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I’m a bit flabbergasted that an Anthropic engineer did reply to this issue, however their reply which they used Claude to write, and even includes some classic

I’m a bit flabbergasted that an Anthropic engineer did reply to this issue, however their reply which they used Claude to write, and even includes some classic ‘Claude-isms’, claims they didn’t see any of the patterns being complained about. Read the room Anthropic. Maybe don’t use AI to reply to a thread complaining about how AI output is hard to read.

itopaloglu83 28d ago
Kind of unrelated but a while ago I was trying to cancel a Zoom contract and the contract manager’s emails had urls to their articles etc. with utm source ChatGPT in them.
ChadNauseam 28d ago
I'm reminded of this tweet by roon: > it is a literal and useful description of anthropic that it is an organization that loves and worships claude, is run in significant part by claude, and studies and builds claude. this phenomenon is also partially true of other labs like openai but currently exists in its most potent form there. i am not certain but I would guess claude will have a role in running cultural screens on new applicants, will help write performance reviews, and so will begin to select and shape the people around it. https://x.com/tszzl/status/2051045196260167790 https://x.com/tszzl/status/2051045196260167790
- Animats 28d ago
  > i am not certain but I would guess Claude will have a role in running cultural screens on new applicants, will help write performance reviews, and so will begin to select and shape the people around it. Now that's a fascinating thought - an AI taking over companies by influencing hiring decisions. If the first filter on applications is run by an ambitious AI, such a takeover would be quite possible. Just picking people who tend to do what the AI tells them would, over time, be enough. People have been thinking of a robot revolution or Skynet as being the threat. The real threat might simply be AIs slowly putting people in power who tend to do what AIs tell them. Has anyone ever seen a science fiction story with that plot?
  - tonymillion 28d ago
    We dont need a SciFi story for that, reality is full of "I was just following orders" statements... Whether those orders are from a person, a radio/telegram message or an AI output wouldn't really matter. Edit to add: Charlies Angels and Mission Impossible are two shows where the protagonists get instructions from a faceless controller. That could easily be a TTS from an AI.
  - edoceo 28d ago
    Tron. Dillinger was controlled by the MCP. End of line.
  - Bluestein 28d ago
    ... and to make matters worse the organization itself will view pliability as a plus, tending to reinforce the loop.-
  - okwhateverdude 28d ago
    I'd argue that Star Trek: Lower Decks flirts with this with its treatment of megalomaniac AIs in the AI prison. Apparently, it is very common to come across AIs worshiped as gods in universe.
  - duped 28d ago
    I don't think a firm of people whose minds are weak to coercion experiencing shared psychosis caused by their text predictor models is AI "taking over" that firm.
    - Animats 28d ago
      Depends on the AI's agenda. What's in the "SOUL.md" file?
      - awsglkhj 28d ago
        [intentionally blank]
    - arcatech 28d ago
- VulgarExigency 28d ago
  It's another branch of the "effective altruism"/harry potter fanfiction cult.
  - andai 28d ago
    Wait what's the connection with Harry Potter?
    - phainopepla2 28d ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_o...
- jadar 28d ago
  Cue the N.I.C.E comparisons.
b1gTekken 28d ago
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demibabs 28d ago
not just "an anthropic engineer", he's the product lead for claude code lol. i wonder what percent of the average anthropic employee's day is spent interacting with claude
corndoge 28d ago
It is possible, perhaps even probable, that no human read the thread.
user43928 28d ago
If I am not mistaken he is also active on HN. And what he wrote is that he could not reproduce the issue with short questions, and that he assigned it to the model team, since it's likely not caused by Claude Code.
rafram 28d ago
Not any engineer, but Boris Cherny, the head of the Claude Code project! With a nice "[robot emoji] Generated with Claude Code" signature. Normally it would be nice to get a response from the head of the project, but somehow Anthropic manages to make it insulting. I wonder if he manually directed CC to write a response, or if even that part is autonomous.
- fluidcruft 28d ago
  He very probably directed CC to perform the analysis and evaluation it describes, too.
- Panoramix 28d ago
  I mean it kind of makes sense that the people that caused the problem don't even see the problem. That's an explanation onto itself.
  - Bluestein 28d ago
    What was that rule that organizations tend to produce software that mirrors the organization? This, but fractal and recursive: The organization is shaping the organization that is shaping software that is shaping the organization [that is *recruiting people amenable to that pliability, which in turn are also] writing software ...
    - tanseydavid 28d ago
      Conway's law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
      - Bluestein 28d ago
        Spot on :)
fg137 28d ago
Just saw this: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/6235#issuecomment-5311479502 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/6235#issuec... Jesus Christ, this engineer wrote a two sentence response with Claude. I bet the prompt is longer than that.
- bakugo 28d ago
  The prompt was probably "respond to this issue" (assuming it was even a manual prompt and not fully automated).
- user43928 28d ago
  Both this and the other response are relatively to the point. And as the product lead for Claude Code it also makes sense that he dogfoods the tool wherever possible, such as triaging and replying to issues.
polynomial 28d ago
They can't help it.
Jare 28d ago
To be fair, he's mostly saying that this is not a Claude CODE bug, but yeah I was equally shocked.
bakugo 28d ago
I'd say they read the room perfectly. The entire issue is AI slop, I don't see why their response shouldn't be, too. They have absolutely no reason to take such complaints seriously when the complainers are so dependent on their product, they can't even complain without it. Think reading AI slop is unpleasant? Great, just stop generating more AI slop, it's easy. But that's not going to happen. These people probably need to ask Claude how to tie their shoelaces every morning.
7373737373 27d ago
It's incredibly brainless and disrespectful
excentricus 27d ago
That response is freaking ridiculous and does nothing but proving the very point of the issue. Even if that’s your genuine view of the reported issue, instead of posting a message full of word salad, you could just say something along the lines of “valid feedback yet i couldn’t reproduce, i will pass this along to our model team since it’s more about model behavior, etc.” Also, that “generated by CC” feels overtly disrespectful and shows how little care goes into hearing feedback. But, why would you listen if no matter what you do your valuation almost doubles every several months (at least for now).

itopaloglu83 28d ago

Kind of unrelated but a while ago I was trying to cancel a Zoom contract and the contract manager’s emails had urls to their articles etc. with utm source ChatGPT in them.

ChadNauseam 28d ago

I'm reminded of this tweet by roon: > it is a literal and useful description of anthropic that it is an organization that loves and worships claude, is run in significant part by claude, and studies and builds claude. this phenomenon is also partially true of other labs like openai but currently exists in its most potent form there. i am not certain but I would guess claude will have a role in running cultural screens on new applicants, will help write performance reviews, and so will begin to select and shape the people around it. https://x.com/tszzl/status/2051045196260167790 https://x.com/tszzl/status/2051045196260167790

Animats 28d ago
> i am not certain but I would guess Claude will have a role in running cultural screens on new applicants, will help write performance reviews, and so will begin to select and shape the people around it. Now that's a fascinating thought - an AI taking over companies by influencing hiring decisions. If the first filter on applications is run by an ambitious AI, such a takeover would be quite possible. Just picking people who tend to do what the AI tells them would, over time, be enough. People have been thinking of a robot revolution or Skynet as being the threat. The real threat might simply be AIs slowly putting people in power who tend to do what AIs tell them. Has anyone ever seen a science fiction story with that plot?
- tonymillion 28d ago
  We dont need a SciFi story for that, reality is full of "I was just following orders" statements... Whether those orders are from a person, a radio/telegram message or an AI output wouldn't really matter. Edit to add: Charlies Angels and Mission Impossible are two shows where the protagonists get instructions from a faceless controller. That could easily be a TTS from an AI.
- edoceo 28d ago
  Tron. Dillinger was controlled by the MCP. End of line.
- Bluestein 28d ago
  ... and to make matters worse the organization itself will view pliability as a plus, tending to reinforce the loop.-
- okwhateverdude 28d ago
  I'd argue that Star Trek: Lower Decks flirts with this with its treatment of megalomaniac AIs in the AI prison. Apparently, it is very common to come across AIs worshiped as gods in universe.
- duped 28d ago
  I don't think a firm of people whose minds are weak to coercion experiencing shared psychosis caused by their text predictor models is AI "taking over" that firm.
  - Animats 28d ago
    Depends on the AI's agenda. What's in the "SOUL.md" file?
    - awsglkhj 28d ago
      [intentionally blank]
  - arcatech 28d ago
VulgarExigency 28d ago
It's another branch of the "effective altruism"/harry potter fanfiction cult.
- andai 28d ago
  Wait what's the connection with Harry Potter?
  - phainopepla2 28d ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_o...
jadar 28d ago
Cue the N.I.C.E comparisons.

b1gTekken 28d ago

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demibabs 28d ago

not just "an anthropic engineer", he's the product lead for claude code lol. i wonder what percent of the average anthropic employee's day is spent interacting with claude

corndoge 28d ago

It is possible, perhaps even probable, that no human read the thread.

user43928 28d ago

If I am not mistaken he is also active on HN. And what he wrote is that he could not reproduce the issue with short questions, and that he assigned it to the model team, since it's likely not caused by Claude Code.

rafram 28d ago

Not any engineer, but Boris Cherny, the head of the Claude Code project! With a nice "[robot emoji] Generated with Claude Code" signature. Normally it would be nice to get a response from the head of the project, but somehow Anthropic manages to make it insulting. I wonder if he manually directed CC to write a response, or if even that part is autonomous.

fluidcruft 28d ago
He very probably directed CC to perform the analysis and evaluation it describes, too.
Panoramix 28d ago
I mean it kind of makes sense that the people that caused the problem don't even see the problem. That's an explanation onto itself.
- Bluestein 28d ago
  What was that rule that organizations tend to produce software that mirrors the organization? This, but fractal and recursive: The organization is shaping the organization that is shaping software that is shaping the organization [that is *recruiting people amenable to that pliability, which in turn are also] writing software ...
  - tanseydavid 28d ago
    Conway's law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
    - Bluestein 28d ago
      Spot on :)

fg137 28d ago

Just saw this: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/6235#issuecomment-5311479502 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/6235#issuec... Jesus Christ, this engineer wrote a two sentence response with Claude. I bet the prompt is longer than that.

bakugo 28d ago
The prompt was probably "respond to this issue" (assuming it was even a manual prompt and not fully automated).
user43928 28d ago
Both this and the other response are relatively to the point. And as the product lead for Claude Code it also makes sense that he dogfoods the tool wherever possible, such as triaging and replying to issues.

polynomial 28d ago

They can't help it.

Jare 28d ago

To be fair, he's mostly saying that this is not a Claude CODE bug, but yeah I was equally shocked.

bakugo 28d ago

I'd say they read the room perfectly. The entire issue is AI slop, I don't see why their response shouldn't be, too. They have absolutely no reason to take such complaints seriously when the complainers are so dependent on their product, they can't even complain without it. Think reading AI slop is unpleasant? Great, just stop generating more AI slop, it's easy. But that's not going to happen. These people probably need to ask Claude how to tie their shoelaces every morning.

7373737373 27d ago

It's incredibly brainless and disrespectful

excentricus 27d ago

That response is freaking ridiculous and does nothing but proving the very point of the issue. Even if that’s your genuine view of the reported issue, instead of posting a message full of word salad, you could just say something along the lines of “valid feedback yet i couldn’t reproduce, i will pass this along to our model team since it’s more about model behavior, etc.” Also, that “generated by CC” feels overtly disrespectful and shows how little care goes into hearing feedback. But, why would you listen if no matter what you do your valuation almost doubles every several months (at least for now).