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Yeah, probably (let's be honest, most certainly), right given the Admin. Avoiding commenting on my assumptions regarding the modus operandi in current day US po

by Topfi 13d ago

Yeah, probably (let's be honest, most certainly), right given the Admin. Avoiding commenting on my assumptions regarding the modus operandi in current day US politics because I only know it through reporting though and I really tend to dislike when people outside e.g. the EU comment on our politics in what is a very clearly narrow, uninformed manner. So it'd rather avoid altogether and occasionally ask, mainly if maybe I missed something and there actually is anything besides pure old "lobbying" to explain the difference in behaviour. Still am mainly interested why Amazon ran to the government though regarding Fable 5, I can get the angle concerning the relationship between OpenAI and the administration easily, but not the way Amazon operated. They had more to loose what with their major buy-in by Anthropic on AWS.

adventured 13d ago
Anthropic has the appearance/rep of being non-cooperative with the military industrial complex. OpenAI doesn't have that reputation. That's all.
- nullbio 13d ago
  Exactly. OAI didn't bury themselves. They didn't have to do anything special for this, they just had to let Anthropic be Anthropic and sit on the sidelines.
- K0balt 13d ago
  This. Anthropic made at least some token effort to imagine a future where AI and humans cooperate in a constructive way and AI is not used to harm people intentionally. They learned their lesson.
  - csharpminor 13d ago
    Are we forgetting how fast they rushed in to deploy Claude at the DoW with Palantir?
    - pastel8739 13d ago
      I hardly see how the Dow Jones in relevant here, that’s finance
      - ayewo 13d ago
        >> Are we forgetting how fast they rushed in to deploy Claude at the DoW (Department of War) with Palantir? > I hardly see how the Dow Jones in relevant here, that’s finance Not Dow Jones. DoW = Department of War.
        pastel8739 11d ago
        Oh sorry I forgot some people chose to subscribe to that disgusting name for the DoD
        csharpminor 10d ago
        Oh yes Department of Defense is much less disgusting. Actually, why not just rename it to Ministry of Peace? We can call it Minipax for short.
    - nullbio 13d ago
      Everything Anthropic does is theater. How have people not figured that out by now? Boggles the mind.
    - K0balt 12d ago
      I did say “token effort” to “imagine” which is pretty far from “real effort“ to “achieve”.
  - dgellow 13d ago
    Only Americans, Anthropic made it clear they don’t care about surveillance and military actions when it’s not about American citizens
sigmoid10 13d ago
If you have followed news reporting, you probably heard that SamA was touring D.C. to make sure this release went without any regulation hiccups. If anything, they learned how to play the whole politics game - especially after the Anthropic fiasco. And even though all parties involved are terrible choices, more eyes on a potentially civilisation altering product does make me feel minimally better.
- lljk_kennedy 13d ago
  More eyes or more bribes?
  - K0balt 13d ago
    Well, somebody has to see that you bribed them, so yes?
  - sigmoid10 13d ago
    More like not ignoring the company owned by one of the president's biggest donors warning said president's administration about your model. Anthropic basically tried to close their eyes to make this go away. Which of course backfired spectacularly and led to one of the biggest release fuck-ups of all time. OpenAI saw that and simply decided to not do it that way. Any sane business would have done the same.
- lambda 13d ago
  And by "learned how to play the whole politics game", you mean "giving money to Donald Trump": https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/brockman-openai-top-trump-donor-21273419.php https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/brockman-openai-top-trum...
  - mywittyname 13d ago
    Modern politicking is so easy.
  - tiahura 13d ago
    I think you just have to be smart enough that when the administration calls up and says "amazon, the nsa, and half a dozen other companies say we have a problem" your response isn't "well, actually we don't."
pas 13d ago
it's entirely possible that that specific communication from that Amazon exec/rep (?) was just one of many "messages of concern" (and the one that eventually the WH picked)
pavlov 13d ago
US commentators are often incredibly misinformed about their own country’s politics because the information bubbles are so hermetic when you’re inside them.
collingreen 13d ago
As an American we tend to (especially lately) make our politics into everyone's problem so feel free to comment on our politics as much as you like until further notice.
- sam345 13d ago
  So Europeans don't do this ? The EU is constantly trying to regulate US companies. Every time I click on a stupid cookie notice I fondly think of the EU .
  - globular-toast 13d ago
    The stupid cookie notice is entirely the fault of the site you are visiting. The EU just made the site show you how it's fucking you.
    - shagie 13d ago
      There's a cookie banner on https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en and https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj/eng https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj/eng
      - globular-toast 13d ago
        That site is run by the EU, so those particular banners are the fault of the EU, yes. Most of the other ones you see are not, though.
        shagie 13d ago
        If the EU is unable to separate itself from pages of analytics and tracking cookies and fifteen third party providers (YouTube, Facebook, Google, Twitter, and so on), then "most of the other ones you see" are likewise compelled to have the cookie banner. Alternatively, if you need a cookie banner for every bit of analytics... Name: cck3 Service: Cookie consent kit Purpose: Stores your preferences for 3rd-party cookies (so you won't be asked again) Cookie type and duration: First-party session cookie deleted after you quit your browser Yep, your cookie consent cookie is browser session and every page that has a cookie consent banner that sets a cookie so that you won't see it is required to have a cookie consent banner to inform you that you have a cookie tracking your cookie consent.
watwut 13d ago
I think that active voice the person responding to you used was more politically factual, objective and did not took stand. Going out of your way to hide the actor is not politically neutral action nor it represents lack of commentary.
ncallaway 13d ago
> I really tend to dislike when people outside e.g. the EU comment on our politics We, uh… started a war that we’re trying to drag many European countries into, and we spent a good chunk of the last year threatening to invade a member of the EU. We’re on and off about trying to start a trade war with the EU. At this point, you have absolutely every right to comment on our politics, pretty much however you want.

by Topfi 13d ago

adventured 13d ago

Anthropic has the appearance/rep of being non-cooperative with the military industrial complex. OpenAI doesn't have that reputation. That's all.

nullbio 13d ago
Exactly. OAI didn't bury themselves. They didn't have to do anything special for this, they just had to let Anthropic be Anthropic and sit on the sidelines.
K0balt 13d ago
This. Anthropic made at least some token effort to imagine a future where AI and humans cooperate in a constructive way and AI is not used to harm people intentionally. They learned their lesson.
- csharpminor 13d ago
  Are we forgetting how fast they rushed in to deploy Claude at the DoW with Palantir?
  - pastel8739 13d ago
    I hardly see how the Dow Jones in relevant here, that’s finance
    - ayewo 13d ago
      >> Are we forgetting how fast they rushed in to deploy Claude at the DoW (Department of War) with Palantir? > I hardly see how the Dow Jones in relevant here, that’s finance Not Dow Jones. DoW = Department of War.
      - pastel8739 11d ago
        Oh sorry I forgot some people chose to subscribe to that disgusting name for the DoD
        csharpminor 10d ago
        Oh yes Department of Defense is much less disgusting. Actually, why not just rename it to Ministry of Peace? We can call it Minipax for short.
  - nullbio 13d ago
    Everything Anthropic does is theater. How have people not figured that out by now? Boggles the mind.
  - K0balt 12d ago
    I did say “token effort” to “imagine” which is pretty far from “real effort“ to “achieve”.
- dgellow 13d ago
  Only Americans, Anthropic made it clear they don’t care about surveillance and military actions when it’s not about American citizens

sigmoid10 13d ago

If you have followed news reporting, you probably heard that SamA was touring D.C. to make sure this release went without any regulation hiccups. If anything, they learned how to play the whole politics game - especially after the Anthropic fiasco. And even though all parties involved are terrible choices, more eyes on a potentially civilisation altering product does make me feel minimally better.

lljk_kennedy 13d ago
More eyes or more bribes?
- K0balt 13d ago
  Well, somebody has to see that you bribed them, so yes?
- sigmoid10 13d ago
  More like not ignoring the company owned by one of the president's biggest donors warning said president's administration about your model. Anthropic basically tried to close their eyes to make this go away. Which of course backfired spectacularly and led to one of the biggest release fuck-ups of all time. OpenAI saw that and simply decided to not do it that way. Any sane business would have done the same.
lambda 13d ago
And by "learned how to play the whole politics game", you mean "giving money to Donald Trump": https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/brockman-openai-top-trump-donor-21273419.php https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/brockman-openai-top-trum...
- mywittyname 13d ago
  Modern politicking is so easy.
- tiahura 13d ago
  I think you just have to be smart enough that when the administration calls up and says "amazon, the nsa, and half a dozen other companies say we have a problem" your response isn't "well, actually we don't."

pas 13d ago

it's entirely possible that that specific communication from that Amazon exec/rep (?) was just one of many "messages of concern" (and the one that eventually the WH picked)

pavlov 13d ago

US commentators are often incredibly misinformed about their own country’s politics because the information bubbles are so hermetic when you’re inside them.

collingreen 13d ago

As an American we tend to (especially lately) make our politics into everyone's problem so feel free to comment on our politics as much as you like until further notice.

sam345 13d ago
So Europeans don't do this ? The EU is constantly trying to regulate US companies. Every time I click on a stupid cookie notice I fondly think of the EU .
- globular-toast 13d ago
  The stupid cookie notice is entirely the fault of the site you are visiting. The EU just made the site show you how it's fucking you.
  - shagie 13d ago
    There's a cookie banner on https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en and https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj/eng https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj/eng
    - globular-toast 13d ago
      That site is run by the EU, so those particular banners are the fault of the EU, yes. Most of the other ones you see are not, though.
      - shagie 13d ago
        If the EU is unable to separate itself from pages of analytics and tracking cookies and fifteen third party providers (YouTube, Facebook, Google, Twitter, and so on), then "most of the other ones you see" are likewise compelled to have the cookie banner. Alternatively, if you need a cookie banner for every bit of analytics... Name: cck3 Service: Cookie consent kit Purpose: Stores your preferences for 3rd-party cookies (so you won't be asked again) Cookie type and duration: First-party session cookie deleted after you quit your browser Yep, your cookie consent cookie is browser session and every page that has a cookie consent banner that sets a cookie so that you won't see it is required to have a cookie consent banner to inform you that you have a cookie tracking your cookie consent.

watwut 13d ago

I think that active voice the person responding to you used was more politically factual, objective and did not took stand. Going out of your way to hide the actor is not politically neutral action nor it represents lack of commentary.

ncallaway 13d ago

> I really tend to dislike when people outside e.g. the EU comment on our politics We, uh… started a war that we’re trying to drag many European countries into, and we spent a good chunk of the last year threatening to invade a member of the EU. We’re on and off about trying to start a trade war with the EU. At this point, you have absolutely every right to comment on our politics, pretty much however you want.