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Up to the governments to require the split-up of companies which become too large. Up to the governments to avoid corruption. "The bribe was too seducing" is n

Up to the governments to require the split-up of companies which become too large. Up to the governments to avoid corruption. "The bribe was too seducing" is not a valid defense for citizens. The fact the gouvernements have an armed branch to enforce hegemony makes it more required, not more forgivable.

stymaar 22d ago
Both passive corruption (accepting a bribe) and active corruption (giving a bribe) are a problem. “But the officials accepted it” is not a valid way to discount Amazon from their nefarious practices.
- pembrook 22d ago
  Please cite ANY evidence that Amazon, Epstein, Aliens, etc. had anything to do with this particular EU packaging nightmare...and that it wasn't wholly due to the bike shedding nature of a massive incomprehensible bureaucracy.
  - stymaar 22d ago
    > Please cite ANY evidence that Amazon had anything to do with this particular EU packaging nightmare Easy. Amazon spends several million every year to have their representatives discussing issues that affect them like that. We know for certain that they were indeed involved in the discussions, because that's what they are being paid to do (and it's not entirely objectionable for legislators to listen to industrial interests in the first place). > to the bike shedding nature of a massive incomprehensible bureaucracy. It may be incomprehensible to you, but like it or not these bureaucracy are what shape the modern world. Countries without an extensive bureaucracies are all failed state (and the first thing any emerging state actors, like the Taliban or HTS in Syria, do when they come to power is to set up a bureaucracy).
    - senorrib 22d ago
      If it’s easy, where’s the evidence? Nothing you wrote is evidence for anything, at most “educated guesses”. > Countries without an extensive bureaucracies are all failed state This is such a ridiculous statement. There’s so many different levels of bureaucracy across the developed and developing world that you can’t really put them all in a single bag.
    - mlrtime 22d ago
      This falls into where your ideology belongs to "see" what is most likely: * Amazon paid politicians in EU to craft and pass packaging laws that they would have to enforce/abide by, but have the resources. [Who and how many is anyones guess]. * EU Politicians meaning well, created policy to clean up packing with enforcement in all EU countries, maybe hoping large companies pay for the cleanup. Unintended consequences mean small shippers have a higher burden.
    - philipallstar 22d ago
      > Amazon spends several million every year to have their representatives discussing issues that affect them like that Discussions are not bribes. Write to your MEP and charge yourself out at €500/hour to do so, and you'll soon be spending a decent chunk.

stymaar 22d ago

Both passive corruption (accepting a bribe) and active corruption (giving a bribe) are a problem. “But the officials accepted it” is not a valid way to discount Amazon from their nefarious practices.

pembrook 22d ago
Please cite ANY evidence that Amazon, Epstein, Aliens, etc. had anything to do with this particular EU packaging nightmare...and that it wasn't wholly due to the bike shedding nature of a massive incomprehensible bureaucracy.
- stymaar 22d ago
  > Please cite ANY evidence that Amazon had anything to do with this particular EU packaging nightmare Easy. Amazon spends several million every year to have their representatives discussing issues that affect them like that. We know for certain that they were indeed involved in the discussions, because that's what they are being paid to do (and it's not entirely objectionable for legislators to listen to industrial interests in the first place). > to the bike shedding nature of a massive incomprehensible bureaucracy. It may be incomprehensible to you, but like it or not these bureaucracy are what shape the modern world. Countries without an extensive bureaucracies are all failed state (and the first thing any emerging state actors, like the Taliban or HTS in Syria, do when they come to power is to set up a bureaucracy).
  - senorrib 22d ago
    If it’s easy, where’s the evidence? Nothing you wrote is evidence for anything, at most “educated guesses”. > Countries without an extensive bureaucracies are all failed state This is such a ridiculous statement. There’s so many different levels of bureaucracy across the developed and developing world that you can’t really put them all in a single bag.
  - mlrtime 22d ago
    This falls into where your ideology belongs to "see" what is most likely: * Amazon paid politicians in EU to craft and pass packaging laws that they would have to enforce/abide by, but have the resources. [Who and how many is anyones guess]. * EU Politicians meaning well, created policy to clean up packing with enforcement in all EU countries, maybe hoping large companies pay for the cleanup. Unintended consequences mean small shippers have a higher burden.
  - philipallstar 22d ago
    > Amazon spends several million every year to have their representatives discussing issues that affect them like that Discussions are not bribes. Write to your MEP and charge yourself out at €500/hour to do so, and you'll soon be spending a decent chunk.