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Windows 11 has started rolling out worldwide

51 points by nilsandrey 5y ago

sieabahlpark 5y ago
No thank you.
nassimsoftware 5y ago
If you don't want to wait for the rollout you can install windows 11 immediately with windows 11 assistant here's the link : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11?ranMID=24542&ranEAID=nOD/rLJHOac&ranSiteID=nOD_rLJHOac-Gw78EVTtUJcGqx33C82dLw&epi=nOD_rLJHOac-Gw78EVTtUJcGqx33C82dLw&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2200057_aff_7593_1243925&tduid=%28ir__gl9unwp1i0kf6ib1cydiwswhr22xrclpf39mzkj200%29%287593%29%281243925%29%28nOD_rLJHOac-Gw78EVTtUJcGqx33C82dLw%29%28%29&irclickid=_gl9unwp1i0kf6ib1cydiwswhr22xrclpf39mzkj200 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11?...
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easton 5y ago
Not that your IT department will be letting you update today, but something to look forward to is that Teams in Windows 11 uses the shared Edge WebView runtime (replacing Electron), which means it takes around 50% of the RAM it did in Windows 10. Also, WSL graphics support (which isn't coming to Windows 10 for some reason), winget has been moved to stable (that is coming to Windows 10), and Windows Terminal is included in the box (but doesn't replace the cmd.exe or powershell.exe terminal emulator for some reason).
- csande17 5y ago
  Only Windows would ship three different terminal emulators in the default install...
  - xxpor 5y ago
    How many are in a default Ubuntu install? At least 2.
    - herewulf 5y ago
      And none of them are legacy cruft with ass-backwards copying and pasting. The cmd.exe "terminal" needs to die.
      - itsme-alan 5y ago
        It can't because "COMPATIBILITY"
- Rapzid 5y ago
  Ahhh, yeah; keen on the new term. The WSL window support looks great too. I develop in Linux VMs, but my host is Windows 10 pro. Been sticking with vbox this far.
  - icecap12 5y ago
    Agreed, Terminal is pretty nice for casual use.
- pid-1 5y ago
  My anecdotal experience is that Teams' performance still sucks. Terminal is pretty cool tho.
- waych 5y ago
  Neither cmd.exe nor powershell.exe are terminal emulators, rather they are both shells / scripting languages. The legacy looking crappy terminal window is usually conhost.exe. Windows has a console interface unlike that found on Unix, using APIs rather than escape sequences to interface with the console. Also, its console implementation was historically coupled tightly with the conhost.exe application, which historically is both the terminal emulator and console endpoint simultaneously. The blog series centered around https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-command-line-inside-the-windows-console/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-command-l... is the best resource I've found online that discusses Windows' legacy console support as well as some vision of how this subsystem has changed in the years since. These changes improved OS interop, but also de-couple the legacy crap so that third party terminal emulators can be better supported on Windows generally (separating the console endpoint from the terminal display), allowing for the creation of `CreatePseudoConsole()`. Prior to this, third party terminal emulators that wanted to support Windows apps had to run the legacy conhost.exe and shove the window way off the desktop (to hide), and then scrape the window for its contents. This is/was required so that the app has a console backed by a conhost.exe process (responding to the console apis). `CreatePseudoConsole()` fixes a lot of that mess.
Someone1234 5y ago
It surprises and disappoints me to see them making all of Windows Vista's mistakes again. Four months public beta wherein they fixed almost none of the major problems. Listened to almost none of the user feedback. Massive inconsistencies and half complete ideas abound. This isn't the worst Windows I've tried, but it is perhaps the worst RTM. If this was still in public beta I'd call it "serviceable" as a daily driver if you can deal with the quirks. But RTM-ing this? Shipping new computers with an even buggier build than the latest? Ouch. My barely computer-literate relatives should not walk into a Costco and out with a computer with this initial experience.
- nojito 5y ago
  On the flipside. I've been on Windows 11 since July and it has been great.
- dangus 5y ago
  Do you have any examples of specific things that aren't working for you? I don't even think Windows 11 is all that different from a regular feature update similar to the ones that Windows 10 has been receiving for years now. It has the Windows 11 name because some visible UI changes have been made. Other than that, it's really the same OS as Windows 10 in the grand scheme of things. Heck, Microsoft probably just fell into "doing whatever Apple is doing" by moving their OS from version 10 to 11 just because that's what macOS did. To me the only thing about Windows 11 that resembles Windows Vista are the vague complaints revolving around people's cheese being moved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F).
  - Someone1234 5y ago
    I'd point to this thread from 10 days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pugqvj/after_3_months_whats_your_opinion_about_windows_11/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pugqvj/after_3_m... > I don't even think Windows 11 is all that different from a regular feature update similar to the ones that Windows 10 has been receiving for years now. It has the Windows 11 name because some large and obvious UI changes have been made. So it is just a regular feature update except all the big and breaking changes. I feel like this is a point that defeats itself. > only thing about Windows 11 that resembles Windows Vista are the vague complaints I was specifically referring to Microsoft shipping an OS that didn't have enough time in the public test phase and thus shipped with bugs/quirks/issues. That could refer to both Vista and 11. > If everything else was the same and this was a Windows 10 feature update instead of "Windows 11" I'd instead be lambasting it for both its bugs/quirks/incompleteness AND how inappropriate it is to ship major breaking changes in a feature update. To be honest the argument that Microsoft ships feature updates this bad is inaccurate but also quite funny as a "defense."
johnebgd 5y ago
The hosts of popular gaming channel Linus Tech Tips challenged one another to switch to Linux. Maybe Windows 11 is so power user hostile and Steam Deck is the push everyone needed that 2022 will finally be the year of Desktop Linux?
- marcodiego 5y ago
  I don't think so. If Me, Vista and 8 didn't brought us that, I don't think 11 will.
  - qzw 5y ago
    I think what’s different now is that way more “mission critical” software is now web/Electron based. The lock-in just isn’t as strong as it used to be.
    - sylens 5y ago
      Yeah. 10-15 years ago, I remember that a few things were keeping me on Windows - gaming, some killer apps (iTunes support, OneNote for note taking, best in class MS Office support), and general hardware support. I now look at my Windows taskbar or macOS dock and there is pretty much nothing that I can't use on Linux. I guess there's no official Google Drive desktop client yet but there are other solutions people have recommended to me. My Spotify/VSCode/Obsidian/1Password critical stack works just fine on any platform.
- Someone1234 5y ago
  Their "Linux challenge" discussion is in the middle of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvTCc0iXGcQ&t=783s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvTCc0iXGcQ&t=783s
- MrMember 5y ago
  I think the Steam Deck will be successful using Linux but that's because it's a device designed for a specific use. As a portable device designed to play games through Steam it will excel, because Valve has put a lot of effort into making gaming on Linux "just work." As a general purpose desktop OS Linux still isn't there for most people in my opinion, as much as I want it to be. Every so often I try to make the switch to Linux full time and there's always some hitch that pushes me back to Windows. I don't even mind digging around and making changes in conf files if it will fix the problem, but I always encounter something that I consider a deal breaker where I hit a brick wall and just can't figure it out.
dataflow 5y ago
Is the DWM memory leak fixed yet? I can't tell if it's an Intel or Microsoft issue, but it's been a disgrace how long it's been broken.
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devwastaken 5y ago
The result of development driven by "group studies" and "user feedback". When you conform to the ideas of the most basic users, you get a system unfit for those that that are not browsing Facebook and playing Farmville. Windows lost 10% market share to mac and Linux since 2019. Microsoft should be firing more people and having singular leadership in direction. Make something for the developers, the graphic artists, the people that need their operating system to be apart of their work, not hinder it. This falls on deaf ears of course, Microsoft is far from saving unless something significant of top leadership gets the boot and somehow attracts a new visionary that isn't already working in greener pastures.
- marcodiego 5y ago
  > Windows lost 10% market share to mac and Linux since 2019. Sorry to sound challenging but, as linux user, I really would like a source for that.
  - devwastaken 5y ago
    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/united-states-of-america/#monthly-201701-202109 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/united-st... Sorry, 20% market share in the U.S. since 2017. Mac taking a big leap ahead.
theknocker 5y ago
It was supposed to be your turn not to be a hated tech monopoly shoving unwanted dogshit down society's throat, and you're blowing it, Microsoft.
znyboy 5y ago
I've seen a lot of complaints about the minimum requirement of TPM 2.0, and many computers not having one. In my case on a Z270 PC from 2017, a BIOS update enabled the dormant and otherwise unadvertised TPM.
codebook 5y ago
Just installed and my machine failed. cannot reboot. Had to install Windows 10 again...
davemtl 5y ago
Welp, I guess it's not for me. I'm unable to upgrade my Microsoft Service Pro (2017) as the CPU is not supported. Which is odd, the CPU is more than capable and all the other requirements are met. I get the feeling of planned obsolescence.
- _hao 5y ago
  Same, I have a i7-6600k that should be more than sufficient (there are people that have upgraded with that processor), but I really won't bother. I've been toying with the idea of going Linux full-time again. I've done that 3 times in the last ten years and I really would like to just do it once and for all. Problem is there's always something small and nagging or an update that breaks something that worked and I was back on Win... The Linux experience is just not as polished as Win/Mac unfortunately :/
worldmerge 5y ago
Windows 11 is the OS that is pushing me to go fully to Linux.
rubyist5eva 5y ago
I'm almost glad my PC doesn't support it. I have zero reason to upgrade my current setup, it doesn't look like a decent upgrade - and I'm spending most of my time in Linux based systems anyway. This might just be the push I need to just wipe this horrible software from my computer forever.
markbnj 5y ago
I won't be trying Windows 11 since my 4 year-old I7-6700 is not on the list of supported processors. Oh well.
literallyaduck 5y ago
With outages like Facebook had today, is it safe to use an operating system which disallows local accounts for nonpro versions? Not a rhetorical question.
listic 5y ago
Apparently, Windows 11' requirement of a relatively recent CPU is due to the need for TPM 2.0 https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-explains-windows-11-requirement-tpm-20 https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-explains-windows-11... Can anyone please explain what TPM (2.0) is and whether it works for or against me?
- marcodiego 5y ago
  Basically a TPM chip can be used a secure key store. This allows to use digital signatures to check if the boot chain, kernel or modules have not been tampered with.
  - userbinator 5y ago
    In practice, it's mainly used for DRM.
- rasz 5y ago
  TPM is to secure software and data from the user. You no longer own your computer.
talentedcoin 5y ago
This may sound goofy, but at least 50% of the reason I personally switched to full-time Linux this year was the shock of terror I experienced when reading about the “no more moving the taskbar” thing. As a die-hard “taskbar on-the-side” guy (mostly because of all you kids and your big widescreen monitors!) the thought of not being able to change that filled me with just enough horror to finally migrate to Fedora earlier this year. Couldn’t be happier so far - honestly I wonder now why I didn’t do it sooner.
mistergoodwin 5y ago
My anecdotal experience with 11 is it seems fine. - My mechanical engineering applications have no issues, I can do my job. - It defaulted to focus mode so there's been no distractions so far while I'm working. - Not finding any friction with the OS yet, just nice touches with UI and an overhauled settings menu that seems fairly intuitive. - The "Start menu" search seems to work much better and has always been my primary interaction with the OS, I never navigate, setup your index locations correctly and you'll never go back. Notes: I had switched to Edge back when it became Chromium based. Privacy aside, it's not IE and it works for me. I don't tweak the OS unless there is friction with getting what I need done, if my apps run it's doing its job. If I need extra functionality then an application is responsible to add it, not the OS. If you're trying to do something dramatically different to how the base OS works then obviously its not the OS for you, if you have no choice then try working with the OS and not against it. If you're trying to run old applications based on old APIs then you need an old OS don't expect them to always work in future. A lot of complaints seem to sound like people who want to use a linux-based OS but for some reason refuse to? I'm also curious what customisations are being made, are they actually functional or are you just spending too much time on r/unixporn and trying to make things pretty, please elaborate on your griefs.
lopatin 5y ago
So the Microsoft product managers got bored with the current iteration of the start menu, and decided to feed their fetish by redesigning it again, and calling it a "new era for the PC". It's like watching a mid life crisis unfold.
- dqv 5y ago
  In Windows 11, when you click the start menu, a rhombus stretching from the bottom left to the top right appears and the menu selections bounce around inside it like a DVD screen saver.
  - flud 5y ago
    Sounds hilarious, I need to see this, got a link to a video?
dnndev 5y ago
11 feels like XP with a new skin. I think they are shell shocked from vista and will never make drastic changes again. I don’t blame them vista was complete disregard for existing apps. Make a new OS without the windows debt.
- stan_rogers 5y ago
  ...and basically lose your user base - especially corporate - altogether. The ability to use existing software, often developed in-house or bespoke at "we don't want to go through that again" prices, is what keeps Windows going. Break that and nobody has any good reasons to stick with Windows anymore.
  - dnndev 5y ago
    I didn’t say you needed to get rid of windows…they can keep it steady and incremental like they are now. Have a parallel OS that pushes boundaries and can truly innovate!
    - sylens 5y ago
      I also would love to see this
- miffy900 5y ago
  > I think they are shell shocked from vista and will never make drastic changes again. Did you ever use Windows 8? Because that released in 2012, just 5 years after Vista. Drastic, un-asked for changes that ruined the user experience; hideous tablet/touch interface that was mostly unusable; sub-par touch/app development model that no one adopted. Basically it was another Vista-like release all over again.
lowlevel 5y ago
What happened to Windows 10 is the last version of Windows?
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- oneepic 5y ago
  "This will be my last drink. I can quit anytime I want."
- srgpqt 5y ago
  Moneygrab happened.
  - gruez 5y ago
    It's a free update...
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    - dagw 5y ago
      For how long? Windows 10 was also a free upgrade, until it wasn't
      - gruez 5y ago
        AFAIK you can still enter your windows 7/8 keys during installation and have it work.
    - hunta2097 5y ago
      It's free, financially. Windows 11 is Microsoft's attempt to hoover up Edge and Windows Passport evaders. It's a shame, I was just getting into Windows 10 as my personal dev desktop. I guess i'll give Ubuntu another shot.
- kivlad 5y ago
userbinator 5y ago
It's sad and ironic to see phrasing like "We’re proud that Windows 11 is the most inclusively designed version of Windows" when you're basically telling all your long-time power-users to fuck off. Then again, "inclusive" has already become a loaded doublespeak word in these times. We’ve improved the experiences for touch in Windows 11 when you’re using a tablet without a keyboard. You’ll see more space between the icons in the Taskbar What if I'm NOT using one? Thank you Microsoft, for taking away even more customisation, dumbing down the OS to new levels, and shoving more adverts in our faces. Now people have even more reasons than before to try Linux or macOS. A new era for the PC begins today You're right about that --- an even more locked-down and user-hostile (all in the name of "security", of course) era begins. As a long-time Win32 developer who started writing utilities for DOS and then moved to Win16 for a short while, the direction that Windows (and the PC platform in general) is going is really sad and horrifying to see.
- bhauer 5y ago
  I haven't tried Windows 11 yet. Is the ability to use local, non-Microsoft accounts is even further marginalized?
  - kmeisthax 5y ago
    It's a Pro feature only now.
  - Someone1234 5y ago
    To quote Microsoft[0]: > Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account. No local accounts for Home edition. As for Windows 11 Pro or above: - During Setup... - "Set up for personal use." - You'll see a "Let's add your Microsoft Account" screen. - Click "Sign-In options" (blue href) - Pick "Offline Account" - [Splash screen warning of all the joy you'll be missing out on] - Click "Limited Experience" (instead of "Next") on the Dark Pattern screen. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica...
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51 points by nilsandrey 5y ago

No thank you.

If you don't want to wait for the rollout you can install windows 11 immediately with windows 11 assistant here's the link : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11?ranMID=24542&ranEAID=nOD/rLJHOac&ranSiteID=nOD_rLJHOac-Gw78EVTtUJcGqx33C82dLw&epi=nOD_rLJHOac-Gw78EVTtUJcGqx33C82dLw&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2200057_aff_7593_1243925&tduid=%28ir__gl9unwp1i0kf6ib1cydiwswhr22xrclpf39mzkj200%29%287593%29%281243925%29%28nOD_rLJHOac-Gw78EVTtUJcGqx33C82dLw%29%28%29&irclickid=_gl9unwp1i0kf6ib1cydiwswhr22xrclpf39mzkj200 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11?...

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easton 5y ago

Not that your IT department will be letting you update today, but something to look forward to is that Teams in Windows 11 uses the shared Edge WebView runtime (replacing Electron), which means it takes around 50% of the RAM it did in Windows 10. Also, WSL graphics support (which isn't coming to Windows 10 for some reason), winget has been moved to stable (that is coming to Windows 10), and Windows Terminal is included in the box (but doesn't replace the cmd.exe or powershell.exe terminal emulator for some reason).

csande17 5y ago
Only Windows would ship three different terminal emulators in the default install...
- xxpor 5y ago
  How many are in a default Ubuntu install? At least 2.
  - herewulf 5y ago
    And none of them are legacy cruft with ass-backwards copying and pasting. The cmd.exe "terminal" needs to die.
    - itsme-alan 5y ago
      It can't because "COMPATIBILITY"
Rapzid 5y ago
Ahhh, yeah; keen on the new term. The WSL window support looks great too. I develop in Linux VMs, but my host is Windows 10 pro. Been sticking with vbox this far.
- icecap12 5y ago
  Agreed, Terminal is pretty nice for casual use.
pid-1 5y ago
My anecdotal experience is that Teams' performance still sucks. Terminal is pretty cool tho.
waych 5y ago
Neither cmd.exe nor powershell.exe are terminal emulators, rather they are both shells / scripting languages. The legacy looking crappy terminal window is usually conhost.exe. Windows has a console interface unlike that found on Unix, using APIs rather than escape sequences to interface with the console. Also, its console implementation was historically coupled tightly with the conhost.exe application, which historically is both the terminal emulator and console endpoint simultaneously. The blog series centered around https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-command-line-inside-the-windows-console/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-command-l... is the best resource I've found online that discusses Windows' legacy console support as well as some vision of how this subsystem has changed in the years since. These changes improved OS interop, but also de-couple the legacy crap so that third party terminal emulators can be better supported on Windows generally (separating the console endpoint from the terminal display), allowing for the creation of `CreatePseudoConsole()`. Prior to this, third party terminal emulators that wanted to support Windows apps had to run the legacy conhost.exe and shove the window way off the desktop (to hide), and then scrape the window for its contents. This is/was required so that the app has a console backed by a conhost.exe process (responding to the console apis). `CreatePseudoConsole()` fixes a lot of that mess.

Someone1234 5y ago

It surprises and disappoints me to see them making all of Windows Vista's mistakes again. Four months public beta wherein they fixed almost none of the major problems. Listened to almost none of the user feedback. Massive inconsistencies and half complete ideas abound. This isn't the worst Windows I've tried, but it is perhaps the worst RTM. If this was still in public beta I'd call it "serviceable" as a daily driver if you can deal with the quirks. But RTM-ing this? Shipping new computers with an even buggier build than the latest? Ouch. My barely computer-literate relatives should not walk into a Costco and out with a computer with this initial experience.

nojito 5y ago
On the flipside. I've been on Windows 11 since July and it has been great.
dangus 5y ago
Do you have any examples of specific things that aren't working for you? I don't even think Windows 11 is all that different from a regular feature update similar to the ones that Windows 10 has been receiving for years now. It has the Windows 11 name because some visible UI changes have been made. Other than that, it's really the same OS as Windows 10 in the grand scheme of things. Heck, Microsoft probably just fell into "doing whatever Apple is doing" by moving their OS from version 10 to 11 just because that's what macOS did. To me the only thing about Windows 11 that resembles Windows Vista are the vague complaints revolving around people's cheese being moved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F).
- Someone1234 5y ago
  I'd point to this thread from 10 days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pugqvj/after_3_months_whats_your_opinion_about_windows_11/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pugqvj/after_3_m... > I don't even think Windows 11 is all that different from a regular feature update similar to the ones that Windows 10 has been receiving for years now. It has the Windows 11 name because some large and obvious UI changes have been made. So it is just a regular feature update except all the big and breaking changes. I feel like this is a point that defeats itself. > only thing about Windows 11 that resembles Windows Vista are the vague complaints I was specifically referring to Microsoft shipping an OS that didn't have enough time in the public test phase and thus shipped with bugs/quirks/issues. That could refer to both Vista and 11. > If everything else was the same and this was a Windows 10 feature update instead of "Windows 11" I'd instead be lambasting it for both its bugs/quirks/incompleteness AND how inappropriate it is to ship major breaking changes in a feature update. To be honest the argument that Microsoft ships feature updates this bad is inaccurate but also quite funny as a "defense."

johnebgd 5y ago

The hosts of popular gaming channel Linus Tech Tips challenged one another to switch to Linux. Maybe Windows 11 is so power user hostile and Steam Deck is the push everyone needed that 2022 will finally be the year of Desktop Linux?

marcodiego 5y ago
I don't think so. If Me, Vista and 8 didn't brought us that, I don't think 11 will.
- qzw 5y ago
  I think what’s different now is that way more “mission critical” software is now web/Electron based. The lock-in just isn’t as strong as it used to be.
  - sylens 5y ago
    Yeah. 10-15 years ago, I remember that a few things were keeping me on Windows - gaming, some killer apps (iTunes support, OneNote for note taking, best in class MS Office support), and general hardware support. I now look at my Windows taskbar or macOS dock and there is pretty much nothing that I can't use on Linux. I guess there's no official Google Drive desktop client yet but there are other solutions people have recommended to me. My Spotify/VSCode/Obsidian/1Password critical stack works just fine on any platform.
Someone1234 5y ago
Their "Linux challenge" discussion is in the middle of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvTCc0iXGcQ&t=783s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvTCc0iXGcQ&t=783s
MrMember 5y ago
I think the Steam Deck will be successful using Linux but that's because it's a device designed for a specific use. As a portable device designed to play games through Steam it will excel, because Valve has put a lot of effort into making gaming on Linux "just work." As a general purpose desktop OS Linux still isn't there for most people in my opinion, as much as I want it to be. Every so often I try to make the switch to Linux full time and there's always some hitch that pushes me back to Windows. I don't even mind digging around and making changes in conf files if it will fix the problem, but I always encounter something that I consider a deal breaker where I hit a brick wall and just can't figure it out.

dataflow 5y ago

Is the DWM memory leak fixed yet? I can't tell if it's an Intel or Microsoft issue, but it's been a disgrace how long it's been broken.

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devwastaken 5y ago

The result of development driven by "group studies" and "user feedback". When you conform to the ideas of the most basic users, you get a system unfit for those that that are not browsing Facebook and playing Farmville. Windows lost 10% market share to mac and Linux since 2019. Microsoft should be firing more people and having singular leadership in direction. Make something for the developers, the graphic artists, the people that need their operating system to be apart of their work, not hinder it. This falls on deaf ears of course, Microsoft is far from saving unless something significant of top leadership gets the boot and somehow attracts a new visionary that isn't already working in greener pastures.

marcodiego 5y ago
> Windows lost 10% market share to mac and Linux since 2019. Sorry to sound challenging but, as linux user, I really would like a source for that.
- devwastaken 5y ago
  https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/united-states-of-america/#monthly-201701-202109 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/united-st... Sorry, 20% market share in the U.S. since 2017. Mac taking a big leap ahead.

theknocker 5y ago

It was supposed to be your turn not to be a hated tech monopoly shoving unwanted dogshit down society's throat, and you're blowing it, Microsoft.

znyboy 5y ago

I've seen a lot of complaints about the minimum requirement of TPM 2.0, and many computers not having one. In my case on a Z270 PC from 2017, a BIOS update enabled the dormant and otherwise unadvertised TPM.

codebook 5y ago

Just installed and my machine failed. cannot reboot. Had to install Windows 10 again...

davemtl 5y ago

Welp, I guess it's not for me. I'm unable to upgrade my Microsoft Service Pro (2017) as the CPU is not supported. Which is odd, the CPU is more than capable and all the other requirements are met. I get the feeling of planned obsolescence.

_hao 5y ago
Same, I have a i7-6600k that should be more than sufficient (there are people that have upgraded with that processor), but I really won't bother. I've been toying with the idea of going Linux full-time again. I've done that 3 times in the last ten years and I really would like to just do it once and for all. Problem is there's always something small and nagging or an update that breaks something that worked and I was back on Win... The Linux experience is just not as polished as Win/Mac unfortunately :/

worldmerge 5y ago

Windows 11 is the OS that is pushing me to go fully to Linux.

rubyist5eva 5y ago

I'm almost glad my PC doesn't support it. I have zero reason to upgrade my current setup, it doesn't look like a decent upgrade - and I'm spending most of my time in Linux based systems anyway. This might just be the push I need to just wipe this horrible software from my computer forever.

markbnj 5y ago

I won't be trying Windows 11 since my 4 year-old I7-6700 is not on the list of supported processors. Oh well.

literallyaduck 5y ago

With outages like Facebook had today, is it safe to use an operating system which disallows local accounts for nonpro versions? Not a rhetorical question.

listic 5y ago

Apparently, Windows 11' requirement of a relatively recent CPU is due to the need for TPM 2.0 https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-explains-windows-11-requirement-tpm-20 https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-explains-windows-11... Can anyone please explain what TPM (2.0) is and whether it works for or against me?

marcodiego 5y ago
Basically a TPM chip can be used a secure key store. This allows to use digital signatures to check if the boot chain, kernel or modules have not been tampered with.
- userbinator 5y ago
  In practice, it's mainly used for DRM.
rasz 5y ago
TPM is to secure software and data from the user. You no longer own your computer.

talentedcoin 5y ago

This may sound goofy, but at least 50% of the reason I personally switched to full-time Linux this year was the shock of terror I experienced when reading about the “no more moving the taskbar” thing. As a die-hard “taskbar on-the-side” guy (mostly because of all you kids and your big widescreen monitors!) the thought of not being able to change that filled me with just enough horror to finally migrate to Fedora earlier this year. Couldn’t be happier so far - honestly I wonder now why I didn’t do it sooner.

mistergoodwin 5y ago

My anecdotal experience with 11 is it seems fine. - My mechanical engineering applications have no issues, I can do my job. - It defaulted to focus mode so there's been no distractions so far while I'm working. - Not finding any friction with the OS yet, just nice touches with UI and an overhauled settings menu that seems fairly intuitive. - The "Start menu" search seems to work much better and has always been my primary interaction with the OS, I never navigate, setup your index locations correctly and you'll never go back. Notes: I had switched to Edge back when it became Chromium based. Privacy aside, it's not IE and it works for me. I don't tweak the OS unless there is friction with getting what I need done, if my apps run it's doing its job. If I need extra functionality then an application is responsible to add it, not the OS. If you're trying to do something dramatically different to how the base OS works then obviously its not the OS for you, if you have no choice then try working with the OS and not against it. If you're trying to run old applications based on old APIs then you need an old OS don't expect them to always work in future. A lot of complaints seem to sound like people who want to use a linux-based OS but for some reason refuse to? I'm also curious what customisations are being made, are they actually functional or are you just spending too much time on r/unixporn and trying to make things pretty, please elaborate on your griefs.

lopatin 5y ago

So the Microsoft product managers got bored with the current iteration of the start menu, and decided to feed their fetish by redesigning it again, and calling it a "new era for the PC". It's like watching a mid life crisis unfold.

dqv 5y ago
In Windows 11, when you click the start menu, a rhombus stretching from the bottom left to the top right appears and the menu selections bounce around inside it like a DVD screen saver.
- flud 5y ago
  Sounds hilarious, I need to see this, got a link to a video?

dnndev 5y ago

11 feels like XP with a new skin. I think they are shell shocked from vista and will never make drastic changes again. I don’t blame them vista was complete disregard for existing apps. Make a new OS without the windows debt.

stan_rogers 5y ago
...and basically lose your user base - especially corporate - altogether. The ability to use existing software, often developed in-house or bespoke at "we don't want to go through that again" prices, is what keeps Windows going. Break that and nobody has any good reasons to stick with Windows anymore.
- dnndev 5y ago
  I didn’t say you needed to get rid of windows…they can keep it steady and incremental like they are now. Have a parallel OS that pushes boundaries and can truly innovate!
  - sylens 5y ago
    I also would love to see this
miffy900 5y ago
> I think they are shell shocked from vista and will never make drastic changes again. Did you ever use Windows 8? Because that released in 2012, just 5 years after Vista. Drastic, un-asked for changes that ruined the user experience; hideous tablet/touch interface that was mostly unusable; sub-par touch/app development model that no one adopted. Basically it was another Vista-like release all over again.

lowlevel 5y ago

What happened to Windows 10 is the last version of Windows?

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oneepic 5y ago
"This will be my last drink. I can quit anytime I want."
srgpqt 5y ago
Moneygrab happened.
- gruez 5y ago
  It's a free update...
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  - dagw 5y ago
    For how long? Windows 10 was also a free upgrade, until it wasn't
    - gruez 5y ago
      AFAIK you can still enter your windows 7/8 keys during installation and have it work.
  - hunta2097 5y ago
    It's free, financially. Windows 11 is Microsoft's attempt to hoover up Edge and Windows Passport evaders. It's a shame, I was just getting into Windows 10 as my personal dev desktop. I guess i'll give Ubuntu another shot.
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userbinator 5y ago

It's sad and ironic to see phrasing like "We’re proud that Windows 11 is the most inclusively designed version of Windows" when you're basically telling all your long-time power-users to fuck off. Then again, "inclusive" has already become a loaded doublespeak word in these times. We’ve improved the experiences for touch in Windows 11 when you’re using a tablet without a keyboard. You’ll see more space between the icons in the Taskbar What if I'm NOT using one? Thank you Microsoft, for taking away even more customisation, dumbing down the OS to new levels, and shoving more adverts in our faces. Now people have even more reasons than before to try Linux or macOS. A new era for the PC begins today You're right about that --- an even more locked-down and user-hostile (all in the name of "security", of course) era begins. As a long-time Win32 developer who started writing utilities for DOS and then moved to Win16 for a short while, the direction that Windows (and the PC platform in general) is going is really sad and horrifying to see.

bhauer 5y ago
I haven't tried Windows 11 yet. Is the ability to use local, non-Microsoft accounts is even further marginalized?
- kmeisthax 5y ago
  It's a Pro feature only now.
- Someone1234 5y ago
  To quote Microsoft[0]: > Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account. No local accounts for Home edition. As for Windows 11 Pro or above: - During Setup... - "Set up for personal use." - You'll see a "Let's add your Microsoft Account" screen. - Click "Sign-In options" (blue href) - Pick "Offline Account" - [Splash screen warning of all the joy you'll be missing out on] - Click "Limited Experience" (instead of "Next") on the Dark Pattern screen. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica...
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