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The way this entire thing has been run is a f*cking disgrace. Yes they have a business to run. Yes they need to do what they need to do to keep things healthy o

The way this entire thing has been run is a f*cking disgrace. Yes they have a business to run. Yes they need to do what they need to do to keep things healthy on that end, but these are PEOPLE we are talking about here. They have lives and families. The amount of contempt I have for Musk over the way he is treating them is unbounded. We used to think this guy was Bruce Wayne. Turns out he's Lex Luthor.

khazhoux 4y ago
Elon's takeover began 6 months ago, and he's never hidden his disdain for how the company is run. All those PEOPLE with lives and families would have been smart to take the hint and start interviewing instead of waiting to see if Elon would spare them.
- recursv_thnkng 4y ago
  He made a joke offer and attempted to back out of the deal for 6 months straight. Nobody knew if it was going through or not.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Doesn't matter, either case started to look bad for Twitter. Either stock price drop or Elon being forced to buy.
buscoquadnary 4y ago
Wow laying off a large chunk of an unprofitable company is lex luthor evil? Guess the bar for super villain has become substantially lower.
- metabagel 4y ago
  He hasn’t communicated with the employees. He has left them twisting in the wind. They’re finding things out from his tweets instead of through proper company channels. It’s unprofessional and disrespectful.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  Lex Luthor would never make so many stupid comments on social media. Musk is more cartoon villain than comic book villain. But I think the Joker once lampshaded that a CEO was more evil than he would ever be. Its probably somewhere in the Even Evil has Standards trope (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStand...).
  - krapp 4y ago
    Lex Luthor did, however, take forty cakes. That’s as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
- jef_leppard 4y ago
  Layoffs are part of business yes (pretty much what I said in my parent post). What I have a problem with is the way this is being done. Forcing people to quit by dropping arbitrary deadlines without any notice? Notice of 84 hour work weeks? Sleeping in the office? Asking devs to print up their code? All this because he doesn't want to pay severance etc. I think that is hella f*cked up.
  - marcusverus 4y ago
    > Forcing people to quit by dropping arbitrary deadlines without any notice? Notice of 84 hour work weeks? Sleeping in the office? Did any of this happen as a matter of policy? Or are you getting upset about rumors and hearsay?
    - saagarjha 4y ago
      It did.
    - bsimpson 4y ago
      https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1587709705488830464 https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/158770970548883046...
      - Whatarethese 4y ago
        That'd be a big heck no from me dawg. No job is worth that.
        andirk 4y ago
        I've slept at work plenty of times. It's fun! Except one time I went outside for a spliff break at 2am and dropped my wallet w/ key badge right as the door shut. I had to hunt down a taxi and promise him I had money at my house! I also didn't have shoes on for some reason.
  - dmak 4y ago
    Your original comment made it sound like businesses shouldn't layoff people because they were people who had real lives. After reading this follow-up, I realized you have no issues with layoffs, but you actually just had an issue with how they were laid off. Basically, same outcome, but with more grace.
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  Forcing people to work over weekends, 84 hour weeks, finding any excuse to make them quit or fire them "for cause" like making them print their code out physically? The end of the year is coming. It's supposed to be the holidays soon. Thanksgiving is in like 3 weeks. C'mon, dude.
  - jef_leppard 4y ago
    Just so. Some big Grinch energy coming from one of the wealthiest people on the planet.
  - abledon 4y ago
    Having employees pull 80+ hr crunch time is common in the AAA game industry... whats so bad about it happening for a few weeks at twitter?
    - waaveshine 4y ago
      Yes it is common in the gaming industry. That is not a good thing nor a justification for it happening elsewhere.
    - lawn 4y ago
      Having then pull 80+ weeks is bad no matter where it is. The game dev work environmental is notoriously shitty, that doesn't make it okay to make it shitty elsewhere.
    - Tiktaalik 4y ago
      It is no longer common at all.
    - gizmo385 4y ago
      > Having employees pull 80+ hr crunch time is common in the AAA game industry You say that as if the working conditions in the AAA game industry _aren't_ widely regarded as horrible... Crunch happening in the games industry isn't a defense of it happening elsewhere. It shouldn't be happening in the games industry either.
gonzo41 4y ago
I don't think you should diminish the great work of Lex Luther by associating Musk with him. Musk is not a genius, he just got rich with first mover advantage in Online banking (paypal) and disrupting a lazy industry (Cars but electric!). The real measure of Musk will be seeing how well this all goes. If he's really is smart, this may work. But by all accounts we're seeing what taking 44 billion dollars and setting it on fire looks like.
- COGlory 4y ago
  >Musk is not a genius, he just got rich with first mover advantage in Online banking (paypal) and disrupting a lazy industry (Cars but electric!). I'm not saying he's a genius, either, but first mover and disruption aren't exactly without foresight.
  - gonzo41 4y ago
    Yeah, but buying twitter isn't smart. It shows a glaring lack of critical thinking and foresight. So like most rich people. He got lucky in the past and the past may not be a measure of the future.
    - marcusverus 4y ago
      Thats what they said about Tesla and SpaceX.
      - gonzo41 4y ago
        Musk is a good project manager if you think that crash or crash through is a good project management methodology. And Telsa and SpaceX (Which is supported by defence industry) are very different in their offerings than twitter.....
        marcusverus 4y ago
        So he lead first new major US car company in a century and started the first viable private rocket company in 50 years, but you’re concerned that he won’t be able to figure out how to make Twitter profitable? Is that your honest opinion?
rybosworld 4y ago
Just to play devils advocate: Musk more or less got trapped into a deal with Twitter that was largely based upon numbers that were fabricated by executives. From his perspective, the way to salvage this mess is layoffs. Some of the previous executives (Parag) have committed fraud imo, and should face consequences. They won't though. Lot's of twitter employees will suffer. To varying degrees, many of them played a role in the house of cards that is twitter.
- jef_leppard 4y ago
  > Lot's of twitter employees will suffer This is the only part of this I am speaking to because the rest is exactly what is happening. Musk messed up and now a whole lot of people are put in a terrible situation going right into the holiday season. It's unconscionable for one of the richest people in the world to behave this way.
  - rybosworld 4y ago
    I was alluding to the fact that the Twitter execs deserve a great deal of the blame. There are many guilty parties in this story. Elon is just one. The Twitter executives have been up to shenanigans for quite some time it seems. That is imo, the actual main reason this deal has been so messy.
    - iamdelirium 4y ago
      Citations please. And don't cite Musk, he's not a neutral party to this. He's going to say anything that will make the old executives look bad. Also, it was Musk who waive due diligence. This is ENTIRELY all on him. EDIT: Since max depth was reach, there are _multiple_ comments about how he waived due diligence. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/in-letter-to-twitter-musk-threatens-to-kill-merger-deal-over-spam-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/in-letter-to-twi... https://www.zdnet.com/article/musk-did-not-seek-due-diligence-and-the-44b-deal-will-be-completed-twitter/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/musk-did-not-seek-due-diligenc... The bot thing was an entire hail mary to stop the purchase. It doesn't matter if Twitter lied about the bots.

khazhoux 4y ago

Elon's takeover began 6 months ago, and he's never hidden his disdain for how the company is run. All those PEOPLE with lives and families would have been smart to take the hint and start interviewing instead of waiting to see if Elon would spare them.

recursv_thnkng 4y ago
He made a joke offer and attempted to back out of the deal for 6 months straight. Nobody knew if it was going through or not.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Doesn't matter, either case started to look bad for Twitter. Either stock price drop or Elon being forced to buy.

buscoquadnary 4y ago

Wow laying off a large chunk of an unprofitable company is lex luthor evil? Guess the bar for super villain has become substantially lower.

metabagel 4y ago
He hasn’t communicated with the employees. He has left them twisting in the wind. They’re finding things out from his tweets instead of through proper company channels. It’s unprofessional and disrespectful.
seanmcdirmid 4y ago
Lex Luthor would never make so many stupid comments on social media. Musk is more cartoon villain than comic book villain. But I think the Joker once lampshaded that a CEO was more evil than he would ever be. Its probably somewhere in the Even Evil has Standards trope (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStand...).
- krapp 4y ago
  Lex Luthor did, however, take forty cakes. That’s as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
jef_leppard 4y ago
Layoffs are part of business yes (pretty much what I said in my parent post). What I have a problem with is the way this is being done. Forcing people to quit by dropping arbitrary deadlines without any notice? Notice of 84 hour work weeks? Sleeping in the office? Asking devs to print up their code? All this because he doesn't want to pay severance etc. I think that is hella f*cked up.
- marcusverus 4y ago
  > Forcing people to quit by dropping arbitrary deadlines without any notice? Notice of 84 hour work weeks? Sleeping in the office? Did any of this happen as a matter of policy? Or are you getting upset about rumors and hearsay?
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    It did.
  - bsimpson 4y ago
    https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1587709705488830464 https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/158770970548883046...
    - Whatarethese 4y ago
      That'd be a big heck no from me dawg. No job is worth that.
      - andirk 4y ago
        I've slept at work plenty of times. It's fun! Except one time I went outside for a spliff break at 2am and dropped my wallet w/ key badge right as the door shut. I had to hunt down a taxi and promise him I had money at my house! I also didn't have shoes on for some reason.
- dmak 4y ago
  Your original comment made it sound like businesses shouldn't layoff people because they were people who had real lives. After reading this follow-up, I realized you have no issues with layoffs, but you actually just had an issue with how they were laid off. Basically, same outcome, but with more grace.
PuppyTailWags 4y ago
Forcing people to work over weekends, 84 hour weeks, finding any excuse to make them quit or fire them "for cause" like making them print their code out physically? The end of the year is coming. It's supposed to be the holidays soon. Thanksgiving is in like 3 weeks. C'mon, dude.
- jef_leppard 4y ago
  Just so. Some big Grinch energy coming from one of the wealthiest people on the planet.
- abledon 4y ago
  Having employees pull 80+ hr crunch time is common in the AAA game industry... whats so bad about it happening for a few weeks at twitter?
  - waaveshine 4y ago
    Yes it is common in the gaming industry. That is not a good thing nor a justification for it happening elsewhere.
  - lawn 4y ago
    Having then pull 80+ weeks is bad no matter where it is. The game dev work environmental is notoriously shitty, that doesn't make it okay to make it shitty elsewhere.
  - Tiktaalik 4y ago
    It is no longer common at all.
  - gizmo385 4y ago
    > Having employees pull 80+ hr crunch time is common in the AAA game industry You say that as if the working conditions in the AAA game industry _aren't_ widely regarded as horrible... Crunch happening in the games industry isn't a defense of it happening elsewhere. It shouldn't be happening in the games industry either.

gonzo41 4y ago

I don't think you should diminish the great work of Lex Luther by associating Musk with him. Musk is not a genius, he just got rich with first mover advantage in Online banking (paypal) and disrupting a lazy industry (Cars but electric!). The real measure of Musk will be seeing how well this all goes. If he's really is smart, this may work. But by all accounts we're seeing what taking 44 billion dollars and setting it on fire looks like.

COGlory 4y ago
>Musk is not a genius, he just got rich with first mover advantage in Online banking (paypal) and disrupting a lazy industry (Cars but electric!). I'm not saying he's a genius, either, but first mover and disruption aren't exactly without foresight.
- gonzo41 4y ago
  Yeah, but buying twitter isn't smart. It shows a glaring lack of critical thinking and foresight. So like most rich people. He got lucky in the past and the past may not be a measure of the future.
  - marcusverus 4y ago
    Thats what they said about Tesla and SpaceX.
    - gonzo41 4y ago
      Musk is a good project manager if you think that crash or crash through is a good project management methodology. And Telsa and SpaceX (Which is supported by defence industry) are very different in their offerings than twitter.....
      - marcusverus 4y ago
        So he lead first new major US car company in a century and started the first viable private rocket company in 50 years, but you’re concerned that he won’t be able to figure out how to make Twitter profitable? Is that your honest opinion?

rybosworld 4y ago

Just to play devils advocate: Musk more or less got trapped into a deal with Twitter that was largely based upon numbers that were fabricated by executives. From his perspective, the way to salvage this mess is layoffs. Some of the previous executives (Parag) have committed fraud imo, and should face consequences. They won't though. Lot's of twitter employees will suffer. To varying degrees, many of them played a role in the house of cards that is twitter.

jef_leppard 4y ago
> Lot's of twitter employees will suffer This is the only part of this I am speaking to because the rest is exactly what is happening. Musk messed up and now a whole lot of people are put in a terrible situation going right into the holiday season. It's unconscionable for one of the richest people in the world to behave this way.
- rybosworld 4y ago
  I was alluding to the fact that the Twitter execs deserve a great deal of the blame. There are many guilty parties in this story. Elon is just one. The Twitter executives have been up to shenanigans for quite some time it seems. That is imo, the actual main reason this deal has been so messy.
  - iamdelirium 4y ago
    Citations please. And don't cite Musk, he's not a neutral party to this. He's going to say anything that will make the old executives look bad. Also, it was Musk who waive due diligence. This is ENTIRELY all on him. EDIT: Since max depth was reach, there are _multiple_ comments about how he waived due diligence. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/in-letter-to-twitter-musk-threatens-to-kill-merger-deal-over-spam-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/in-letter-to-twi... https://www.zdnet.com/article/musk-did-not-seek-due-diligence-and-the-44b-deal-will-be-completed-twitter/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/musk-did-not-seek-due-diligenc... The bot thing was an entire hail mary to stop the purchase. It doesn't matter if Twitter lied about the bots.