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Out of interest, do Musk's politics impact your decision on whether or not to use Grok? I'd be interested to know where folks lie on the (Agree / Disagree) and
by soVeryTired 1mo ago
Out of interest, do Musk's politics impact your decision on whether or not to use Grok? I'd be interested to know where folks lie on the (Agree / Disagree) and (Use / Don't use) axes.
- gafferongames 1mo agoWill never use any product Musk is involved in creating for the rest of my life.
- JKCalhoun 1mo agoYeah, I'm in the same boat. No StarLink, no Grok, no X, no Tesla (that one is easy though—I typically spend about $15K when I buy a car). He's become a toxic "brand".
- tsegratis 1mo agoi read an independent study that found other ai were all left of center (how ever one measures that, sentiment analysis normalized to a given population??). they said grok was evenly left/right split but what's to validate any given population as centrist anyway they suggested the ai opinion drift was caused by internet demographics not directly reflecting actual population i.e. California publishes more etc
- michaelmrose 1mo ago[flagged]
- AussieWog93 1mo agoMan, I got ready to debunk this but just questioned my life choices instead. Why the fuck am I glued to my smartphone arguing with people posting shit like this instead of spending time with my daughters, creating new things or looking after my own body and soul. Michael, please copy your comment verbatim into any LLM with search capabilities and ask for primary sources that confirm or deny your statements, and break down the beliefs by party. Then, use your real flesh and meat brain to ponder where your (not other peoples' - your own) beliefs about this came from, and what their motivations for blasting them at you could be. Goodbye HN, I think I'm done with this site for good.
- notfromhere 1mo ago[flagged]
- Natfan 1mo ago[flagged]
- asadotzler 1mo ago[flagged]
- michaelmrose 1mo ago[flagged]
- btreecat 1mo ago[flagged]
- aeturnum 1mo agoI certainly have some political disagreements with Musk, but more than that I would say the way he runs his companies makes me extremely anxious. The man is just always talking about stuff that never actually happens. In practice it does seem like cooler heads prevail and Grok et al. have trajectories pretty in line with other major providers...but because they're pretty in line why take the risk? Why build on foundations that ostensibly could be re-tasked to produce a "woke free" Odyssey? [1] https://futurism.com/future-society/elon-musk-ai-woke-free-odyssey https://futurism.com/future-society/elon-musk-ai-woke-free-o...
- sieabahlpark 1mo ago[dead]
- Computer0 1mo agoI avoid Grok for meaningful token spend on purpose/boycotting. I do check in via openrouter occasionally to check it's chat performance which has seemed fine to me since 4. My total grok spend has been ~$2. I disagree with his politics to a huge degree. My token spend at api rates is about $3000 usd a month recently.
- snapplebobapple 1mo agoWhich part of his politics?
- notfromhere 1mo agoMight be his commitment to fascism across the western world
- Natfan 1mo agothe nazi salute, for one
- episode404 1mo agoMy heart goes out to people like you who believe in that manufactroversy.
- Natfan 1mo agoand all pro-life americans are anti-gun? because actions now === words?
- 8note 1mo agoagitating for pogroms in ireland is the most recent one
- snapplebobapple 1mo agoI am peacing out on this thread because the level of delusion presented in it is beyond curable
- popalchemist 1mo ago[flagged]
- mlcrypto 1mo agoIn some circles any AI usage puts you in the same bucket as the worst of the worst
- CookieCrisp 1mo agoIn some circles using soap used to put you in the worst of the worst
- garciasn 1mo agoYou’re right; that’s why REST is now popular.
- popalchemist 1mo agoRather a nonsequitur when Elon did the Nazi salute twice put a literal fascist in office, and continues to attempt to in other democracies.
- aaron695 1mo ago[dead]
- coder-3 1mo agoI disagree with Musk's politics but it does not impact my decision to use Grok. That's because being serious about aligning my capital to my values doesn't leave much in the way of eligible products or services. I consequently decide not to worry about this as a moral axis for my life.
- milchek 1mo agoInteresting question. I suppose it comes down to how much you allocate his involvement or presence to a product? I’d imagine Grok is built by hundreds of engineers who are all unique individuals from various backgrounds. If Elon simply “leads” from a very surface level where he has no direct day to day involvement in Grok releases does that make it more palatable? Or is the question really about how involved he is? Or is simply being the leader (even if he was 100% absent and only had his name attached to a project/company) enough to boycott? On a similar note, how much Elon hate is about his politics vs his trillionaire status vs what I like to call “watercooler hate” where folks simply parrot the loudest opinion in order to be accepted into the group? On a final note, my son is in primary school and recently brought up in a dinner time discussion that “Elon is really bad” - this is a kid who has no social media (unlike some of his peers who are already on TikTok) and doesn’t watch traditional media.
- wfvr 1mo ago[flagged]
- locknitpicker 1mo ago> The man did a nazi salute on live TV, not once but twice. And you know he meant it. He's also publicly and militantly supported quite a few far right political parties throughout Europe, particularly those who have a long track record on race-based topics.
- darkoob12 1mo ago[flagged]
- 8note 1mo agoits pretty on the record that musk takes a direct role in writing the system prompts, no? and is eager to make updates if whatever ml products arent sufficiently matching the specific politics and musk adoration that he wants it to?
- darkoob12 1mo agoIt does. I believe he is one of the worst people and contributed to misery of humanity. I had nothing against him until he dismantled USAID. The richest man in the world did not go to a party on weekend to make sure that poorest men on the world have less help. He was basically on the side of HIV. So i never use his products. Beside don't read too much in to benchmarks. They are alrrady ruined by Goldhart principle. Tgese models have already seen most of the data.
- notourproblem 1mo ago[flagged]
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- Pearse 1mo agoDid you make an account just to make this comment?
- darkoob12 1mo agothen why did you spent 30 billion on stupid Iran war?
- notourproblem 1mo agoI don't support that war. Iran having nukes definitely isn't our problem, its Israel's.
- episode404 1mo agothis but unironically
- Paradigma11 1mo agoAbsolutely, if there is any somewhat reasonable alternative, I will always use a non Musk product. Its less about morals but more about self interest. I am from Europe and Musk supports far right extremists and a breakup of the EU. I will not support and enable someone who intends to do me harm.
- stainlesswolf 1mo ago[dead]