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Why develop this when the core editor is almost unusable? On Linux wayland, copypaste is broken, the file manager is laggy and snippets do not trigger before th

by yza 1mo ago

Why develop this when the core editor is almost unusable? On Linux wayland, copypaste is broken, the file manager is laggy and snippets do not trigger before the heavy hint logic is done. This is just on top of my head, the list is long

Pavilion2095 1mo ago
Because it's not broken, the issues you're describing are far from universal. Also, fixing them won't bring any money.
dylanz 1mo ago
I started using Zed a couple weeks ago and immediately had issues with copy/paste/buffer on an M1 Mac. I tried a few suggested fixes and they didn't work.
Petersipoi 1mo ago
> when the core editor is almost unusable Shit, as someone who uses Zed everyday, I didn't realize what I am using is unusable.
- yza 1mo ago
  I guess we have slightly different standards and/or use cases
mosburger 1mo ago
I use it as a daily driver with few if any problems, but I'm on macOS. Maybe their Linux support is particularly crappy?
- f311a 1mo ago
  There are a lot of subtle bugs. I'm on macOS too, but perhaps my workflow is unusual? Every time I open it, I find small bugs. There are so many features that it's hard to maintain them, I guess. For example, a lot of disable buttons do not actually disable stuff. They just hide it from the UI.
- yza 1mo ago
  Yep. Many issues are Linux only. And even with the issues it’s still more pleasant to use than vscode/ium.
Daunk 1mo ago
It still doesn't actually display a window my end until I press a keyboard key or move the mouse. So very often I sit and wait for it to open, only to realize I have to press a random key for it to unhide. Terrible Linux support.
- MrDrMcCoy 1mo ago
  That's something I've never encountered on Linux/KDE/Wayland/Flatpak across Debian Trixie, Arch, and Fedora. Might be worth nuking your local Zed files and trying again.
minraws 1mo ago
Just installed it, works on my kde and niri setups (I logged out and switched to each), copy paste works as well. File manager laggi-ness I didn't notice I don't use it, I use it mostly to type stuff out. I have never used snippets so unsure about that too, going from command bar seemed to work. I think it might be bad, but could also be it's not correctly configured maybe try asking codex/claude or something to check if it can fix/fine tune the config, if that doesn't work file issues? I do suspect it might be working for me cause I got lucky I do see an open issue[1], but given Zed is used a bunch the lack of comments does suggest maybe it's not that wide spread either way not a good look. [1]: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/47004 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/47004 Maybe I got lucky?? Does it not auto update on linux maybe I am on an old build... Very suspicious.
- yza 1mo ago
  The copy-paste bug manifests itself after some time and the bug is silent.
  - MrDrMcCoy 1mo ago
    I regularly leave it open for days and never run into any copy/paste bugs in Wayland/Flatpak.
JaggedJax 1mo ago
I had to stop using Zed because of this issue (which persists despite being closed): https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/38109 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/38109 I can't use an editor where the file contents I'm being shown don't match the reality of the file. I guess this issue doesn't affect most people somehow, but in the age of CLI agents I'm not sure how more people aren't running into it. I was really enjoying Zed for a short while before I ran into this fundamental issue.
- honeycrispy 1mo ago
  I do not have this issue. (Yes, I am on Linux/Wayland)
  - JaggedJax 1mo ago
    All I can say is it's the only editor I've ever used with this type of issue and unfortunately it's a deal breaker for me. I can get by with any other editor even if they aren't my favorite, but only Zed made me realize that the most important thing an editor can do for me is accurately show me files.
    - nirvdrum 1mo ago
      Have you checked your fs.inotify.max_user_watches value? Maybe your value is too low and Zed can't watch the files that are changing. I know the JetBrains IDEs need the default to be increased on Linux because they detected it and prompted me to increase it.
      - AlotOfReading 1mo ago
        Even if that's the case, max_user_watches is never less than 8k unless you've set it lower for some reason. If the editor is prioritizing currently open files as it should, there should basically never be a problem even if project sync suffers.
        1mo ago
danmoz 1mo ago
"Almost unusable"? Slight hyperbole don't you think? I initially tried the Flatpak version on Fedora 44 and had a few minor problems, but since switching to the terra repos version (terrapkg.com) I've had zero issues, Have you tried that? For me, its a massive improvement over IntelliJ for my daily workflow.
- mhaberl 1mo ago
  > massive improvement over IntelliJ for my daily workflow. Why? I used Zed for about 6 months but I lost motivation. I have the full jetbrains subscription and use it for some debugging etc. I got vim for quick edits and cli tooling for ai. I got no use case for Zed.
- the__alchemist 1mo ago
  This is surprising to hear. I have Zed on my tablet as IntelliJ (PyCharm/RustRover) turn it into a space heater. Zed's introspection/refactoring/general language knowledge etc isn't on the same tier at JB; it's closer to VsCode in that regard. I.e., I'd classify Zed as a project-based editor, while JB is an IDE.
- whalesalad 1mo ago
  I have been using Zed for about a year now on Debian 12 / Wayland and it works flawlessly. Even with Toshy (macOS) keybindings. I have it installed now on my Framework 13 Pro (also Fedora 44, and also with Toshy) and it works great aside from a subtle (100ms?) lag when using ctrl+arrow-key. Otherwise it is great. The only thing that doesn't work well is inertial scrolling[0]. But scrolling is a fucking shit show on Linux no matter what... so I don't necessarily fault Zed for this. The same issue occurs in other apps. - [0] https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/14473 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/14473
- enraged_camel 1mo ago
  >> For me, its a massive improvement over IntelliJ for my daily workflow. That's a bit of a low bar. Perhaps that's the disconnect?
- yza 1mo ago
NortySpock 1mo ago
Agree, copy-paste feels like it works 80% of the time, which is maddening when 1 in 5 copy paste attempts fail. (mostly from zed to something else) Why?? At least Excel has the courtesy to telling you "Hey the copy-paste buffer said it didn't catch that, can you try again?" Linux Wayland (Ubuntu 26.04)
adulion 1mo ago
why develop this when it seems jetbrains had a local history feature which recorded every change for the past decade(s)
throwatdem12311 1mo ago
Ha if you thought it was laggy try it on software accelerated graphics.
insane_dreamer 1mo ago
I've been using this "almost unusable" editor daily on both Linux and Mac for the past year and now experience no issues. while I still have JetBrains I haven't used it at all in at least six months.
subarctic 1mo ago
Thankfully it's been working well for me when i use it, which tbh hasn't been that much lately since I'm getting an agent to write code for me more and more. One thing they need to add is a way to double click on file names in agent output to navigate to it. It works in the bottom terminal but not the agent terminal panes or built in agents
janilowski 1mo ago
What exactly is broken with copy-paste? I've been using Zed on Wayland (official install, not flatpak and not terra) and had no issues with this.
- yza 1mo ago
  lucky you, but here's the issue (note: there have been at least 3 issues before this one) https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/58651 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/58651 crossing fingers it's solved for real now. i only use wayland on my laptop where it seems to be fixed, my go-to machine is with Xorg where there's no copy-paste problems
manlymuppet 1mo ago
I'm on macOS, but the core editor is far from unusable. I think it's unfair to call it that. Zed is my daily driver and I'm pretty happy with it. I often switch over to other editors to do things Zed can't, but it's rarer than you'd think and really isn't that much of a hassle.
andreashaerter 1mo ago
Can't relate (Fedora 44 GNOME with Wayland, AMD Ryzen AI 7 PRO w/ Radeon 860M), binary install (no Flatpak). Using Zed as daily driver since ~4 Months, never had such problems. Completely ditched VS Code and never looked back. Maybe some Ubuntu-specific issue?

by yza 1mo ago

Pavilion2095 1mo ago

Because it's not broken, the issues you're describing are far from universal. Also, fixing them won't bring any money.

dylanz 1mo ago

I started using Zed a couple weeks ago and immediately had issues with copy/paste/buffer on an M1 Mac. I tried a few suggested fixes and they didn't work.

Petersipoi 1mo ago

> when the core editor is almost unusable Shit, as someone who uses Zed everyday, I didn't realize what I am using is unusable.

yza 1mo ago
I guess we have slightly different standards and/or use cases

mosburger 1mo ago

I use it as a daily driver with few if any problems, but I'm on macOS. Maybe their Linux support is particularly crappy?

f311a 1mo ago
There are a lot of subtle bugs. I'm on macOS too, but perhaps my workflow is unusual? Every time I open it, I find small bugs. There are so many features that it's hard to maintain them, I guess. For example, a lot of disable buttons do not actually disable stuff. They just hide it from the UI.
yza 1mo ago
Yep. Many issues are Linux only. And even with the issues it’s still more pleasant to use than vscode/ium.

Daunk 1mo ago

It still doesn't actually display a window my end until I press a keyboard key or move the mouse. So very often I sit and wait for it to open, only to realize I have to press a random key for it to unhide. Terrible Linux support.

MrDrMcCoy 1mo ago
That's something I've never encountered on Linux/KDE/Wayland/Flatpak across Debian Trixie, Arch, and Fedora. Might be worth nuking your local Zed files and trying again.

minraws 1mo ago

Just installed it, works on my kde and niri setups (I logged out and switched to each), copy paste works as well. File manager laggi-ness I didn't notice I don't use it, I use it mostly to type stuff out. I have never used snippets so unsure about that too, going from command bar seemed to work. I think it might be bad, but could also be it's not correctly configured maybe try asking codex/claude or something to check if it can fix/fine tune the config, if that doesn't work file issues? I do suspect it might be working for me cause I got lucky I do see an open issue[1], but given Zed is used a bunch the lack of comments does suggest maybe it's not that wide spread either way not a good look. [1]: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/47004 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/47004 Maybe I got lucky?? Does it not auto update on linux maybe I am on an old build... Very suspicious.

yza 1mo ago
The copy-paste bug manifests itself after some time and the bug is silent.
- MrDrMcCoy 1mo ago
  I regularly leave it open for days and never run into any copy/paste bugs in Wayland/Flatpak.

JaggedJax 1mo ago

I had to stop using Zed because of this issue (which persists despite being closed): https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/38109 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/38109 I can't use an editor where the file contents I'm being shown don't match the reality of the file. I guess this issue doesn't affect most people somehow, but in the age of CLI agents I'm not sure how more people aren't running into it. I was really enjoying Zed for a short while before I ran into this fundamental issue.

honeycrispy 1mo ago
I do not have this issue. (Yes, I am on Linux/Wayland)
- JaggedJax 1mo ago
  All I can say is it's the only editor I've ever used with this type of issue and unfortunately it's a deal breaker for me. I can get by with any other editor even if they aren't my favorite, but only Zed made me realize that the most important thing an editor can do for me is accurately show me files.
  - nirvdrum 1mo ago
    Have you checked your fs.inotify.max_user_watches value? Maybe your value is too low and Zed can't watch the files that are changing. I know the JetBrains IDEs need the default to be increased on Linux because they detected it and prompted me to increase it.
    - AlotOfReading 1mo ago
      Even if that's the case, max_user_watches is never less than 8k unless you've set it lower for some reason. If the editor is prioritizing currently open files as it should, there should basically never be a problem even if project sync suffers.
      - 1mo ago

danmoz 1mo ago

"Almost unusable"? Slight hyperbole don't you think? I initially tried the Flatpak version on Fedora 44 and had a few minor problems, but since switching to the terra repos version (terrapkg.com) I've had zero issues, Have you tried that? For me, its a massive improvement over IntelliJ for my daily workflow.

mhaberl 1mo ago
> massive improvement over IntelliJ for my daily workflow. Why? I used Zed for about 6 months but I lost motivation. I have the full jetbrains subscription and use it for some debugging etc. I got vim for quick edits and cli tooling for ai. I got no use case for Zed.
the__alchemist 1mo ago
This is surprising to hear. I have Zed on my tablet as IntelliJ (PyCharm/RustRover) turn it into a space heater. Zed's introspection/refactoring/general language knowledge etc isn't on the same tier at JB; it's closer to VsCode in that regard. I.e., I'd classify Zed as a project-based editor, while JB is an IDE.
whalesalad 1mo ago
I have been using Zed for about a year now on Debian 12 / Wayland and it works flawlessly. Even with Toshy (macOS) keybindings. I have it installed now on my Framework 13 Pro (also Fedora 44, and also with Toshy) and it works great aside from a subtle (100ms?) lag when using ctrl+arrow-key. Otherwise it is great. The only thing that doesn't work well is inertial scrolling[0]. But scrolling is a fucking shit show on Linux no matter what... so I don't necessarily fault Zed for this. The same issue occurs in other apps. - [0] https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/14473 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/14473
enraged_camel 1mo ago
>> For me, its a massive improvement over IntelliJ for my daily workflow. That's a bit of a low bar. Perhaps that's the disconnect?
yza 1mo ago

NortySpock 1mo ago

Agree, copy-paste feels like it works 80% of the time, which is maddening when 1 in 5 copy paste attempts fail. (mostly from zed to something else) Why?? At least Excel has the courtesy to telling you "Hey the copy-paste buffer said it didn't catch that, can you try again?" Linux Wayland (Ubuntu 26.04)

adulion 1mo ago

why develop this when it seems jetbrains had a local history feature which recorded every change for the past decade(s)

throwatdem12311 1mo ago

Ha if you thought it was laggy try it on software accelerated graphics.

insane_dreamer 1mo ago

I've been using this "almost unusable" editor daily on both Linux and Mac for the past year and now experience no issues. while I still have JetBrains I haven't used it at all in at least six months.

subarctic 1mo ago

Thankfully it's been working well for me when i use it, which tbh hasn't been that much lately since I'm getting an agent to write code for me more and more. One thing they need to add is a way to double click on file names in agent output to navigate to it. It works in the bottom terminal but not the agent terminal panes or built in agents

janilowski 1mo ago

What exactly is broken with copy-paste? I've been using Zed on Wayland (official install, not flatpak and not terra) and had no issues with this.

yza 1mo ago
lucky you, but here's the issue (note: there have been at least 3 issues before this one) https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/58651 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/58651 crossing fingers it's solved for real now. i only use wayland on my laptop where it seems to be fixed, my go-to machine is with Xorg where there's no copy-paste problems

manlymuppet 1mo ago

I'm on macOS, but the core editor is far from unusable. I think it's unfair to call it that. Zed is my daily driver and I'm pretty happy with it. I often switch over to other editors to do things Zed can't, but it's rarer than you'd think and really isn't that much of a hassle.

andreashaerter 1mo ago

Can't relate (Fedora 44 GNOME with Wayland, AMD Ryzen AI 7 PRO w/ Radeon 860M), binary install (no Flatpak). Using Zed as daily driver since ~4 Months, never had such problems. Completely ditched VS Code and never looked back. Maybe some Ubuntu-specific issue?