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My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urge
by goblinux 4y ago
My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!!
I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them.
There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bosch again
(Edit) I say all this to say my dishwasher was engineered by the same kind of engineer who 1) has obviously never used the product or washed dishes and 2) optimized for “dishes are clean out them away RIGHT NOW” even though nobody uses a dishwasher like that
- Chris2048 4y ago> There is no way to disable this beeper Not officially, but there's always a wire that could be snipped, or a speaker that can be smashed..
- Tor3 4y agoWhich reminds me about where I worked back in the neolithic.. we had an intruder alarm horn in the corridor, which was supposed to sound if someone didn't enter the magic sequence at the entrance door. But it had some issues, so sometimes it just went off. It was very loud and annoying. One day our tech manager couldn't take it anymore and came running out of his office, with a nipper in hand, and, as he was a really big guy, reached up to the horn up at the ceiling and cut the cables.
- kwhitefoot 4y agoMy wife had a saying that applied to almost all of this kind of thing: Designed by a man!
- dudul 4y agoAnd yet, I bet women were pretty happy when men created the dishwasher.
- nielsole 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Cochrane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Cochrane
- dudul 4y agoThat's an evolution of what was invented by Joel Houghton.
- Chris2048 4y agoNot sure if it was directly inspired by Houghton's, but it was the first to be commercially successful. However it seems those early dishwashers where pretty different to modern ones, least of all not being automatic: https://www.homestratosphere.com/dishwasher-history/ https://www.homestratosphere.com/dishwasher-history/
- t-writescode 4y agoTo be clear, your response to someone calling you out was to ... double-down on your sexism by being pedantic?
- capableweb 4y agoIn case you weren't aware: > The first mechanical dishwashing device was registered for a patent in 1850 in the United States by Joel Houghton > The device was both slow and unreliable. > Another patent was granted to L.A. Alexander in 1865 > Neither device was practical or widely accepted. And finally > The most successful of the hand-powered dishwashers was invented in 1886 by Josephine Cochrane together with mechanic George Butters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher#History) So yeah, all three invented the dishwasher it seems, but thanks to Josephine Cochrane (and Butters), we actually have a working and reliable dishwasher, something Joel Houghton was unable to build. You're all right, in your own way.
- paavope 4y agoOne can be happy that something exists while at the same time lamenting that the design isn’t ideal (Edit: though incidentally, it turns out that the inventor of the dishwasher — or at least one of the earliest working designs — was a woman, as the sibling post pointed out; didn’t know that)
- MattPalmer1086 4y agoHopefully we will eventually arrive at a place where it could have been designed by a woman!
- the_third_wave 4y agoGood for your wife and I hope you have some snappy retort. Then, again... Imagine if someone here said something similar about some dysfunctional piece of equipment: Designed by a woman! Either both of these made-in-jest sayings should be accepted - which is fine by me - or neither of them. Have a look at the way men are portrayed in commercials to see how far this imbalance has gone: Men are smelly badly-dressed clumsy idiots who would not make it far in the world were it not for all those smart women who... [1]. So, ladies, what's it gonna be? Free for all like it used to be with women making fun of men and men making fun of women or shall we have this boring speech-policed culture where each word has to be weighed and approved by the experts? [1] ...fall in the trap of buying useless products?
- kwhitefoot 4y agoYou are over-thinking this. My wife's remark was almost invariably directed at goods and machines that were either aimed specifically at women or roles where women are overrepresented or at things the design of which clearly had not involved thinking that women would use them. One classic example of the latter is car seatbelts and other safety features of cars. Examples of the former abound in the kitchen which in most families is still the domain of the woman of the house; for instance packaging that cannot be opened unless one's fingernails are clipped short.
- wrycoder 4y agoMy wife just hauls out her sling blade.
- klipt 4y agoIt's still casual sexism though, because being bad at market research and design isn't an integral feature of being a man. It's like if you said Theranos failed "because it was led by a woman". Which is not to say your wife is an awful person or anything, casual sexism is common and often goes unrecognized. But it's good to call it out when you do see it.
- yunwal 4y ago
- bongoman37 4y agoI know people in the Bosch product design team, there are certainly women there.
- expertentipp 4y agoDoes it have a digital clock? Adjusting the bloody clocks on every appliance twice a year is such fun.
- eru 4y agoOnly in places that twiddle with the clocks twice a year.
- iso1631 4y agoPlus powercuts, plus them drifting.
- eru 4y agoIf you have a clock that shuts off when the power is cut, you don't need to worry about drifting: Most of those are synchronized to the grid, and the grid keeps time really, really well. They actually synchronize the grid to atomic clocks etc for that purpose.
- iso1631 4y agoI have clocks in various mains powered devices that will drift noticeably over a couple of months. Some survive small brownouts, some don't, I have one which will last for a decent length cut. I'd wager all of them get timing from an internal oscilator driven by a low-voltage DC supply and have no mains frequency or voltage anywhere near them.
- eru 4y agoI guess, if they survive any power cut at all, they are probably not taking their time cues from the main's frequency. I agree with your wager that they probably run on low-voltage DC and perhaps have a capacitor somewhere to bridge short outages. Where do you live that you have frequent enough brown outs to notice these things? I have a time switch. It looks entirely mechanical, but I suspect it gets its time signal from the mains: it doesn't seem to drift at all. If there's ever a power outage (which happens from time to time when our breaker trips, not because the real mains is down) it just stops advancing the time, but doesn't reset, because it's all mechanical.
- Angostura 4y agoFrom the manual Cycle Completion Signal The cycle completion signal alerts you when a cycle completes and the dishwasher has washed and dried the dishes. You can choose to disable the tone or adjust the volume. NOTE: The unit must be powered OFF before activating. To activate: • Press and hold the right "Cancel Reset" button then press and hold the ON/OFF button. • When the light on the "Cancel Reset" button you are pressing illuminates and the tone goes off, release both buttons. • Press the far right "Cancel Reset" button until you achieve the desired volume or until there is no tone (to turn off). • Press the ON/OFF button. The setting is now saved. You're welcome :)
- causi 4y agoEven if it didn't have the option, all you'd have to do is open up the front panel and rip the beeper off the board. That's what I do to my microwaves that can't be muted.
- orev 4y agoMany home appliances have hidden codes you can use to adjust settings like this, including making them silent. They usually come up if you search for “Sabbath Mode”.
- CamperBob2 4y ago[dead]
- shellfishgene 4y agoIt can be useful because if you open it while the dishes are still warm, they dry better. Usually you can turn off the beeping with some button combination, just google it for your model.
- _joel 4y agoMine beeps and opens it's door, I quite like it. The washing machine make a Yazoo style beep to that I sing along to. Definitely need to get out more.
- hwillis 4y agoI've got a couple devices that are useable from my phone only. My first reaction to your comment was "why not have a wifi status page for my dishwasher?" Hell, you could put a 90 cent weight sensor on the racks to tell you when they've actually been unloaded vs. the door has just been opened. On the other hand I don't want another damn app. Why is all that crap bluetooth and phone-only? Why can't I install these things on my router?
- bick_nyers 4y agoI feel like a simple email would be a much cleaner and cheaper solution than literally everything else that "smart" appliance manufacturers do. It might be a really "disconnected from the average person" opinion though.
- shellfishgene 4y agoYou need home assistant or something silmilar. It's more of a hobby than a convenience though ;)
- peeters 4y ago> Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Surely just opening the dishwasher a crack would be simpler than cutting the power?
- cactusplant7374 4y agoThe LG washing machine in my apartment has a lot of chimes (even on the ZZZ quiet mode). And it doesn't appear there is a way to disable them. It's really irritating.
- jjtheblunt 4y agoWe disabled them on our LG. How to do so may be hidden well however.
- cactusplant7374 4y agoJust found the manual and I might have a solution. I pressed two buttons simultaneously but there is no feedback. So we'll see if this works.
- dkresge 4y agoInteresting. I recently admired the creative engineering of my neighbor’s dishwasher which simply, and quietly, projects a small status light on the floor. It’s a Bosch.
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- jmull 4y agoI have a Bosch and it doesn't beep when done. So I guess it's not all of them.
- bick_nyers 4y agoWell... there is certainly a way to disable that beeper, but it may void your warranty. I've been strongly considering cutting out the beeper in my refrigerator, which will aggressively beep after a mere 20 seconds of being open. One way I like to cope with this frustration is to subscribe to the conspiracy that it is an intentional anti-pattern designed to motivate me to upgrade to a more expensive model that has a (stupid) window. I'm very comfortable with the idea that I'm going to stand there and stare mindlessly into my fridge, basking in indecisiveness. I don't think I waste as much energy doing this as the glass does, being a poor insulator.
- mgbmtl 4y agoI found it annoying at first, but sometimes we don't close the door properly because it's too full, or a badly closed drawer is blocking the door.
- gvb 4y agoOur new(er) Bosch dishwasher beeps three times at the end of the cycle. I like it because it alerts me to open the door a couple of inches to promote drying. All the dishwashers[1] I had previous to this had a real drying cycle that actively vented the humidity and was effective. My Bosch doesn't vent the compartment so the dishes take forever to dry if you don't open the door. [1] Said dishwashers all manufactured over 20 years ago, before draconian energy efficiency requirements came into effect.
- thiht 4y agoI wonder if dishwashers could have a setting to automatically open the door. It would be so much more useful than beeping. Edit: apparently some brands already have dishwashers with automatic doors, so cool!
- kevincox 4y agoIf I was buying a dishwasher I would definitely require this feature. My current model takes 2h to clean and if you open it right away it is usually dry in another hour. However if you forget to open the door right away it cools down and can take 4-6h to dry fully (if there are small pools of water on top of things). Having an auto-open to get the reliable 3h cycle time would be fantastic. Obviously if I'm in a hurry I can dry manually, but that defeats a lot of the point of the automatic machine. We also put everything in the dishwaster so if we have people over on the weekend then cook lunches for the week we can have quite the continuous stream of dishes for a couple of days. Getting in an extra load or two in that time would be super helpful.
- philwelch 4y agoThat’s what my Bosch does. It also doesn’t beep.
- Doxin 4y agoMine just... pops open by itself.
- dagw 4y ago
- speed_spread 4y agoI'm pretty certain that's not an engineer's feature but rather the great idea of a product manager answering to marketing concerns wanting to make the product more "human" or some shit like that. The engineer sighed, implemented the thing, kept his job and moved on. BTW, my Samsung _played a 30 second song_ (loudly beeping) when it was done. I think it was Schubert or something? And again, no documented way to shut it up permanently. Super fun at 2am to be when woken up by a machine that you bought because it's supposed to be quiet.
- pchangr 4y agoIt was possible to disable it on mine with the Smart things app. You can even tell it to send a push notification instead. I absolutely hated the sound but loved the notification as it will remind me and I would just dismiss it when I did it.
- speed_spread 4y agoThis feels like it's just nagging you to install the app and hook it up to wifi. I've worked for $big_appliance_company and let me tell you... You don't want to connect your appliances to the Internet.
- pchangr 4y agoWell… what I want to sleep. Worse case scenario is my washing machine ends up DDOS’ing a poor guy’s website
- hedora 4y agoSamsung has started meshing their stuff. Worst case your washing machine forwards on a video feed from your fridge of you in your undies binge eating spray cheese at 2am while watching a Taylor Swift concert. You’ll be doing this as a direct result of years of careful psychological conditioning via maliciously placed ads chosen by some 4chan group.
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- userbinator 4y agoMy decades-old washing machine has a clearly labeled "cycle end signal loudness" knob. It ranges from off to so loud I can hear it from the other end of the house on a different floor. The other reply with the instructions on how to adjust the volume of the signal shows just how far UI has regressed. Instead of twisting a knob, you need to know some obscure key sequence.
- hedora 4y agoNow that we have kids, I like the security through obscurity of the poorly designed menu. Of course, I’ll eventually be unable to read all the necessary tiny print, and will then need to get the kids to fix the settings…
- MereInterest 4y agoThe problem with poorly designed menus is that they can also be activated accidentally. Then you need to discover not only how to disable a feature, but also what the feature even is in the first place. For example, once my headphones stopped playing sound whenever I would clear my throat or talk to the cats. It seemed like a weird intermittent failure, because I wasn’t expecting the microphone to have any effect when listening. And because it was an entirely new behavior. Turns out, if you triple-touch the right speaker and hold for three seconds, it will enter “speak to mute” mode. This can happen when taking the headphones off, so you don’t even hear any announcement about the mode. Long ramble, but non-discoverable interfaces are a bit of a pet peeve.
- KiwiJohnno 4y agoMy dishwasher (LG) plays a cheerful tune to let you know when it has finished its cycle (60 mins) At least its not too obtrusive, and it only does it once. But.... then it has a cooldown timer, and if you open the door within the next 30 mins it LOSES ITS SHIT at you, beeping and carrying on because the dishes haven't finished drying. I mean... Why play the happy tune to announce to the world that you've finished... when you actually haven't.
- hedora 4y agoOur LG oven plays all sorts of fucking tunes for preheat, timer done, etc. The only tones you can disable are button presses and microwave done. Also, it is a dual oven, and the top half is also a microwave. The problem is that the top half oven functions insist on being given cooking times after baking modes preheat. (99h99m is my usual go to, which causes it to round down and demand a second “start” keypress). The final cherry on top is that it has a fucking modal UI. Like vim, but on a kitchen appliance. The terminal state for most actions is where it says “program complete”, and you have to press “clear” before it will accept any other keystrokes. I’m pretty sure the people that set the meat thermometer to aggressively cool the oven at target temperature (instead of just beeping out a god awful unmutable song) have never actually cooked. I suspect they don’t even understand what “human food” is.
- SoftTalker 4y agoYeah for an oven I want on/off and temperature setting. I can time what I’m cooking separately. For a dishwasher I want one button: start. So many things are overengineered with useless or even annoying features.
- Symbiote 4y ago55h55m would avoid the rounding.
- dahfizz 4y agoMy Bosch clothes dryer does the same thing. It will continue to beep at you forever after drying my clothes. Who thought this was a good idea??? Interestingly, my Bosch clothes washing machine has a button to disable the beeper. But not the dryer, even though they come as a stacked pair. ???? Edit: yes, I did read through the manual and entered the magic cheat code to make the dryer silent. Still a befuddling and frustrating experience.
- hedora 4y agoThat makes sense. If you disable the beeper on the washer, your clothes will get all smelly and moldy when you forget to unload it. At that point you’ll probably turn it back on. The poor little beeper on the dryer is defenseless by comparison. If you leave it disabled, how will it find meaning in its life?
- poulsbohemian 4y ago>My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. You'd hate my LG then - it texts me to tell me it's done.
- asadlionpk 4y agoI assume this is a wifi-enabled push notification and not a dishwasher with a sim and modem(!!)
- Tor3 4y agoI saw a model house which had two dishwashers. One for extracting clean dishes, one for inserting dirty ones. Switch forth and back. Obviously you wouldn't want dishwashers with alarms for that. As for microwaves.. the good old ones had a simple spring-driven timer, turn the wheel and when it hit zero it hit a bell, physically.. a single "pling". Perfect. But the new one I bought as a replacement would beep five times, and keep beeping even if I opened the door. Crazy and totally useless. I want to have a.. word.. with industrial designers sometimes. The microwave I have now also annoyingly beep five times, but at least it stops when I open the door.
- alias_neo 4y agoI have the same hate. I had a nice Bosch dishwasher I chose and bought in my last home, but I left it behind for the new owners. It would beep 3 times, 5 minutes apart and then stop. The beeps were gently. My new home has a Kenwood, and it will beep few minutes, forever. If I start a wash before bed, I will literally hear it all night, no matter where I am in the house. Some nights I'll go downstairs just to turn it off if it's particularly bothering me. Like you, I don't give a shit when the dishes are done, they can stay in the dishwasher until I'm ready to empty it, the stupid forever-beep is terrible design that like the linked article, makes weird assumptions about how you use your kitchen and dishwasher).
- jhoechtl 4y agoMy dishwasher is quiet, bit my washing machines and the dryer are talkative. Both have a setup AND a dedicated quiet mode button to silence them. Maybe you should invest some time to RTFM?
- alias_neo 4y agoNow you mention it, I will. I literally had no clue it could/would/might have such a feature, its interface is very simple compared to the Bosch I had before, so I never even thought to look for an STFU mode.
- askvictor 4y agoConversely, a washing machine should have a beeper, as you need to take it out kind of urgently. But my Bosch washing machine lacks this.