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Check Your IP Reputation Score
- nuker 4y ago> Threats: iCloud Relay Seriously?
- brushfoot 4y agoThis is what I get for a public IP used for some of my websites: Threats: 0 Trust score: 0 - High risk I'm confused why it's considered high risk if no threats were detected. Maybe unknown IPs are considered high risk until proven otherwise?
- jonathan-kosgei 4y ago"Threats" is based on static blocklists. "Trust Score" is generated by a model. So what this means is, "even though this IP hasn't been reported anywhere we still think it's high risk".
- brushfoot 4y ago> "Trust Score" is generated by a model. Does a consumer have any insight into what the model does/doesn't like about an IP, or is it a black box? I'm wondering how they could contextualize a score for their use case, or how I as the IP owner know what to fix to raise the score.
- data_maan 4y agoIn all likelyhood it will be an (neural net?) AI, and then it's hard to get insight into why decisions were made. And even if they could explain it you, it might be spurious correlations that were picked up. There is a huge field of interpretable/fair AI and these types of questions arise in much more serious instances (e.g. where people in prison aren't given parole due an AI "assisted" decision). The state of the art seems to be that there are no easy answers as soon as you start questioning a decision by a modern AI system (or want introspection). You can only hope to not be part of the 5% of the cases where the decision is bad.
- Terretta 4y agoYou're rating massive swaths of Verizon FIOS home internet fiber with static IP addresses as zero threat, high risk.
- data_maan 4y agoWhat this means is: If a company website uses these scores, you will be blocked, even though you did nothing wrong.
- yucky 4y agoOh boy this is ripe for abuse. Good luck lol
- diroussel 4y agoI did some testing on 35.214.66.222, it says this could be an attacker because it's on the wikimedia blocklist. But it's on the wikimedia blocklist because it's an IP block owned by google, and wikimedia doesn't want google creating accounts. That doesn't make a website server from this IP an attacker!
- fotad 4y agoSo OVH is 0 and Hetzner is 1, I suppose some ASN are worse than OVH/Hetzner, will they get negative scoe?
- togs 4y agoIf this could somehow be tied to credit score, it would really discourage piracy.
- funstuff007 4y agoyou've rediscovered the secret sauce to peer to peer credit models https://www.turnkey-lender.com/blog/data-enrichment-is-the-secret-sauce-in-digital-lending/ https://www.turnkey-lender.com/blog/data-enrichment-is-the-s...
- egberts1 4y agoTurnkey: “45 million Americans have no credit history.” Almost entirely children. There were 73 million children in the U.S. in 2019—22 percent of our nation's population.
- data_maan 4y agoIt would. It would also discourage free speech and a number of other good things.
- tuatoru 4y agoWhy are "tor", "vpn", "iCloud relay", and "datacenter" considered threats?
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- diroussel 4y agoIf you wanted to send spam, or run an attack, you’d want to run your traffico via tor or a vpn to hide your home or office IP. Not sure why iCloud relay would be a problem.
- ender341341 4y agoisn't icloud relay just a vpn?
- diroussel 4y agoIt’s an HTTP proxy. Two layers of proxy. I was just assuming that paying iCloud users might be less likely to launch bot attacks. But on reflection I guess that is just bias.
- ronsor 4y agoIt's an Apple VPN, which makes it special since you usually don't want to piss off Apple/iOS users with "anti-bot" crap.
- sneak 4y agoTied to a unique and expensive Apple hardware serial number. It's a reputation-certification VPN.
- usr1106 4y agoThey are threats to those who think that geoblocking is a good thing.
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- a-r-t 4y agoIs this ipinfo [0] repackaging their product? [0] https://ipinfo.io/ https://ipinfo.io/
- anyfactor 4y agono. Source: I work for IPinfo. We don't do "IP Reputation Score". We provide the attributes/insights related to an IP address, the user makes the decision of how to use that information.
- p49k 4y agoI thought IPinfo was just sourced from Maxmind, am I wrong? Is there any way to know who are the original sources of info in this space and who are reselling?
- coderholic 4y agoAll of our datasets at IPinfo, including geolocation, are proprietary and created in house - we're not reselling any 3rd party data.
- data_maan 4y agoSeems a slightly better business model than the one from the OP. But it still comes somewhat close to a China-social-credit system for the internet.
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- yalogin 4y agoI don’t understand what this is or what the reputation really is. The site talks about threat intelligence and other marketing phrases. I hope I didn’t just give my IP to the site to just add to their database to show to their investors or worse data mine me somehow.
- jonathan-kosgei 4y agoFor context, a few months ago we launched our Blocklists [0] feature which allows users to query 100+ blocklists and find all the ones where an IP address has been listed. Blocklists based threat detection is however limited since they cannot contain every possible bad IP which leads to a lot of false negatives. To fix this we created an IP Reputation scoring model [1] and currently provide 4 scores. - Trust Score - VPN Score - Proxy Score - Threat Score The Trust Score simply aggregates the other 3 scores and is a value from 0 - 100, with 100 being a very high reputation IP address. [0] https://docs.ipdata.co/docs/ip-reputation-scores https://docs.ipdata.co/docs/ip-reputation-scores [1] https://docs.ipdata.co/docs/ip-reputation-scores https://docs.ipdata.co/docs/ip-reputation-scores
- data_maan 4y agoWhat he is basically saying is that they are the gatekeepers of the internet now and will decide for you if you are trustworthy.
- rdtwo 4y agoIt matters because it changes the difficult of some hype drops for sneakers and stuff. That’s about it, also maybe how long the ip will last before it gets flagged as a bot
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- lostlogin 4y agoFor me it says “error, not connected to internet”. Or just doesn’t run.
- jimmydorry 4y agoSame. It must have been HN hugged.
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- jonathan-kosgei 4y agoCould you try now and let me know if this persists?
- KronisLV 4y agoGot a trust score of 100 for an IP address that's assigned to me through Latvijas Mobilais Telefons (LMT). I guess that's perhaps one of the "benefits" of sitting behind CGNAT (from what I can tell), where nobody can host their own stuff and thus various sites (good or bad) hosted on residential connections and other interesting use cases aren't a thing. It still doesn't feel too good to need cloud VPSes that act as proxies just so I can expose some sites from my homelab (e.g. a Nextcloud instance of D&D session recordings and other game details), even though for whatever reason it's still cheaper than asking the ISP for static IP addresses (e.g. a ~5 euro/month VPS). That said, all of my VPS IP addresses (which I've had assigned to my servers for a few years) routinely scored 15-25 and landed in the "High risk" trust scores, even though they have 0 threats showing up. Guess running my own VPN to tunnel my connection through them might not be the best idea, if I wanted to do that in the future?
- jbotz 4y agoHumph. My home IP address which is shared by thousands of random people behind two layers of NAT, in Brazil, gets a score of "63, low risk". My mail server, on Linode in the US, which has had the same IP# for about 20 years and sends mail to GMail and Microsoft without problems (and only from a small group of people who never send spam) gets a score of "0, high risk". This is useless garbage, and dangerous to boot. The last thing we need is more arbitrary and unaccountable "reputation scores" being propagated by self-appointed and unqualified reputation judges.
- MatthiasPortzel 4y agoIt’s correctly distinguished between your home internet and a server. That’s the intention here, to discriminate against VPN users and bots.
- data_maan 4y agoWhat's your problem with VPN users? Are you some kind of voyeur that likes to snoop in other people's private business? Where I go in the internet is my business alone, just like were I go outside my house. And having an online version of China's social credit tracking me online to see if I behave is not a good thing. You are providing a service that is actively diminishing (already brittle) internet privacy and I have 0 love for people doing that.
- MiguelX413 4y agoThey don't necessarily have a problem with VPN users, they're just describing the purpose.
- jonathan-kosgei 4y agoIMO VPN services that don't defeat geolocation like Apple's Private Relay, the Google One VPN service and Cloudflare Warp are a good compromise for privacy. This is because they allow businesses to provide their services without breaking the law eg. gambling is legal in some states and illegal in others, betting services need to distinguish/target users accordingly. Insurance providers might only be licensed in certain states and not in others and also therefore need to correctly distinguish/target users correctly. US companies are also restricted from doing business with certain embargoed and sanctioned countries and they are expected to use technological tools like IP geolocation to be compliant. "OFAC makes clear its expectation that companies consider Internet Protocol ("IP") address geolocation data when assessing whether online customers are located in sanctioned jurisdictions." [0] These and other legitimate usecases are defeated by VPNs. [0] https://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/export-controls-trade-investment-sanctions/1025156/recent-ofac-settlement-highlights-need-to-consider-ip-address-geolocation-data https://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/export-controls-trade-in...
- data_maan 4y agoThis company is providing a horrible anti-service! Random company website you are visiting: "We're sorry, we can't offer you access to our service today, as you IP score was below our required threshold. Please try again later and have a nice day."
- mid-kid 4y agoThis is the sort of thing the likes of cloudflare and google use to decide whether it shows you a captcha or not. I agree discrimimating on things like IP and User Agent and cookies as well as other things is undesireable, but I'm glad this site is at least transparent about it.
- jonathan-kosgei 4y agoNo, if your reputation is really bad you'll probably just be shown a captcha.
- donmcronald 4y agoNot even close. PayPal, Twitter, Facebook, Discord, etc. all insta-ban or lock your account if you come from a low reputation IP. These services make it impossible to participate online without giving big tech your identity. IMO they’re worse than everyone else combined because they play a critical role in helping all tech companies discriminate against people that want privacy.
- data_maan 4y agoPretty much this. Actually they ban your account and want you to upload ypur ID. The weirdest thing was that Facebook a while ago had an onion adress too (presumably so that people from repressive regimes could access it). But if you'd use Tor to access them using the regular web: insta-ban.
- TT-392 4y agoAnd then you complete the captcha, the page reloads, and you have to solve another captcha. Never actually getting to the site
- exabrial 4y agoIs there a way to whitelist our corp vpns that happen to be cloud hosted? Happy to provide contact info and transparency if abuse were to occur.
- jonathan-kosgei 4y agoYes! Send me an email at my first name at ipdata.co.
- gigel82 4y agoLOL, doesn't work on Firefox: "You are not connected to the internet".