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An overview of how our family is prepared

33 points by surprisetalk 8d ago

scrumper 8d ago
How do you keep the drinking water actually drinkable over any time period? Anything stored gets nasty.
- zikduruqe 8d ago
  Every daylight savings time, I rotate my stored water. I empty out my containers, refilling them with, then add 7 drops of bleach per gallon. * Edit * I've been asked before what the best survival book is. Honestly, it is One Second After by William R. Forstchen. It's probably the best description scenario that could occur. It is not those regurgitated line drawings that everyone copies from Euell Gibbons, or rehashed rule of 3's survival books.
  - senordevnyc 8d ago
    I really like the daylight savings thing.
    - zikduruqe 8d ago
      We've been trained to do this activity twice a year. Why not add a couple of more checkboxes? - Check the air pressure of your spare tire in your vehicles - Take inventory of your home - Test your sump pump .. .. I have a small checklist, but those are some examples.
      - balfirevic 8d ago
        LOL, I often don't even bother to adjust my clocks for daylight savings time.
- madaxe_again 8d ago
  You don’t. You have RO at the point of consumption. At any rate, it’s our approach, we store 150,000L in a cistern over the winter and use it through the summer. An under-the-counter domestic RO system can be had for like $200, the membranes last about a year with our usage, and are like $15 a pop. Post-RO storage tank UV block too because I like belts and braces. Non-potable just goes through the usual barrels full of sand and biochar, and doesn’t need further treatment.
- micromacrofoot 8d ago
  Many houses have hot water heaters, which IMO is plenty for most people and the water naturally gets replaced through normal use.
  - quickthrowman 8d ago
    Hot water heaters don’t heat water enough to kill bacteria and also they’re absolutely disgusting inside unless you’re one of the rare 0.1% of people who drain it annually and replace the sacrificial anode when it needs replacing. Don’t drink from the hot water tap.
    - micromacrofoot 8d ago
      Cold water from the tap also doesn't kill bacteria, so the same common sense follows... boil it if you're unfamiliar with the source. Don't drink it hot if you think you may have lead pipes. It's not really disgusting inside, mostly just filled with sediment... which is coming from your water source anyway. Same story, filter and boil as needed. Either way, much easier than maintaining potable water for the rest of your life for an event that might not ever happen. We haven't had such an event in my area for 100 years. In a pinch with a little boiling you've probably got something in the area of 40-50 gallons available this way.
- throw0101d 8d ago
  You rotate it every ~6 months: * https://www.cdc.gov/water-emergency/about/how-to-create-and-store-an-emergency-water-supply.html https://www.cdc.gov/water-emergency/about/how-to-create-and-... The old stuff can be used to water house plants or your garden. If you have advanced warning of an event (e.g., hurricane), you can also fill up a large reserve 'just in time': * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/waterbob-bathtub-liner-review/ https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/waterbob-bathtub-liner-rev...
- throw93947309 8d ago
  At the condo, I just rotate pet bottles. They are quite fimr for like a month, outside of direct sunlight. And water can be always treated to make it drinkable again.
qrush 8d ago
I barely am able to plan groceries for a few days to a week ahead, especially with two middle schoolers eating everything in sight. While I would agree with the sentiment (definitely something will disrupt heat/water/food access), I struggle with actually executing on doing anything other than having some real basics around. 30 days of spare food feels like such an enormous amount of space and material.
- myself248 8d ago
  Mine is just a shelf of Chef Boyardee and Campbell's. I eat one or two a week as regular lunches, to rotate stock. When there's some room at the empty end of the shelf, I shove everything down, and buy some new cans to stuff in at the intake end. It takes no more time than going to the pantry for a can of soup regularly would. And saves time, because I'm _never_ out and scrambling to find another option. Whether I'm 8 cans down or 24, one trip to the store will replenish it regardless. Don't overcomplicate it. Folks who blog about things tend to do so because they're proud they achieved something difficult, so you compare yourself to a difficult standard. Resist that.
  - leetrout 8d ago
    This is the way. And I have no shame when I warm up a can of ravioli in the microwave at coworking. Even though the campbell's exec declared it "poor food" the jazzy jambalaya has replaced our instant pot recipe. We buy two cans of it, add a package of microwaveable ready rice and have decent (although very carb and sodium heavy) dinner in ~3 minutes. It also cooks up great in a small pot on a pocket rocket and tastes great right of the can as far as it being suitable for emergency food.
- throw0101d 8d ago
  > 30 days of spare food feels like such an enormous amount of space and material. Freeze dried stuff can be sit on a cool, dark shelf for a decade or two; a popular company: * https://mountainhouse.com/ https://mountainhouse.com/ Also need to have a source of water and a way to boil it.
- senordevnyc 8d ago
bumblehean 8d ago
I'm reminded of a book I read a few years ago, Notes from an Apocalypse by Mark O'Connell, which discusses (among other things) the phenomenon of "prepper" culture.
ajkjk 8d ago
They keep saying 'we' and 'our' but I'm pretty sure this is an 'I' and 'my' thing.
- CommieBobDole 8d ago
  What do you mean? I assume the "we" and "our" refers to the author and his wife.
throwitaway222 8d ago
I used to be a prepper, but have decided that moving remote is the only thing I'm willing to do anymore. If the world's population really does drop 99% from something, the person that kills me will be me. Totally hoping something like that doesn't happen.
- bluGill 8d ago
  If the world's population drops 99% odds are you are in the 99% not here anymore.
  - throwitaway222 8d ago
    Probably. I'm probably in a survival area if it reduced by 85%.
infecto 8d ago
This is a sensible type of prepping. Prep for the things you will most likely face and some outliers within your geography. I myself could never understand the years worth of food types of folks. If things breakdown that much I don’t know much that food is going to matter.
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- bluGill 8d ago
  Even if things do break down such that you need years of food people have the wrong things. You don't need gas for your generator, you need to learn how to live like 500 years ago - without all that. Have enough food to last until next spring, and enough seeds and farming knowledge (which you can get from a few books that you read after the disaster) that you can continue to live off of your garden. As I said elsewhere, make sure you can share knowledge and work with other survivors. A community of people with various skills (even if you give them the book and they learn it) makes survival a lot easier. Maybe your garden fails, but if you have a few other people you work with you can support each other and everybody lives.
  - zephyrthenoble 8d ago
    But how do people realistically prep for this? Not a historian, but in my understanding, when major metropolitan areas devolved, people had to spread out significantly in order to restart the agrarian lifestyle that could sustain them without the complicated "modern" economy. This isn't feasible for cities like New York or Tokyo, and those people are not able to purchase a homestead and stock it with these things ahead of time for a hypothetical situation. It feels like you're suggesting prepping for a Shit Hits the Fan type scenario, which the OP post explicitly says is unreasonable. It postulates a world where most people would starve because growing plants to survive through a year is extremely difficult if you don't have any experience doing it, assuming you have enough land time and other resources to even do it properly. And I guess I just doubt that a box of seeds and a willingness to share your garden would see you through the year. You would need a whole lot of luck.
comrade1234 8d ago
I'm in Switzerland and hadn't ever experienced a power outage in the 13 years I had been here but when Russia invaded Ukraine there was talk of intermittent rolling blackouts. They never happened but just in case I bought an ups for my home Ubuntu server and to my great surprise we had a blackout! There was a problem with a high-voltage power line coming from the mountains to my part of Zurich. I happened to be in the cellar where I keep my server when it happened. The lights went out and I was in complete darkness other than the lights on the server and drives. I got my phone flashlight working and looked at the screen on the ups. It was working perfectly - the server was running and the amount of minutes remaining was dropping until there was five minutes left and my server initiated shutdown. Later that day when the power came back on the server booted back up. So I'm a prepper too.
throw0101d 8d ago
September is (US) National Preparedness Month: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Preparedness_Month https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Preparedness_Month General guidelines to have a decent pantry, someway to cook things, some spare water, a way to heat your home if you're in a place that has winter, a source of emergency lighting: * https://www.ready.gov https://www.ready.gov * https://getprepared.ca https://getprepared.ca Zombie apocalypses are a fun meme, but a broken city water main or an ice storm can be quite disruptive.
- blooalien 8d ago
  > Zombie apocalypses are a fun meme ... A) Not really that much fun (as evidenced by how shitty life gets for pretty much everyone in "The Walking Dead"). ;) B) In my mind "The Zombie Apocalypse" has always just been an amusing way to generically refer to whatever future real "apocalypse" might happen to occur (eg; broken water main, ice storm, etc).
  - bluGill 8d ago
    "The Walking Dead" is completely fun. It is fiction, and like most fiction not everybody enjoys it, nothing wrong with that (I haven't seen it myself but I suspect I wouldn't enjoy it). However your lack of enjoyment doesn't change that it is fun for other people and that is why they watch it.
    - mrbombastic 6d ago
      Fun to watch, not fun to live is what i believe the parent is referring to.
  - VCFundedGenYer 8d ago
    Kind reminder that zombies are not real and you should understand that you are critiquing an entertainment product.
walthamstow 8d ago
Holding 35L of water for 2 weeks drinking and 25L for 3 days flushing seems a bit out of whack
- comrade1234 8d ago
  Technically that's 60L for flushing.
- cschneid 8d ago
  Why? Water for flushing is nice for hygiene in the most common case of short outages. And there's very little storage annoyance - heck if you need a bucket for a project, you dump it out and fill it back up from the hose when done. Drinking water requires more expensive containers, and some thinking around keeping it fresh (rotation & potentially some chemical additives like bleach).
- bluGill 8d ago
  Not really. Not being able to flush is annoying, but you can do that outside. There are some health risks but they are manageable (human waste carries pathogens). 3 days is a very long disaster: if things are that bad you need to start activating other plans anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if where he lives he can just go to a nearby stream and refill his flush water anytime he wants. Water is critical to life and so you want to be sure civilization won't return before you risk drinking random water. That said, I'd keep a camping water treatment instead (there are lots of options) since they take up less space.
CodingJeebus 8d ago
A major hurricane hit my community in the US not too long ago, hundreds dead, a tremendous amount of the community destroyed. We had no water, power, or telecommunications for several days, no way to reach the outside world until the nearby cell towers came back online unless you had Starlink. In those early days post storm, I had neighbors regularly knocking on my door to make sure I was OK and I had enough food and water to get through the day. Since we had no internet, everyone was outside talking to each other, walking around and checking in. And we had huge cookouts at the houses with gas stoves so we could cook the perishable stuff before it went bad. Curfew was strict and law enforcement was everywhere, armed National Guard protected the grocery stores from looting. It was a traumatic experience in some ways. I knew people that lost everything, had friends pulling bodies out of the river, sharing stories I never thought I'd hear in my life. But the community came together, and never once did I think "man I really wish I got into prepper culture". I personally think it's insane to believe that someone could survive a major event like that completely independent of the community. Humanity got to where it is today because of community, not in spite of it. And prepper culture ignores all of that through it's "can't depend on anyone" ethos. I personally find it really sad.
- throw0101d 8d ago
  > We had no water, power, or telecommunications for several days, no way to reach the outside world until the nearby cell towers came back online unless you had Starlink. Amateur ("ham") radio can be handy. If you don't want to go to the effort to get a radio, a receive-only AM/FM crank/solar radio can be handy to get news.
- sgt101 8d ago
  Absolutely reliably the best way to increase your chance of survival in a situation like this is to have good relations with your neighbours in a good community with high trust. A large number of people working together will be much more likely to find solutions than a few isolated individuals. The isolated individuals may have disproportionately large survival resources, but probably not for long. If you are in the caring-is-sharing group you will have a much better chance than being in the me-me-bang-oh-shit group. But there are a lot of people who fear community solidarity because it might lead to people asking questions about private jets and beach condos.
nemomarx 8d ago
> We have a strong preference for sheltering in place, so we do not have a go bag or anything like that. We'd shelter in place because that's where all our preps are! I don't totally understand this because quite a lot of disasters or threats will mean you can't shelter in place? Even if it's not your main thing to plan for how can a threat model just rule out wildfires, massive flooding, a hurricane or so on.
- bluGill 8d ago
  He lives in Washington. His likely disasters are not ones that mean move. Maybe a wildfire - some parts of Washington get fires, but they don't get hurricanes, and most are not subject to flooding (though this depends on where you live, one block down the street might be a problem - if he lives on the top of the hill is plans should be those living near the bottom shelter at his house). Plan for the disasters that are likely where you are. I have plans for a tornado - I shelter in my basement until it blows over, and then the next morning the police will help me get to a hotel (tornadoes are to sudden too evacuate in time, but small enough that the local hotels have extra room). I don't have plans for a hurricane because the closest I get to a hurricane is when the weather reports the minor rain we are seeing is what is left of a major hurricane a week ago.
  - gabrielsroka 8d ago
    > Washington Virginia
    - bluGill 7d ago
      I must have misunderstood. The climate is different between the twos, but a surprising amount of what I wrote happens to apply to both anyway. Even where what I wrote doesn't apply the idea still does: prepare for what happens where you are.
- pjc50 8d ago
  Prepping should be local. Here in Scotland the things I would prioritize are snowstorms (once had food delivery to supermarkets delayed for several days) and high winds (friend was without power for six days). Here we don't get true hurricanes or tornadoes, and the high winds events have been shelter in place events. Some places in the UK might have to start worrying more about wildfires. Flooding is definitely on the rise. (UK flooding is nearly always "you can save a lot of expensive damage with careful sandbagging" rather than "entire building swept away", though)
bluGill 8d ago
The most important preparation: be friendly enough with your neighbors that you look out for each other. You can hate each other in general: so long as you won't allow looters in the neighborhood, and you can force yourself to get along enough to share/divide labor (in whatever way it turns out you need). In the worst disasters preppers prepare for - odds are they die, so make sure your neighbors know what plans you have, if you die (or just you are out of town on vacation) your preparation can save someone else's life.
- throw93947309 8d ago
  So my neighbours hate me, but somehow major disaster changes that? > won't allow looters in the neighborhood My neighbours will be the first one to "equally share" everything I have with random junkies. > if you die ... your preparation can save someone else's life. Yeah, my neighbours make sure I die, and my stash will save their life.
  - triceratops 8d ago
    > So my neighbours hate me, but somehow major disaster changes that? Yes. Shared adversity tends to unite, not divide. > My neighbours will be the first one to "equally share" everything I have with random junkies. I guarantee you they won't, just out of self-preservation. They'd rather have you than "random junkies" or a trashed house next door.
  - bryanlarsen 8d ago
    For the most part, looters are thieves of opportunity. They'll take the stuff that's easy to take and won't risk a confrontation. It's like the parable of outrunning the bear: you don't have to be completely looter proof, you just have to be a harder target than the next block over. Most of the time that just means having a couple people per block patrolling with a camera to scare them off.
    - SoftTalker 8d ago
      Depending on the circumstances you may need more than that. A shotgun and an assortment of shot/slugs might be good to include in your planning.
matltc 8d ago
So like a month of food and water? If the big electrical grid pop happens <https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/magazine/national-blackout-power-electricity-outage.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6VA.Is_U.zNt5mSkPVbBv https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/magazine/national-blackou...>, we're looking at years, which no storage solution can accommodate. So while this is sensible for most outages, doesn't do much for this event, which becomes quite possible if (1) China moves on Taiwan and (2) USA intervenes on behalf of Taiwan. I would expect that China would activate their dormant ICS and telco access in such a circumstance to knock the US out of the conflict basically immediately I suppose this could be true with the rest of CRINK since they are all capable cyber adversaries, but China is on another level in terms of capability and it's their best lever with little cost. I suppose they have to calculate whether the US would bring out the nukes in such a circumstance
- reubenmorais 8d ago
  > I would expect that China would activate their dormant ICS and telco access in such a circumstance to knock the US out of the conflict basically immediately If they could do this, wouldn't they already have moved on Taiwan?
  - matltc 8d ago
    What makes you say that? The cost to China to invade will still be incredible with zero US intervention. Wsj had an article last December <https://www.wsj.com/world/china/how-china-chinese-invasion-taiwan-ba7e3916?pos=2&page=1 https://www.wsj.com/world/china/how-china-chinese-invasion-t...> on what this might look like
- nemomarx 8d ago
  Does the US still have enough material to intervene over Taiwan anyway? But in any case a month makes it more likely you can try and find another source. Better to have some runway than none?
  - matltc 8d ago
    > enough ... to intervene over Taiwan Probably not. My guess is the Pentagon's calculation would be that the cost to intervene would be unacceptable and could not be sustained anyway; many reports say the US would deplete their ammo stocks for such a conflict in like a week, and that was _before_ the blunder in Iran > Better ... than none? For sure. But doesn't solve the problem of "how do I survive if the power grid goes down for over a year?" Best solution is to get out of USA prior to that event. I don't think any amount of prep will significantly change your outcome in that scenario if you remain in the US.
andrewstuart 8d ago
Third world behavior
bryanlarsen 8d ago
After having lived through a couple of natural disasters, I think the most important preparation you can make is to get to know your neighbors. Exchange phone numbers, give them a key. Help them out, ask for favors. (Asking for small favors is a good trick to establish trust: ask for the proverbial cup of sugar to make them feel comfortable asking you for favors. And then when they ask, be reliable). The other is to make sure you have a good insurance company. Go to a neighborhood that has experienced a tornado or similar. Ask around -- people will know which insurance companies were helpful and which were penny pinching obstructionists.
- mrbombastic 6d ago
  “The other is to make sure you have a good insurance company” such a thing exists?
dw_arthur 8d ago
Is there a plausible scenario where having 2 weeks of water does anything more than having a weeks worth? I feel like after a week you're either getting evacuated, the government is delivering supplies, or large parts of the country are not functioning.
- briffle 8d ago
  Sat in CERT and emergency coordination meetings in the Pacific Northwest. If the > 9.0 earthquake happens that is predicted, it will take a week to get temporary shelters working. All supplies will get flown to the few large airports east of the cascades (Redmond OR, Tri-Cities WA, Yakima, WA, etc). Because all the small bridges on moutain passes will collapse (creeks, small rivers, etc) all supplies will be helicoptered over the mountains until they can get Army Corps of Engineers teams in to rebuild runways. They suggested having at LEAST a weeks worth of supplies, and more if you don't want to be waiting in a very impatient line with a bunch of scared, hungry people that may be desperate. The other data is harder to quantify, but kind of insane. Like how long DHS estimates it will take to rebuild I-5 (minus major bridges) as a passable road, along with some key railroads, and basic power.
jongjong 8d ago
Part of my motivation for moving back to Australia was because the low population density means I could potentially survive on a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. In the event of an apocalypse, I would probably move back with my parents as they live near a beach in Queensland which is a really good fishing spot. My parents catch big fish from the beach every week. They never buy fish. The area has lots of mango trees. Also, there are kangaroos in the area so there is no shortage of options. I remember I was surprised when I moved to The Netherlands for a while and one of my colleagues said something along the lines of "As humans, we can't survive without each other." I was thinking to myself WTF? Of course you can. But in retrospect I think maybe Europe isn't quite in the same situation. Low-density nations with good weather like Australia and New Zealand are actually quite unique in that way.
- bluGill 8d ago
  Hunter gatherers live in a small village (the village moves, but it is still a village) and depend on other people in the village for things. There are only a tiny number of people ever who have lived all along for long.
  - jongjong 8d ago
    Survival is not the problem if the land provides abundant resources. The limiting factor is procreation. Hermits don't tend to have children so they 'die out' as a species but they're fine as individuals. In reality there needs to be a balance; enough people to procreate but not so much as to take resources faster than surrounding nature can produce. Of course, in densely populated parts of the world, society is completely dependent on modern farming because the 'surrounding nature' cannot provide anywhere near enough food for the population without advanced farming. A disruption in the social order or supply chains would mean that people would have to cannibalize to reach an equilibrium with the surrounding nature. Survival is nowhere near as hard as most people believe, especially in a warm country without seasons. I used to do week-long camping trips to remote islands without any civilization there. There are people who have been living on remote islands by themselves without any issues for years. Australia is actually quite safe. The things which can kill you are pretty easy to avoid. Snakes are scared of you, crocodiles are only near rivers and lakes and only in some states, sharks and jellyfish are only in the sea, dangerous spiders are pretty rare and mostly mind their own business... No bears, no lions, no wolves (except dingoes but they're smaller and more like wild dogs), no nasty bug-borne diseases.

33 points by surprisetalk 8d ago

scrumper 8d ago

How do you keep the drinking water actually drinkable over any time period? Anything stored gets nasty.

zikduruqe 8d ago
Every daylight savings time, I rotate my stored water. I empty out my containers, refilling them with, then add 7 drops of bleach per gallon. * Edit * I've been asked before what the best survival book is. Honestly, it is One Second After by William R. Forstchen. It's probably the best description scenario that could occur. It is not those regurgitated line drawings that everyone copies from Euell Gibbons, or rehashed rule of 3's survival books.
- senordevnyc 8d ago
  I really like the daylight savings thing.
  - zikduruqe 8d ago
    We've been trained to do this activity twice a year. Why not add a couple of more checkboxes? - Check the air pressure of your spare tire in your vehicles - Take inventory of your home - Test your sump pump .. .. I have a small checklist, but those are some examples.
    - balfirevic 8d ago
      LOL, I often don't even bother to adjust my clocks for daylight savings time.
madaxe_again 8d ago
You don’t. You have RO at the point of consumption. At any rate, it’s our approach, we store 150,000L in a cistern over the winter and use it through the summer. An under-the-counter domestic RO system can be had for like $200, the membranes last about a year with our usage, and are like $15 a pop. Post-RO storage tank UV block too because I like belts and braces. Non-potable just goes through the usual barrels full of sand and biochar, and doesn’t need further treatment.
micromacrofoot 8d ago
Many houses have hot water heaters, which IMO is plenty for most people and the water naturally gets replaced through normal use.
- quickthrowman 8d ago
  Hot water heaters don’t heat water enough to kill bacteria and also they’re absolutely disgusting inside unless you’re one of the rare 0.1% of people who drain it annually and replace the sacrificial anode when it needs replacing. Don’t drink from the hot water tap.
  - micromacrofoot 8d ago
    Cold water from the tap also doesn't kill bacteria, so the same common sense follows... boil it if you're unfamiliar with the source. Don't drink it hot if you think you may have lead pipes. It's not really disgusting inside, mostly just filled with sediment... which is coming from your water source anyway. Same story, filter and boil as needed. Either way, much easier than maintaining potable water for the rest of your life for an event that might not ever happen. We haven't had such an event in my area for 100 years. In a pinch with a little boiling you've probably got something in the area of 40-50 gallons available this way.
throw0101d 8d ago
You rotate it every ~6 months: * https://www.cdc.gov/water-emergency/about/how-to-create-and-store-an-emergency-water-supply.html https://www.cdc.gov/water-emergency/about/how-to-create-and-... The old stuff can be used to water house plants or your garden. If you have advanced warning of an event (e.g., hurricane), you can also fill up a large reserve 'just in time': * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/waterbob-bathtub-liner-review/ https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/waterbob-bathtub-liner-rev...
throw93947309 8d ago
At the condo, I just rotate pet bottles. They are quite fimr for like a month, outside of direct sunlight. And water can be always treated to make it drinkable again.

qrush 8d ago

I barely am able to plan groceries for a few days to a week ahead, especially with two middle schoolers eating everything in sight. While I would agree with the sentiment (definitely something will disrupt heat/water/food access), I struggle with actually executing on doing anything other than having some real basics around. 30 days of spare food feels like such an enormous amount of space and material.

myself248 8d ago
Mine is just a shelf of Chef Boyardee and Campbell's. I eat one or two a week as regular lunches, to rotate stock. When there's some room at the empty end of the shelf, I shove everything down, and buy some new cans to stuff in at the intake end. It takes no more time than going to the pantry for a can of soup regularly would. And saves time, because I'm _never_ out and scrambling to find another option. Whether I'm 8 cans down or 24, one trip to the store will replenish it regardless. Don't overcomplicate it. Folks who blog about things tend to do so because they're proud they achieved something difficult, so you compare yourself to a difficult standard. Resist that.
- leetrout 8d ago
  This is the way. And I have no shame when I warm up a can of ravioli in the microwave at coworking. Even though the campbell's exec declared it "poor food" the jazzy jambalaya has replaced our instant pot recipe. We buy two cans of it, add a package of microwaveable ready rice and have decent (although very carb and sodium heavy) dinner in ~3 minutes. It also cooks up great in a small pot on a pocket rocket and tastes great right of the can as far as it being suitable for emergency food.
throw0101d 8d ago
> 30 days of spare food feels like such an enormous amount of space and material. Freeze dried stuff can be sit on a cool, dark shelf for a decade or two; a popular company: * https://mountainhouse.com/ https://mountainhouse.com/ Also need to have a source of water and a way to boil it.
senordevnyc 8d ago

bumblehean 8d ago

I'm reminded of a book I read a few years ago, Notes from an Apocalypse by Mark O'Connell, which discusses (among other things) the phenomenon of "prepper" culture.

ajkjk 8d ago

They keep saying 'we' and 'our' but I'm pretty sure this is an 'I' and 'my' thing.

CommieBobDole 8d ago
What do you mean? I assume the "we" and "our" refers to the author and his wife.

throwitaway222 8d ago

I used to be a prepper, but have decided that moving remote is the only thing I'm willing to do anymore. If the world's population really does drop 99% from something, the person that kills me will be me. Totally hoping something like that doesn't happen.

bluGill 8d ago
If the world's population drops 99% odds are you are in the 99% not here anymore.
- throwitaway222 8d ago
  Probably. I'm probably in a survival area if it reduced by 85%.

infecto 8d ago

This is a sensible type of prepping. Prep for the things you will most likely face and some outliers within your geography. I myself could never understand the years worth of food types of folks. If things breakdown that much I don’t know much that food is going to matter.

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bluGill 8d ago
Even if things do break down such that you need years of food people have the wrong things. You don't need gas for your generator, you need to learn how to live like 500 years ago - without all that. Have enough food to last until next spring, and enough seeds and farming knowledge (which you can get from a few books that you read after the disaster) that you can continue to live off of your garden. As I said elsewhere, make sure you can share knowledge and work with other survivors. A community of people with various skills (even if you give them the book and they learn it) makes survival a lot easier. Maybe your garden fails, but if you have a few other people you work with you can support each other and everybody lives.
- zephyrthenoble 8d ago
  But how do people realistically prep for this? Not a historian, but in my understanding, when major metropolitan areas devolved, people had to spread out significantly in order to restart the agrarian lifestyle that could sustain them without the complicated "modern" economy. This isn't feasible for cities like New York or Tokyo, and those people are not able to purchase a homestead and stock it with these things ahead of time for a hypothetical situation. It feels like you're suggesting prepping for a Shit Hits the Fan type scenario, which the OP post explicitly says is unreasonable. It postulates a world where most people would starve because growing plants to survive through a year is extremely difficult if you don't have any experience doing it, assuming you have enough land time and other resources to even do it properly. And I guess I just doubt that a box of seeds and a willingness to share your garden would see you through the year. You would need a whole lot of luck.

comrade1234 8d ago

I'm in Switzerland and hadn't ever experienced a power outage in the 13 years I had been here but when Russia invaded Ukraine there was talk of intermittent rolling blackouts. They never happened but just in case I bought an ups for my home Ubuntu server and to my great surprise we had a blackout! There was a problem with a high-voltage power line coming from the mountains to my part of Zurich. I happened to be in the cellar where I keep my server when it happened. The lights went out and I was in complete darkness other than the lights on the server and drives. I got my phone flashlight working and looked at the screen on the ups. It was working perfectly - the server was running and the amount of minutes remaining was dropping until there was five minutes left and my server initiated shutdown. Later that day when the power came back on the server booted back up. So I'm a prepper too.

throw0101d 8d ago

September is (US) National Preparedness Month: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Preparedness_Month https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Preparedness_Month General guidelines to have a decent pantry, someway to cook things, some spare water, a way to heat your home if you're in a place that has winter, a source of emergency lighting: * https://www.ready.gov https://www.ready.gov * https://getprepared.ca https://getprepared.ca Zombie apocalypses are a fun meme, but a broken city water main or an ice storm can be quite disruptive.

blooalien 8d ago
> Zombie apocalypses are a fun meme ... A) Not really that much fun (as evidenced by how shitty life gets for pretty much everyone in "The Walking Dead"). ;) B) In my mind "The Zombie Apocalypse" has always just been an amusing way to generically refer to whatever future real "apocalypse" might happen to occur (eg; broken water main, ice storm, etc).
- bluGill 8d ago
  "The Walking Dead" is completely fun. It is fiction, and like most fiction not everybody enjoys it, nothing wrong with that (I haven't seen it myself but I suspect I wouldn't enjoy it). However your lack of enjoyment doesn't change that it is fun for other people and that is why they watch it.
  - mrbombastic 6d ago
    Fun to watch, not fun to live is what i believe the parent is referring to.
- VCFundedGenYer 8d ago
  Kind reminder that zombies are not real and you should understand that you are critiquing an entertainment product.

walthamstow 8d ago

Holding 35L of water for 2 weeks drinking and 25L for 3 days flushing seems a bit out of whack

comrade1234 8d ago
Technically that's 60L for flushing.
cschneid 8d ago
Why? Water for flushing is nice for hygiene in the most common case of short outages. And there's very little storage annoyance - heck if you need a bucket for a project, you dump it out and fill it back up from the hose when done. Drinking water requires more expensive containers, and some thinking around keeping it fresh (rotation & potentially some chemical additives like bleach).
bluGill 8d ago
Not really. Not being able to flush is annoying, but you can do that outside. There are some health risks but they are manageable (human waste carries pathogens). 3 days is a very long disaster: if things are that bad you need to start activating other plans anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if where he lives he can just go to a nearby stream and refill his flush water anytime he wants. Water is critical to life and so you want to be sure civilization won't return before you risk drinking random water. That said, I'd keep a camping water treatment instead (there are lots of options) since they take up less space.

CodingJeebus 8d ago

A major hurricane hit my community in the US not too long ago, hundreds dead, a tremendous amount of the community destroyed. We had no water, power, or telecommunications for several days, no way to reach the outside world until the nearby cell towers came back online unless you had Starlink. In those early days post storm, I had neighbors regularly knocking on my door to make sure I was OK and I had enough food and water to get through the day. Since we had no internet, everyone was outside talking to each other, walking around and checking in. And we had huge cookouts at the houses with gas stoves so we could cook the perishable stuff before it went bad. Curfew was strict and law enforcement was everywhere, armed National Guard protected the grocery stores from looting. It was a traumatic experience in some ways. I knew people that lost everything, had friends pulling bodies out of the river, sharing stories I never thought I'd hear in my life. But the community came together, and never once did I think "man I really wish I got into prepper culture". I personally think it's insane to believe that someone could survive a major event like that completely independent of the community. Humanity got to where it is today because of community, not in spite of it. And prepper culture ignores all of that through it's "can't depend on anyone" ethos. I personally find it really sad.

throw0101d 8d ago
> We had no water, power, or telecommunications for several days, no way to reach the outside world until the nearby cell towers came back online unless you had Starlink. Amateur ("ham") radio can be handy. If you don't want to go to the effort to get a radio, a receive-only AM/FM crank/solar radio can be handy to get news.
sgt101 8d ago
Absolutely reliably the best way to increase your chance of survival in a situation like this is to have good relations with your neighbours in a good community with high trust. A large number of people working together will be much more likely to find solutions than a few isolated individuals. The isolated individuals may have disproportionately large survival resources, but probably not for long. If you are in the caring-is-sharing group you will have a much better chance than being in the me-me-bang-oh-shit group. But there are a lot of people who fear community solidarity because it might lead to people asking questions about private jets and beach condos.

nemomarx 8d ago

> We have a strong preference for sheltering in place, so we do not have a go bag or anything like that. We'd shelter in place because that's where all our preps are! I don't totally understand this because quite a lot of disasters or threats will mean you can't shelter in place? Even if it's not your main thing to plan for how can a threat model just rule out wildfires, massive flooding, a hurricane or so on.

bluGill 8d ago
He lives in Washington. His likely disasters are not ones that mean move. Maybe a wildfire - some parts of Washington get fires, but they don't get hurricanes, and most are not subject to flooding (though this depends on where you live, one block down the street might be a problem - if he lives on the top of the hill is plans should be those living near the bottom shelter at his house). Plan for the disasters that are likely where you are. I have plans for a tornado - I shelter in my basement until it blows over, and then the next morning the police will help me get to a hotel (tornadoes are to sudden too evacuate in time, but small enough that the local hotels have extra room). I don't have plans for a hurricane because the closest I get to a hurricane is when the weather reports the minor rain we are seeing is what is left of a major hurricane a week ago.
- gabrielsroka 8d ago
  > Washington Virginia
  - bluGill 7d ago
    I must have misunderstood. The climate is different between the twos, but a surprising amount of what I wrote happens to apply to both anyway. Even where what I wrote doesn't apply the idea still does: prepare for what happens where you are.
pjc50 8d ago
Prepping should be local. Here in Scotland the things I would prioritize are snowstorms (once had food delivery to supermarkets delayed for several days) and high winds (friend was without power for six days). Here we don't get true hurricanes or tornadoes, and the high winds events have been shelter in place events. Some places in the UK might have to start worrying more about wildfires. Flooding is definitely on the rise. (UK flooding is nearly always "you can save a lot of expensive damage with careful sandbagging" rather than "entire building swept away", though)

bluGill 8d ago

The most important preparation: be friendly enough with your neighbors that you look out for each other. You can hate each other in general: so long as you won't allow looters in the neighborhood, and you can force yourself to get along enough to share/divide labor (in whatever way it turns out you need). In the worst disasters preppers prepare for - odds are they die, so make sure your neighbors know what plans you have, if you die (or just you are out of town on vacation) your preparation can save someone else's life.

throw93947309 8d ago
So my neighbours hate me, but somehow major disaster changes that? > won't allow looters in the neighborhood My neighbours will be the first one to "equally share" everything I have with random junkies. > if you die ... your preparation can save someone else's life. Yeah, my neighbours make sure I die, and my stash will save their life.
- triceratops 8d ago
  > So my neighbours hate me, but somehow major disaster changes that? Yes. Shared adversity tends to unite, not divide. > My neighbours will be the first one to "equally share" everything I have with random junkies. I guarantee you they won't, just out of self-preservation. They'd rather have you than "random junkies" or a trashed house next door.
- bryanlarsen 8d ago
  For the most part, looters are thieves of opportunity. They'll take the stuff that's easy to take and won't risk a confrontation. It's like the parable of outrunning the bear: you don't have to be completely looter proof, you just have to be a harder target than the next block over. Most of the time that just means having a couple people per block patrolling with a camera to scare them off.
  - SoftTalker 8d ago
    Depending on the circumstances you may need more than that. A shotgun and an assortment of shot/slugs might be good to include in your planning.

matltc 8d ago

So like a month of food and water? If the big electrical grid pop happens <https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/magazine/national-blackout-power-electricity-outage.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6VA.Is_U.zNt5mSkPVbBv https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/magazine/national-blackou...>, we're looking at years, which no storage solution can accommodate. So while this is sensible for most outages, doesn't do much for this event, which becomes quite possible if (1) China moves on Taiwan and (2) USA intervenes on behalf of Taiwan. I would expect that China would activate their dormant ICS and telco access in such a circumstance to knock the US out of the conflict basically immediately I suppose this could be true with the rest of CRINK since they are all capable cyber adversaries, but China is on another level in terms of capability and it's their best lever with little cost. I suppose they have to calculate whether the US would bring out the nukes in such a circumstance

reubenmorais 8d ago
> I would expect that China would activate their dormant ICS and telco access in such a circumstance to knock the US out of the conflict basically immediately If they could do this, wouldn't they already have moved on Taiwan?
- matltc 8d ago
  What makes you say that? The cost to China to invade will still be incredible with zero US intervention. Wsj had an article last December <https://www.wsj.com/world/china/how-china-chinese-invasion-taiwan-ba7e3916?pos=2&page=1 https://www.wsj.com/world/china/how-china-chinese-invasion-t...> on what this might look like
nemomarx 8d ago
Does the US still have enough material to intervene over Taiwan anyway? But in any case a month makes it more likely you can try and find another source. Better to have some runway than none?
- matltc 8d ago
  > enough ... to intervene over Taiwan Probably not. My guess is the Pentagon's calculation would be that the cost to intervene would be unacceptable and could not be sustained anyway; many reports say the US would deplete their ammo stocks for such a conflict in like a week, and that was _before_ the blunder in Iran > Better ... than none? For sure. But doesn't solve the problem of "how do I survive if the power grid goes down for over a year?" Best solution is to get out of USA prior to that event. I don't think any amount of prep will significantly change your outcome in that scenario if you remain in the US.

andrewstuart 8d ago

Third world behavior

bryanlarsen 8d ago

After having lived through a couple of natural disasters, I think the most important preparation you can make is to get to know your neighbors. Exchange phone numbers, give them a key. Help them out, ask for favors. (Asking for small favors is a good trick to establish trust: ask for the proverbial cup of sugar to make them feel comfortable asking you for favors. And then when they ask, be reliable). The other is to make sure you have a good insurance company. Go to a neighborhood that has experienced a tornado or similar. Ask around -- people will know which insurance companies were helpful and which were penny pinching obstructionists.

mrbombastic 6d ago
“The other is to make sure you have a good insurance company” such a thing exists?

dw_arthur 8d ago

Is there a plausible scenario where having 2 weeks of water does anything more than having a weeks worth? I feel like after a week you're either getting evacuated, the government is delivering supplies, or large parts of the country are not functioning.

briffle 8d ago
Sat in CERT and emergency coordination meetings in the Pacific Northwest. If the > 9.0 earthquake happens that is predicted, it will take a week to get temporary shelters working. All supplies will get flown to the few large airports east of the cascades (Redmond OR, Tri-Cities WA, Yakima, WA, etc). Because all the small bridges on moutain passes will collapse (creeks, small rivers, etc) all supplies will be helicoptered over the mountains until they can get Army Corps of Engineers teams in to rebuild runways. They suggested having at LEAST a weeks worth of supplies, and more if you don't want to be waiting in a very impatient line with a bunch of scared, hungry people that may be desperate. The other data is harder to quantify, but kind of insane. Like how long DHS estimates it will take to rebuild I-5 (minus major bridges) as a passable road, along with some key railroads, and basic power.

jongjong 8d ago

Part of my motivation for moving back to Australia was because the low population density means I could potentially survive on a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. In the event of an apocalypse, I would probably move back with my parents as they live near a beach in Queensland which is a really good fishing spot. My parents catch big fish from the beach every week. They never buy fish. The area has lots of mango trees. Also, there are kangaroos in the area so there is no shortage of options. I remember I was surprised when I moved to The Netherlands for a while and one of my colleagues said something along the lines of "As humans, we can't survive without each other." I was thinking to myself WTF? Of course you can. But in retrospect I think maybe Europe isn't quite in the same situation. Low-density nations with good weather like Australia and New Zealand are actually quite unique in that way.

bluGill 8d ago
Hunter gatherers live in a small village (the village moves, but it is still a village) and depend on other people in the village for things. There are only a tiny number of people ever who have lived all along for long.
- jongjong 8d ago
  Survival is not the problem if the land provides abundant resources. The limiting factor is procreation. Hermits don't tend to have children so they 'die out' as a species but they're fine as individuals. In reality there needs to be a balance; enough people to procreate but not so much as to take resources faster than surrounding nature can produce. Of course, in densely populated parts of the world, society is completely dependent on modern farming because the 'surrounding nature' cannot provide anywhere near enough food for the population without advanced farming. A disruption in the social order or supply chains would mean that people would have to cannibalize to reach an equilibrium with the surrounding nature. Survival is nowhere near as hard as most people believe, especially in a warm country without seasons. I used to do week-long camping trips to remote islands without any civilization there. There are people who have been living on remote islands by themselves without any issues for years. Australia is actually quite safe. The things which can kill you are pretty easy to avoid. Snakes are scared of you, crocodiles are only near rivers and lakes and only in some states, sharks and jellyfish are only in the sea, dangerous spiders are pretty rare and mostly mind their own business... No bears, no lions, no wolves (except dingoes but they're smaller and more like wild dogs), no nasty bug-borne diseases.