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Movie Review: Musk

49 points by andsoitis 6d ago

catigula 6d ago
>More than 60 fatalities have been linked to Tesla’s driver-assistance systems. Talk about something that could put a dent in your image! That seems pretty low? Driving is extremely dangerous.
- blakesterz 6d ago
  This site has numbers and sources: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/
  - darkstar_16 6d ago
    2013-2025 and only 2 linked to FSD ? The rest are human errors ? FSD sounds better than human drivers just going by that data. How many people have, for example, BMW killed in 12 years ?
    - bakies 6d ago
      "FSD has detected the car is about to crash, please take over control"
    - enragedcacti 6d ago
      They are all "human errors" since FSD and Autopilot are supervised systems, which is why statistics like these can't be used to make claims like "FSD sounds better than human drivers". At best, you could claim that [Autopilot|FSD]+supervision is better than a human driver, but even then there a a huge number of other variables to consider, e.g.: 'human only engages FSD when they are confident it will handle situation safely'->'artificially high miles/crash for FSD'
      - testing22321 6d ago
        The great thing about robotaxi is we’ll get the real data. There will be no hiding when one seriously crashes and eventually kills someone. Then we’ll get facts about deaths per miles driven etc.
- yostrovs 6d ago
  Yes and "linked" is a weasel word to imply something without making a definite statement for which there's no proof.
- raincole 6d ago
  It is. However, "Tesla statistically saved lifes" doesn't make an exciting news article.
  - kennywinker 6d ago
    Except absolute numbers are meaningless. You need to know driving hours or miles to know the scale. E.g. deaths per 100,000mi or deaths per 100,000hrs.
testing22321 6d ago
> you see that he’s a creator of mirages who promises more than he delivers There is no doubt he has promised many things that have never been delivered, or delivered extremely late. He (his companies/teams) have also utterly changed the space launch landscape to the point of making the rest of the world irrelevant. Changed the energy market across the globe, delivered exceptional electric vehicles and (finally) put a car on the road for public use with no mirrors, steering wheel or pedals. The production line is also world leading, as stated by every auto CEO that has toured it. Does he over promise and exaggerate? Undoubtedly. But he does also deliver.
- bix6 6d ago
  Ok and how about his character as a human being?
  - testing22321 6d ago
    I’ve never met the guy, but many reports are very bad.
- pavel_lishin 6d ago
  > He (his companies/teams) have also utterly changed the space launch landscape to the point of making the rest of the world irrelevant For now. Other countries are catching up, same as they are with electric vehicles.
  - testing22321 6d ago
    News at 10: future products will surpass current products. That is always true, in every industry.
    - perilunar 6d ago
      until your civilisation collapses, then it stops being true.
  - dzhiurgis 5d ago
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bix6 6d ago
Monster.
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michael0church 6d ago
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- pavel_lishin 6d ago
  > Most CEOs want to make real changes. He just let smart people do great work so he could be on (and eventually buy) Twitter. I'm not sure that's the case: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/elon-musk-s-twitter-obsession-hurts-tesla-much-more-than-spacex https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/elon-musk... > When Musk is hyper-focused on daily operations, it can often lead to extra work — he’s inserted himself in projects and demanded changes for sometimes arbitrary reasons, former employees say. > For instance, current and former employees describe times that Musk has deemed certain hardware as having too many tubes, connectors, or wires, or just not generally fitting his preferred design aesthetic. He’s demanded that employees rework and simplify systems, leading employees to spend time justifying why certain parts exist or triggering major redesigns and work that can take weeks to accomplish. Sometimes, that work ultimately has to be reversed when components that were discarded ultimately are needed for the final design.
  - 2PqboPPmKegvanx 6d ago
    CEOs who act the way he does are horrible CEOs 100% of the time - doesn't matter if the company has 10, 100 or 100,000 employees.
  - simondotau 6d ago
    Musk has said as much himself, adding: "You may have to add [parts or processes] back later. In fact, if you do not end up adding back at least 10% of them, then you didn't delete enough."
unethical_ban 6d ago
SpaceX is amazing, and he may receive due credit for the "vision" of pushing forward the state of the art in electric vehicles and rockets. We (society) often glosses over personal failings of popular figures. But given the level of outright lies he has funded in elections and how much money he has spent to get anti-democracy politicians in power in the US, one should not waver in their condemnation of the man's character.
- Zigurd 6d ago
  Fascism and racism are more than personal failings when you splash around hundreds of millions of dollars to, for example, get neofascists elected in a German state.
  - unethical_ban 6d ago
    Glad we agree. I can't tell if I'm being downvoted by anti-Musk people who didn't read the whole comment, or pro-Musk people mad that I called him out for funding disinformation campaigns.
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- nancyminusone 6d ago
  Musk has pulled off a reverse von Braun. Von Braun was a Nazi who used slave labor, but whose past was overshadowed by later building cool rockets. Musk built cool rockets, but his past has been overshadowed by association with similarly evil people.
spottedmarley 6d ago
That Musk dude needs a hobby.
- simonebrunozzi 6d ago
  Apparently, he has at least one. [0] [0]: https://babynames.com/blogs/celebrities/all-of-elon-musks-children-so-far https://babynames.com/blogs/celebrities/all-of-elon-musks-ch...
serf 6d ago
3 hrs and 52 minutes of Musk. I didn't even want to sit in front of a screen for 2 hours for Bob Dylan, sheesh.
- MagaMusk 6d ago
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  - hyperhello 6d ago
    We don't need novelty accounts here.
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- moritzwarhier 6d ago
  I do believe though, the difference between the two is probably marginal when it comes to narcissism. I mean, it's OK, artists need to have some of that trait. Just coincides that neither of the two have created anything beautiful, at least in my mind. Unless of course, you consider money and fame beautiful in themselves.
  - perilunar 6d ago
    Dylan: I don't like his singing, but some of his songs are quite beautiful. Musk: The Tesla S and 3 are quite good looking cars. Much better than most of the 'blobs' on the road. The X and Y are a bit chunky. Cybertruck is ugly but audacious. And rockets are beautiful, even the ugly ones. Watching them launch, and watching the boosters land, is awesome.
    - moritzwarhier 5d ago
      Ah, I shouldn't have commented this way. It is an inflammatory topic and my comment was also needlessly emotional. What I wanted to say though is that I in fact do not find any of Bob Dylans music beautiful, not what you wrote. To me, what I said about Dylan applies to cars as well, regardless of them being by Tesla or not. But it's absolutely pointless to discuss public figures in a such an emotional way on HN, so my bad. Regardless of whether you find rocket launches or cars or Bob Dylan songs beautiful. And Musk,.. whatever I'd have to say about him (not much tbh), doesn't fall under the discussion topics that made me join HN. I do read political and social discussions here. But stating or reading opinions about Elon Musk is not really a thing that makes HN interesting for me, so I'll refrain from engaging in threads like this in the future.
ChrisArchitect 6d ago
Between this and the Elizabeth Holmes one, just adding to the 'positive' Silicon Valley/tech/VC public marketing right now... /s (Nathan Fielder's Elizabeth Holmes Doc Met with Shock and Awe at Secret Screening https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49613598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49613598)
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49 points by andsoitis 6d ago

>More than 60 fatalities have been linked to Tesla’s driver-assistance systems. Talk about something that could put a dent in your image! That seems pretty low? Driving is extremely dangerous.

blakesterz 6d ago
This site has numbers and sources: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/
- darkstar_16 6d ago
  2013-2025 and only 2 linked to FSD ? The rest are human errors ? FSD sounds better than human drivers just going by that data. How many people have, for example, BMW killed in 12 years ?
  - bakies 6d ago
    "FSD has detected the car is about to crash, please take over control"
  - enragedcacti 6d ago
    They are all "human errors" since FSD and Autopilot are supervised systems, which is why statistics like these can't be used to make claims like "FSD sounds better than human drivers". At best, you could claim that [Autopilot|FSD]+supervision is better than a human driver, but even then there a a huge number of other variables to consider, e.g.: 'human only engages FSD when they are confident it will handle situation safely'->'artificially high miles/crash for FSD'
    - testing22321 6d ago
      The great thing about robotaxi is we’ll get the real data. There will be no hiding when one seriously crashes and eventually kills someone. Then we’ll get facts about deaths per miles driven etc.
yostrovs 6d ago
Yes and "linked" is a weasel word to imply something without making a definite statement for which there's no proof.
raincole 6d ago
It is. However, "Tesla statistically saved lifes" doesn't make an exciting news article.
- kennywinker 6d ago
  Except absolute numbers are meaningless. You need to know driving hours or miles to know the scale. E.g. deaths per 100,000mi or deaths per 100,000hrs.

testing22321 6d ago

> you see that he’s a creator of mirages who promises more than he delivers There is no doubt he has promised many things that have never been delivered, or delivered extremely late. He (his companies/teams) have also utterly changed the space launch landscape to the point of making the rest of the world irrelevant. Changed the energy market across the globe, delivered exceptional electric vehicles and (finally) put a car on the road for public use with no mirrors, steering wheel or pedals. The production line is also world leading, as stated by every auto CEO that has toured it. Does he over promise and exaggerate? Undoubtedly. But he does also deliver.

bix6 6d ago
Ok and how about his character as a human being?
- testing22321 6d ago
  I’ve never met the guy, but many reports are very bad.
pavel_lishin 6d ago
> He (his companies/teams) have also utterly changed the space launch landscape to the point of making the rest of the world irrelevant For now. Other countries are catching up, same as they are with electric vehicles.
- testing22321 6d ago
  News at 10: future products will surpass current products. That is always true, in every industry.
  - perilunar 6d ago
    until your civilisation collapses, then it stops being true.
- dzhiurgis 5d ago

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bix6 6d ago

Monster.

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michael0church 6d ago

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pavel_lishin 6d ago
> Most CEOs want to make real changes. He just let smart people do great work so he could be on (and eventually buy) Twitter. I'm not sure that's the case: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/elon-musk-s-twitter-obsession-hurts-tesla-much-more-than-spacex https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/elon-musk... > When Musk is hyper-focused on daily operations, it can often lead to extra work — he’s inserted himself in projects and demanded changes for sometimes arbitrary reasons, former employees say. > For instance, current and former employees describe times that Musk has deemed certain hardware as having too many tubes, connectors, or wires, or just not generally fitting his preferred design aesthetic. He’s demanded that employees rework and simplify systems, leading employees to spend time justifying why certain parts exist or triggering major redesigns and work that can take weeks to accomplish. Sometimes, that work ultimately has to be reversed when components that were discarded ultimately are needed for the final design.
- 2PqboPPmKegvanx 6d ago
  CEOs who act the way he does are horrible CEOs 100% of the time - doesn't matter if the company has 10, 100 or 100,000 employees.
- simondotau 6d ago
  Musk has said as much himself, adding: "You may have to add [parts or processes] back later. In fact, if you do not end up adding back at least 10% of them, then you didn't delete enough."

unethical_ban 6d ago

SpaceX is amazing, and he may receive due credit for the "vision" of pushing forward the state of the art in electric vehicles and rockets. We (society) often glosses over personal failings of popular figures. But given the level of outright lies he has funded in elections and how much money he has spent to get anti-democracy politicians in power in the US, one should not waver in their condemnation of the man's character.

Zigurd 6d ago
Fascism and racism are more than personal failings when you splash around hundreds of millions of dollars to, for example, get neofascists elected in a German state.
- unethical_ban 6d ago
  Glad we agree. I can't tell if I'm being downvoted by anti-Musk people who didn't read the whole comment, or pro-Musk people mad that I called him out for funding disinformation campaigns.
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nancyminusone 6d ago
Musk has pulled off a reverse von Braun. Von Braun was a Nazi who used slave labor, but whose past was overshadowed by later building cool rockets. Musk built cool rockets, but his past has been overshadowed by association with similarly evil people.

spottedmarley 6d ago

That Musk dude needs a hobby.

simonebrunozzi 6d ago
Apparently, he has at least one. [0] [0]: https://babynames.com/blogs/celebrities/all-of-elon-musks-children-so-far https://babynames.com/blogs/celebrities/all-of-elon-musks-ch...

serf 6d ago

3 hrs and 52 minutes of Musk. I didn't even want to sit in front of a screen for 2 hours for Bob Dylan, sheesh.

MagaMusk 6d ago
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- hyperhello 6d ago
  We don't need novelty accounts here.
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moritzwarhier 6d ago
I do believe though, the difference between the two is probably marginal when it comes to narcissism. I mean, it's OK, artists need to have some of that trait. Just coincides that neither of the two have created anything beautiful, at least in my mind. Unless of course, you consider money and fame beautiful in themselves.
- perilunar 6d ago
  Dylan: I don't like his singing, but some of his songs are quite beautiful. Musk: The Tesla S and 3 are quite good looking cars. Much better than most of the 'blobs' on the road. The X and Y are a bit chunky. Cybertruck is ugly but audacious. And rockets are beautiful, even the ugly ones. Watching them launch, and watching the boosters land, is awesome.
  - moritzwarhier 5d ago
    Ah, I shouldn't have commented this way. It is an inflammatory topic and my comment was also needlessly emotional. What I wanted to say though is that I in fact do not find any of Bob Dylans music beautiful, not what you wrote. To me, what I said about Dylan applies to cars as well, regardless of them being by Tesla or not. But it's absolutely pointless to discuss public figures in a such an emotional way on HN, so my bad. Regardless of whether you find rocket launches or cars or Bob Dylan songs beautiful. And Musk,.. whatever I'd have to say about him (not much tbh), doesn't fall under the discussion topics that made me join HN. I do read political and social discussions here. But stating or reading opinions about Elon Musk is not really a thing that makes HN interesting for me, so I'll refrain from engaging in threads like this in the future.

ChrisArchitect 6d ago

Between this and the Elizabeth Holmes one, just adding to the 'positive' Silicon Valley/tech/VC public marketing right now... /s (Nathan Fielder's Elizabeth Holmes Doc Met with Shock and Awe at Secret Screening https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49613598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49613598)

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