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An organization doesn't have to be centralized, just like communists weren't. This is a lazy argument.
by Saline9515 21d ago
An organization doesn't have to be centralized, just like communists weren't. This is a lazy argument.
- compass_copium 21d agoThere was a national Communist Party as well as several Cominterns. Communists are pretty big on democratic centralism.
- Saline9515 21d ago"Several cominterns" - each country had its communist party, meaning a certain level of decentralization.
- compass_copium 21d ago"Comintern" means "Communist International"--meant to guide the various national parties.
- iamnothere 21d agoBesides, I don’t usually think of individual national governments as the proper level at which something qualifies as decentralized.
- Hizonner 21d agoAn organization does have to have a clear set of shared plans, toward which it takes a program of coordinated action. That's what an organization is. It's about being organized. A bunch of random individuals who share some opinions, occasionally use similar tactics, may cooperate sporadically, and describe themselves using some term or gravitate toward certain symbols, is not an organization. And it's not clear that "antifa" even does most of those things. Nor are a bunch of small groups a single "organization" if they don't have some kind of ongoing, systemematic structure for coordinating their actions. I'm an atheist. That doesn't make atheism an organization.
- preg_match 21d agoThe communists were very centralized. They held world governments. Even the American communists were centralized.
- dgellow 21d agoWhat do you think _soviet_ are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
- iamnothere 21d agoA unit of organization that was quickly made obsolete and purely symbolic during the era of Stalinism
- Saline9515 20d ago[flagged]
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- Saline9515 18d agoIt's a common point made by Marxists. https://marxist.com/socialism-in-one-country-how-stalin-abandoned-marxism.htm https://marxist.com/socialism-in-one-country-how-stalin-aban...
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