * Is the sole authority over the people (9th) * Is the sole authority of law (10th) This is fascism. Like, not mocking, "oh, I'm going to call you a dirty word 'cause I don't like your position" fascism, but what a real fascism system is. It's where those in power are free to exercise any actions without any responsibilities, while anyone who attempts act in the same way to those in power are suppressed. [Anyone](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-threatened-to-sue-an-anti-hate-speech-group-its-ceo-is-still-blasting-his-bigotry/ar-AA1nbOTy https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-threaten...) who [says](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jan/9/elon-musk-purges-x-site-prominent-leftist-reporter/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jan/9/elon-musk-pu...) anything about [them](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-04/spacex-sues-us-labor-board-over-fired-employees-case https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-04/spacex-su...) isn't. </rantmode>
- robertlagrant 3y agoThe range seems unclear - the title of this post takes the lower range, but they also did a test at a steady 70mph, probably the worst case for a boxy vehicle due to wind resistance, and got 254 miles. I'd expect going slower to yield much better range. Maybe there's variance in the trucks themselves?
- jillesvangurp 3y ago> That test was done at a relatively constant speed of 70 miles per hour while the outside temperature was about 45 degrees. It's winter so the battery is not going to be at peak performance. 20% less range is pretty much what you should expect with temperatures like this. It's actually pretty good.
- _ea1k 3y agoThe Rivian R1T does better, although it is also significantly smaller.
- CeiThieyohmahgh 3y agoA steady 70mph cruise is approximately the best case for virtually all vehicles
- lupire 3y agoAbsolutely not for electric, which is far more efficient at lower speeds, unlike gas which has a minimum burn even at idle and downhill.
- NineStarPoint 3y agoThe most efficient speed for virtually all vehicles is about 50-55 mph, and that’s probably going to be a more pronounced difference on something that’s less aerodynamic. 65-70 doesn’t tend to be too bad though, no.
- robertlagrant 3y agoYou're thinking of ICE vehicles, which have efficient torque at certain RPMs, and don't recover energy when they brake, so traffic is even more inefficient. Electric vehicles have all the torque, all the time, and do recover energy, so for them it's more about wind resistance, which increases with speed.
- Retric 3y agoThat’s “164 miles with 80% charge” not a full battery. Still curious what the difference is here. Heavy acceleration, extremely cold temperatures, or some defect could make the difference, but 206 miles on a full charge is a lot worse than the 320 claimed. “When InsideEVs alum Kyle Conner from Out of Spec Motoring drove a dual-motor Cybertruck through the night to see how far the EV would go on a full charge, he got a total of 254 miles, 20% less than the advertised 320 miles (on all-terrain tires).”
- hn8305823 3y ago> The vehicle in question is an all-wheel drive unit that had 72 miles on the odometer when it was delivered. I've bought eight brand new cars in my lifetime (some co-bought with a partner). I don't think any of them had more than 20 miles on them. Some were as low as single digits. I would be mad if I were paying a premium for a brand new car and it arrived with 72 miles on it. At least with an electric car I'm not worried about how the engine/drivetrain might have been abused, but there is still wear and tear on the surfaces (interior and exterior).
- lupire 3y agoWhat do you do in the first 100 miles in your new car, or fear others would be doing, that makes it worth the premium?
- HumblyTossed 3y ago> What do you do in the first 100 miles in your new car... Drive it. Because it's MINE. New cars should only have a few miles on it for on/offloading it, etc. Questions like this have the same stink as victim blaming questions.
- lupire 3y agoIt's less than 0.1% of the vehicle lifetime. The car doesn't even work properly for the first few hundred miles. It's not YOURS until you buy it. And it's a vehicle, not a figurine in a vaccuum glass case.
- sys_64738 3y ago72 miles on a car means it's been drive for about two hours. It's used at that point.
- Loughla 3y agoDrive it like it's new. Baby the engine, baby the transmission, baby the entire system. Avoid problems when you run it like it's stolen when everything is brand new. It USED to be the break-in period was super important. I've been told that it's not anymore, but that comes from salesmen. So. Who knows if it's accurate or not. I also do not know how that applies to the electric motors on a new electric vehicle. But I'm betting that's the reason.
- jvolkman 3y agoThe first Cybertruck deliveries were apparently on 11/30, 46 days before the odometers hit 10,000 on 1/15 (per the article). Assuming a day 1 delivery, that's over 217 miles every single day.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoSounds like the real world for a non-trivial percentage of the population.
- stevev 3y agoReal Tesla Range = Advertised Range * 0.80
- thebruce87m 3y agoReal ICE mpg = Advertised mpg * 0.80 They should just change the testing to be 70mph in the cold for all cars. Then everyone can be pleasantly surprised when it does more in other conditions.
- danso 3y agoFWIW the Ford F-150 promises 300 miles but gets around 278 — and 210 if it is loaded with 1,400 lbs https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/6/23749844/ford-f150-lightning-payload-range-loss-aaa https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/6/23749844/ford-f150-lightni...
- thefourthchime 3y agoBut in the winter?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8gH52gKejE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8gH52gKejE
- ralfd 3y ago> The average energy consumption after 9,944 miles was 599 watt-hours/mile. When driving conservatively around town, the efficiency number on the screen went as low as 290 Wh/mi, while driving on the highway made the number jump to 900 Wh/mi occasionally. Quite a large range!
- bryanlarsen 3y agoExactly. This illustrates why people are asking for the impossible. There is no single accurate range number.
- q34tlkjlkjl34y5 3y agoSwim was at heavenly last weekend. I saw 3-4 rivians on the road in and saw one cybertruck pull into california lodge. Curious how these would operate in a place like that since cold weather is hell on the batteries?
- paul7986 3y agoIt's Musk's new prototype junk that everyone adored and was excited about and then he bought Twitter (got himself into the sh!t show that's politics). That made him lots more enemies who now highlight through their media friends & their money how much of used car salesman he really is. Also, media is pounding away this year suddenly on the big downfalls of EV ownership compared to the 100 year old gas car with 100 year old infrastructure. When the experience of owning an EV is the same as owning a gas car Im excited about being able to charge my car overnight and super quickly on my many road trips. I do a few a month near, far and sometimes in remote areas ... yet hopefully not in super cold areas..the EV could freeze & in a remote area YIKES.
- NelsonMinar 3y agoThat reported 599 watt-hours/mile is hard for me to understand. That's 374 wH/km or nearly double the average for the EVs in this table: https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/energy-consumption-electric-car https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/energy-consumption-electr... A F150 Lightning is about 500wH/mi. https://insideevs.com/news/584918/ford-f150-lightning-epa-range-efficiency/ https://insideevs.com/news/584918/ford-f150-lightning-epa-ra... Other Tesla cars are way way better, under that 374 number. I get the Cybertruck is heavy and not very aerodynamic. But this bad?
- frank_bb 3y ago[dead]
- thefourthchime 3y agoI searched for the words "winter" and "cold" in this article and found no results. Doesn't that affect the range quite significantly?
- _ea1k 3y agoThere are a lot of interesting comments here, but I think the one that is getting overlooked is the batteries on these. Tesla announced their own battery production back in September of 2020. Now, well over 3 years later, their 4680 production is still struggling to scale and their energy density is barely competitive with the 2170 cells they were using before. On top of that, the charging performance is significantly worse. All of this is clearly impacting their ability to deliver CT at the competitive level that they intended. 4680 is their biggest business failure in the past 10 years.
- syngrog66 3y agospoiled gaslighters