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> No, it is just because they have difficulties at the bench. I'll put it in another way. A "gifted kid" can be measured incredibly well on an IQ test, but fai
by ranyume 15d ago
> No, it is just because they have difficulties at the bench.
I'll put it in another way. A "gifted kid" can be measured incredibly well on an IQ test, but fail miserably at incredibly normal but very difficult tasks such as consoling someone for their loss and managing family crisis. This is a clear example where an IQ measure doesn't translate to a person being capable of meaningfully changing their environments for good which is one way we define intelligence.
On the other hand saying "the gifted person is highly intelligent/smart just not good at some things" really diminishes the other tasks, because they really are very difficult tasks but are not measured by an IQ test.
- mdp2021 15d agoWe have always been very aware that IQ does not measure all skills - nonetheless, it does measure one. Nobody says that the IQ test would "measure intelligence". We know it does test a form of it.
- ranyume 15d agoI said it's a bad measure of intelligence and it seems that we agree.
- mdp2021 14d agoThat would be odd framing: it's a good test for a form of intelligence and other forms of intelligence still require good tests. It remains a good metric - for its specific thing; those who believe it to be the whole metric are naïve. It is almost necessary though not really sufficient.
- mercer 14d agobad in relation to what?
- spider-mario 15d agoI don’t follow your logic. “The gifted person is highly intelligent, just not good at deadlifting 500kg” does not diminish the 500kg deadlift and I wouldn’t expect an IQ test to measure it.
- ranyume 14d agoDeadlifting 500kg is not a form of intelligence (or it could be under certain scenarios). I carefully chose specific tasks for my comment, because those tasks do reflect a kind of intelligence that's not measured by IQ. I think the key here is to be wary of measurements that promise to capture the whole of what we consider intelligence (ie what people think of with IQs).
- spider-mario 14d agoNo, I don’t think they’re intelligence either.
- machomaster 13d agoYou chose your examples badly. Not being able to deadlift 500kg also signifies the inability to effectively the (physical) environment. But even here, in your irrelevant example, you are wrong. In practice IQ is highly correlated with emotional skills ("intelligence").
- mdp2021 13d ago> measurements that promise to capture the whole of what we consider intelligence And as we said, the "IQ tests" do not promise that. > what people think What people think is very irrelevant to truth - and we just disregard their opinion. It cannot have a weight. What would be the gain in asking a layman about anything. It just makes no sense.