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The world would almost assuredly be a better place if 14 year olds were looking at playboy magazines instead of having easy access to every fetish under the sun
by tw04 1mo ago
The world would almost assuredly be a better place if 14 year olds were looking at playboy magazines instead of having easy access to every fetish under the sun. It has distorted many a young man’s ideas of intimacy and sexual relations.
- krapp 1mo ago"Playboy magazines" are part of the problem. Fetishes aren't what has distorted mens' ideas of intimacy and sexual relations. Fetishes can be a perfectly healthy and consensual form of sexual expression. The problem is the lack of proper sexual education in schools and open dialogue in society because we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy, and they learn to see their own self worth as a function of their sexual prowess, and women as sexual currency. Kill all the porn sites and you also kill any site that provides education about sex and gender issues (which society won't,) especially for gay and transgender kids, and any site about womens' health issues, because "public morals" tends to consider all of it obscene, inherently pornographic or just "icky."
- yieldcrv 1mo agoHuge blind spot to think that content only affects men’s view of intimacy and sexual relations Explain that one for the class Its a common conception but today is your lucky day to articulate it
- tw04 1mo agoTo be clear, you want me to articulate a point that you fabricated and then attributed to me? I think I’m going to pass, but feel free to continue the discussion with yourself about things I didn’t say.
- yieldcrv 1mo agoto clarify, you're suggesting I introduced a strawman argument because your focus on men wasn't mean to exclude anyone else? that's... interesting. can you instead tell us why you prioritize men's sexuality over others then? or if that's somehow a distortion of what you said too, can you tell us why the focus on men at all?
- what 1mo agoPsst, he didn’t reply to you. He replied to the person that replied to you.
- yieldcrv 1mo agoGood catch, I also wouldn’t have posted if I noticed that
- dash2 1mo ago> The problem is the lack of proper sexual education in schools and open dialogue in society because we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy The UK has a lot of sex education, no such taboos, and is the home of OnlyFans. Are any of the problems you mention better in the UK than the US? > Kill all the porn sites and you also kill any site that provides education about sex and gender issues (which society won't,) especially for gay and transgender kids, There is no reason this has to be true.
- krapp 1mo ago>The UK has a lot of sex education, no such taboos, and is the home of OnlyFans. Are any of the problems you mention better in the UK than the US? I don't know, probably. >There is no reason this has to be true. The incessant need of moralists and God-botherers to purge society of anything they deem immoral is the reason. You give these people an inch and and a legal pretext and they take a mile.
- thin_carapace 1mo agoi consider the negative impact of child exposure to hardcore pornography as outweighing the positives of online sex education and would prefer them both deleted rather than having the former involved
- the_other 1mo agoIf you ban the latter, the former will proliferate in secret until it becomes the dominant culture.
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- thin_carapace 1mo agoit already is the dominant culture. just look at the birth rate, as well reported damage from hardcore sex eg anal fissure rates, as well the existence of the western term gooning.
- donkey_brains 1mo ago“ we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy, and they learn to see their own self worth as a function of their sexual prowess, and women as sexual currency.” Holy…what the actual…get out of my head. Where can I read more about this idea/how to recover from this type of upbringing? Please?
- mrguyorama 1mo agoTherapy and an emotionally mature and patient partner.
- PixyMisa 1mo agoWhy are sites about women's health issues posting porn, exactly?
- krapp 1mo agoThey aren't, I never said they were.
- somenameforme 1mo agoSex education is, outside of some places in Europe, very rare. You'll certainly find such things far and few between in Asia. So not only is it absent in non-Christian nations, but the places where it is present, like Scandiland for ex, tend to be Christian. Porn, let alone fetish porn, has a big problem because all the actors, including "amateur", are not only 'heavily used' and completely desensitized, but also the sort of people willing to publicly share video of themselves having sex. And so anybody taking any sort of que from there, whatsoever, has no clue what normal sex or normal relations look like.
- socalgal2 1mo agoIt doesn't require porn. Most movies, tv shows, rom-coms or dramas, have "unrealistic" depictions of "normal" relationships.
- hobo123 1mo agoIndeed, IMHO romance on tv did much more to poison relationships than pr0n. I'm pretty sure most guys know that what they see on pr0n isn't "real."
- krapp 1mo ago>Porn, let alone fetish porn, has a big problem because all the actors, including "amateur", are not only 'heavily used' and completely desensitized, but also the sort of people willing to publicly share video of themselves having sex. Maybe, but none of that is germane to the subject at hand. It's the responsibility of parents and other adults to keep children away from porn, and to teach them about sex and normal relations. Removing porn doesn't solve that problem because again the problem isn't the porn, it's the fact that porn is serving a role in educating people that society refuses to.
- mlrtime 1mo ago>It's the responsibility of parents and other adults to keep children away from porn The only way to do that [currently] is legislation. It is impossible otherwise.
- cm2012 1mo agoLol I have never met someone in my adult life in the usa who was strictly for abstinence before marriage. You are extremely overstating the taboo of it here.
- tstrimple 1mo agoSounds like you're extremely limited in your experiences in the US. Maybe you should sit this one out? Your ignorance is not as good as someone else's lived experience. https://ncac.org/resource/timeline-of-abstinence-only-education-in-u-s-classrooms https://ncac.org/resource/timeline-of-abstinence-only-educat...
- sapphicsnail 1mo agoDo you know many religious people? It's pretty common in the evangelical Christian community I grew up in.
- knodi123 1mo agoI know dozens. I'm sure I've met thousands. I used to be active in a lutheran (LCMS) church. If that's where you form your social network, you're likely to be _primarily_ around people who believe in abstinence before marriage. And if you're non-religious, you'll have a different social network. America maybe a melting pot, but if you'll let me abuse the metaphor a bit- there's not a lot of stirring going on. There are conservative churches in every city in the US, and this is still a fairly religious country.
- mlrtime 1mo agoLCMS is more conservative as you know, There is a lot of disagreement between ELCA. I know of many lutheran [cool] pastors who had earrings, pony tails, never preached a single word about strict abstinence. There are many gay members of the Lutheran church and are welcomed.
- knodi123 1mo agoLCMS and ELCA are practically different religions, IMO. In fact, my pastor at the time had a long angry rant about one of his peers who gave a speech at an event where ELCA pastors also spoke- he said that speaking alongside them gave the false impression that we condone their behavior (ordaining women, accepting gays), which we absolutely did not. I'm not religious at all anymore. But I value my time as a devout person, it was super educational, and honestly I got a lot out of it. But I wouldn't go back there even for the social aspects.
- spoonjim 1mo agoThe first two videos listed on PornHub.com are "FUCK THE CONDOM! Skinny Blonde Girl Opens HER LITTLE ASSHOLE FOR MY BIG COCK" and "2 Friends Want to Try an African Dick in the Ass for the First Time While They're Pissed On and Humiliated." The First Amendment makes this kind of stuff borderline impossible to regulate in the US, but it's pretty obvious that this stuff is harmful to people's brains and that society would be better off it was not available to people (especially minors).
- inigyou 1mo agoThe first two videos listed on YouTube.com are "FUCK THE SCAMMER! Indian Scammer Opens HIS LITTLE WALLET FOR MY BIG COMPUTER HACK" and "2 Friends Want To Try Benadryl Challenge for the First Time While They're Pissed On Drugs"
- prepend 1mo agoThose results are personalized based on your marketing history and surveillance capitalism. So it really is just a reflection of your proclivities than anything societal.
- iammrpayments 1mo ago“Kill all the porn sites and you also kill any site that provides education about sex and gender issues (which society won't,) especially for gay and transgender “*kids*” What?
- krapp 1mo agoRead all the words. I know it's Hacker News and that's asking for a lot of emotional maturity in a thread like this but I believe in you.
- iammrpayments 1mo agoYou have to be mentally insane to think porn websites provide health education or that they are the only source in a conservative society for adults, and then you mention kids in the same comment. I’m not sure if you’re being edgy or just trolling.
- inigyou 1mo agoI think they're saying that religious extremists classify sex education (especially gay or transgender related) as porn and try to use porn laws to get it banned.
- gghackernewsgg 1mo agoI think what they are saying is that porn is often the only way for kids to learn what sex looks like.
- duskdozer 1mo agoMany of the people in the US behind attempts to ban "pornography" also classify anything involving LGBT people, including children, as pornographic. It's about the specific definition of "pornography" as it will be in the law, and that's what will matter.
- sapphicsnail 1mo agoI think it's important to make a distinction between actual porn sites and sites that just have people talking about LGBTQ stuff. I'm trans and me and my spouse don't want our kids to watch porn.
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- safety1st 1mo agoOne third of porn consumers are women. They are hardly immune.
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- dqh 1mo agoBut they are less violent.
- inigyou 1mo ago[citation needed] - lesbian relationships have the most domestic violence, and gay male relationships the least.
- neonnoodle 1mo agoThis is not true. IIRC this factoid comes from the results of surveys asking people whether they had ever been the victims of domestic violence (not necessarily in their current relationships), and it should come as no surprise that relationships comprised of two women have the highest reporting rates of having been subjected to violence over their lifetimes, and relationships of two men the lowest rates. Within-relationship rates of domestic violence for lesbian couples are not higher than for heterosexual couples!
- mapontosevenths 1mo ago> The world would almost assuredly be a better place if 14 year olds were looking at playboy magazines instead of having easy access to every fetish under the sun. That was the world I grew up in. It was not better, it was just less open.
- Sha1rholder 1mo agoIn what aspect is Playboy magazines superior?
- Barrin92 1mo agoit contained significantly less extreme content. There's studies on kids as young as 12 routinely being exposed to sexual violence, practices such as choking or degrading activity in porn and viewing it as so normal that young women report being expected to take part in it. Fetishes and kinks that were reserved for adults are now normalized among teens. "In an essay published in The Free Press in August, 16-year-old Isabel Hogben described how, by the time she was in 4th grade, she had seen internet porn featuring “simulated incest, bestiality, extreme bondage, sex with unconscious women, gangbangs, sadomasochism and unthinkable physical violence.” This is not an isolated case: A French government task force on equality recently reported that as much as 90% of online pornography features “verbal, physical and sexual violence toward women.” Playboy wasn't necessarily a beacon of feminism (although sometimes surprisingly it was) but what young people are exposed to is in an entirely different category. https://archive.ph/CPeNz https://archive.ph/CPeNz
- kotaKat 1mo agoTo quote Alito, on Pornhub: "Is it like the old Playboy magazine? You have essays there by the modern-day equivalent of Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley Jr.?"
- SoftTalker 1mo ago> it contained significantly less extreme content And I think that's understating it. I have not read a Playboy (is it even still in print?) since I was a teenager. At that time, the pictures showed breasts and maybe some pubic hair. Even the more "hardcore" magazines that were generally available such as Penthouse and Hustler were tame compared to even the front-page thumbnails on Pornhub. There were more explicit magazines produced, but you could only get them in "adult" bookstores and if you were under 18 you could not get in, and if you were over 18 there was a certain fear/shame of possibly being seen there that kept most people away. If you really wanted it you could get hardcore stuff of course, but it was a lot more effort and cost compared to just opening a web browser. It was not something most people had ever really seen, certainly not among young children and teens.
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