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A good majority of Americans want voter id. https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/28/politics/video/the-odds-voter-ids-at-the-door-cnc-kalpar https://www.cnn.com/2026/07

A good majority of Americans want voter id. https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/28/politics/video/the-odds-voter-ids-at-the-door-cnc-kalpar https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/28/politics/video/the-odds-voter... So a party calling for voter id is following the will of the people, while politicians opposing the will of the people are justifying the need for a fix, right?

hackyhacky 14d ago
> politicians opposing the will of the people are justifying the need for a fix, right? That's a funny way of saying that they support the status quo, which has never been provably linked to large-scale voter fraud. If you want voter ID, here's the procedure: establish evidence showing that its need outweighs its disadvantages, then pass a bill in Congress, then implement the bill. Signing an Executive Order that demands illegal overreach without justification is not the American way.
- MrDrMcCoy 14d ago
  If voter ID was accompanied by mandatory free ID services at the polls, it could be a net good. Short of that, it's definitely more harm than good.
  - mikem170 14d ago
    Agreed, if id becomes madatory for voting then an appropriate id needs to be provided for free, otherwise it is effectively a poll tax, and poll taxes are illegal.
  - socalgal2 14d ago
    What evidence do you have it’s bad? Most of Europe and Asia requires some form of id
    - hackyhacky 14d ago
      Most of Europe and Asia have mandatory, free national ID cards.
      - throwawaypath 14d ago
        Every state in the US has free ID cards that work for voting.
        angoragoats 4d ago
        This statement as written is false. If you disagree, please show me where Massachusetts has a free ID card available to anyone who wants it. The only people in MA who can get a free ID are the homeless. Yes, MA has other options for proving identity for voting purposes. But it does not have a general-purpose free ID card. If you’re going to be argumentative, and state that something “is a fact” multiple times, please make sure you’re correct before posting.
        hackyhacky 14d ago
        No, they do not. Getting an ID card in most places requires a fee, as well a trip to the DMV or equivalent, and providing documentation such as a birth certificate, which also requires a fee. You take this process for granted because you live a privileged life, but for many people, taking a day off work and paying $50 to get an ID is an insurmountable obstacle, especially when it offers no immediate tangible benefit in their daily lives. If voter ID advocates feel so strongly about their position, they would support mandatory ID. The fact that they don't support mandatory ID shows their real agenda: they don't care about securing elections, they care only about excluding the undesirable class from elections.
        throwawaypath 13d ago
        >No, they do not. Yes they do. >Getting an ID card in most places requires a fee, False, there are no fees for voter IDs. Please find a state where you believe this is true. >as well a trip to the DMV or equivalent Not always. >and providing documentation such as a birth certificate, which also requires a fee. False. Many (all?) states provide free birth certificates for voter IDs. >You take this process for granted I don't take this process for granted, it's the same process across the first world. >because you live a privileged life, but for many people, taking a day off work and paying $50 to get an ID is an insurmountable obstacle, Nice soft bigotry of low expectations. You're so privileged that you actually believe this objectively false propaganda. The fact that you've repeated it to multiple times to virtue signal which may dissuade people to vote is a luxury belief [0]. Who believes luxury beliefs? Privileged peopled. >If voter ID advocates feel so strongly about their position, they would support mandatory ID. They do. >The fact that they don't support mandatory ID False, they do support free IDs. >they don't care about securing elections, they care only about excluding the undesirable class from elections. Repeating propaganda doesn't make it true. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_belief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_belief
AngryData 14d ago
If they gave a crap about the will of the people then why is marijuana still illegal? When you defy the will of the people 99% of the time, claiming your motivation is the will of the people when it is convenient rings pretty hollow.
ModernMech 14d ago
We just spent a year hearing from some asshole about how the government was spending too much money and couldn't afford frivolities, yet we're supposed to spend money on security theatre to fix a problem that doesn't actually exist, all because some other assholes are butthurt about losing an election fair and square? Remember the people leading the charge for this are insurrectionists. They don't care about protecting voting or the concept of democracy at all.
- RickJWagner 13d ago
  New Jersey had 6600 hundred non citizens get ballots. If you were writing software, would you overlook a problem like that? https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/30/new-jerseys-noncitizen-voter-registration-brings-private-worries-into-the-open-01015840 https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/30/new-jerseys-nonciti...
  - hackyhacky 13d ago
    > If you were writing software, would you overlook a problem like that? They didn't overlook it. They fixed the error. If you are asserting that this error was a partisan, intentional attempt to change the outcome of the election, you're going to need to provide a lot more evidence before injecting USPS into election policy makes sense.
    - ModernMech 13d ago
      Moreover none of the proposed measures would have prevented that, as you said it was in fact an error. The reason why this issue is so intractable is because the level of disruption must be measured against the risk of disenfranchisement. People would be happier to implement these unneeded security measures if there was more care by those proposing them to address those ways in which legal legitimate voters would be refused a ballot. And the fact they don't ever address those concerns is the whole tell that the disenfranchisement is the point. Instead it's always bad faith "Oh you want the elections to be unsecure, you're overlooking massive security holes!" At the end of the day the biggest loudmouth in the world got people so mad about an election that they attacked the government, so then we were forced to spend years going over that election with a fine tooth comb only to turn up zilch. Even the Cyberninjas couldn't find the fraud they alleged when given direct unfettered access to voting records. And yet, we still have to entertain claims about the boogeyman of voting as if they're in good faith. Prove it in just one court under high standards of evidence! But even the biggest loudmouths saying fraud won't say it under oath in front of a judge, because they don't have the evidence to back it up. It's far past the point that noncitizens voting in elections should be considered the biggest threat to our democracy. No, the threat is an authoritarian, insurrectionist president trying to corrupt the election process.
deaux 14d ago
A good majority of the Americans want Epstein's best buddies' jailed, instead the POTUS is one.
unethical_ban 14d ago
I don't believe you argue in good faith. Troll behavior is so depressing.

hackyhacky 14d ago

> politicians opposing the will of the people are justifying the need for a fix, right? That's a funny way of saying that they support the status quo, which has never been provably linked to large-scale voter fraud. If you want voter ID, here's the procedure: establish evidence showing that its need outweighs its disadvantages, then pass a bill in Congress, then implement the bill. Signing an Executive Order that demands illegal overreach without justification is not the American way.

MrDrMcCoy 14d ago
If voter ID was accompanied by mandatory free ID services at the polls, it could be a net good. Short of that, it's definitely more harm than good.
- mikem170 14d ago
  Agreed, if id becomes madatory for voting then an appropriate id needs to be provided for free, otherwise it is effectively a poll tax, and poll taxes are illegal.
- socalgal2 14d ago
  What evidence do you have it’s bad? Most of Europe and Asia requires some form of id
  - hackyhacky 14d ago
    Most of Europe and Asia have mandatory, free national ID cards.
    - throwawaypath 14d ago
      Every state in the US has free ID cards that work for voting.
      - angoragoats 4d ago
        This statement as written is false. If you disagree, please show me where Massachusetts has a free ID card available to anyone who wants it. The only people in MA who can get a free ID are the homeless. Yes, MA has other options for proving identity for voting purposes. But it does not have a general-purpose free ID card. If you’re going to be argumentative, and state that something “is a fact” multiple times, please make sure you’re correct before posting.
      - hackyhacky 14d ago
        No, they do not. Getting an ID card in most places requires a fee, as well a trip to the DMV or equivalent, and providing documentation such as a birth certificate, which also requires a fee. You take this process for granted because you live a privileged life, but for many people, taking a day off work and paying $50 to get an ID is an insurmountable obstacle, especially when it offers no immediate tangible benefit in their daily lives. If voter ID advocates feel so strongly about their position, they would support mandatory ID. The fact that they don't support mandatory ID shows their real agenda: they don't care about securing elections, they care only about excluding the undesirable class from elections.
        throwawaypath 13d ago
        >No, they do not. Yes they do. >Getting an ID card in most places requires a fee, False, there are no fees for voter IDs. Please find a state where you believe this is true. >as well a trip to the DMV or equivalent Not always. >and providing documentation such as a birth certificate, which also requires a fee. False. Many (all?) states provide free birth certificates for voter IDs. >You take this process for granted I don't take this process for granted, it's the same process across the first world. >because you live a privileged life, but for many people, taking a day off work and paying $50 to get an ID is an insurmountable obstacle, Nice soft bigotry of low expectations. You're so privileged that you actually believe this objectively false propaganda. The fact that you've repeated it to multiple times to virtue signal which may dissuade people to vote is a luxury belief [0]. Who believes luxury beliefs? Privileged peopled. >If voter ID advocates feel so strongly about their position, they would support mandatory ID. They do. >The fact that they don't support mandatory ID False, they do support free IDs. >they don't care about securing elections, they care only about excluding the undesirable class from elections. Repeating propaganda doesn't make it true. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_belief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_belief

AngryData 14d ago

If they gave a crap about the will of the people then why is marijuana still illegal? When you defy the will of the people 99% of the time, claiming your motivation is the will of the people when it is convenient rings pretty hollow.

ModernMech 14d ago

We just spent a year hearing from some asshole about how the government was spending too much money and couldn't afford frivolities, yet we're supposed to spend money on security theatre to fix a problem that doesn't actually exist, all because some other assholes are butthurt about losing an election fair and square? Remember the people leading the charge for this are insurrectionists. They don't care about protecting voting or the concept of democracy at all.

RickJWagner 13d ago
New Jersey had 6600 hundred non citizens get ballots. If you were writing software, would you overlook a problem like that? https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/30/new-jerseys-noncitizen-voter-registration-brings-private-worries-into-the-open-01015840 https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/30/new-jerseys-nonciti...
- hackyhacky 13d ago
  > If you were writing software, would you overlook a problem like that? They didn't overlook it. They fixed the error. If you are asserting that this error was a partisan, intentional attempt to change the outcome of the election, you're going to need to provide a lot more evidence before injecting USPS into election policy makes sense.
  - ModernMech 13d ago
    Moreover none of the proposed measures would have prevented that, as you said it was in fact an error. The reason why this issue is so intractable is because the level of disruption must be measured against the risk of disenfranchisement. People would be happier to implement these unneeded security measures if there was more care by those proposing them to address those ways in which legal legitimate voters would be refused a ballot. And the fact they don't ever address those concerns is the whole tell that the disenfranchisement is the point. Instead it's always bad faith "Oh you want the elections to be unsecure, you're overlooking massive security holes!" At the end of the day the biggest loudmouth in the world got people so mad about an election that they attacked the government, so then we were forced to spend years going over that election with a fine tooth comb only to turn up zilch. Even the Cyberninjas couldn't find the fraud they alleged when given direct unfettered access to voting records. And yet, we still have to entertain claims about the boogeyman of voting as if they're in good faith. Prove it in just one court under high standards of evidence! But even the biggest loudmouths saying fraud won't say it under oath in front of a judge, because they don't have the evidence to back it up. It's far past the point that noncitizens voting in elections should be considered the biggest threat to our democracy. No, the threat is an authoritarian, insurrectionist president trying to corrupt the election process.

deaux 14d ago

A good majority of the Americans want Epstein's best buddies' jailed, instead the POTUS is one.

unethical_ban 14d ago

I don't believe you argue in good faith. Troll behavior is so depressing.