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- teravor 2mo ago> The NSA and the CIA with the same models, on the other hand, would use them exclusively for the good of the common man. has anyone ever made this absurd argument? the real argument is that CCP will leverage AI against US interests, which is obvious. it's weird how so many people pretend that they are citizens of the world and above it all.
- Cider9986 2mo agoUS citizens have a much greater threat from their own government than a government an ocean away. See, the Snowden Leaks.
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- blackqueeriroh 2mo ago> US citizens have a much greater threat from their own government than a government an ocean away. > See, the Snowden Leaks Are you saying the Snowden Leaks are more dangerous than a world where the CCP is a global hegemon? If your focus as an American is being safe as an American, what the US does in other countries is far less of a concern to you than what other countries might do to the US. In the case of the CCP, they have and will attempt to destabilize the United States of America and in turn make life measurably worse for Americans because they wish to be the world’s hegemon. Fundamentally, Americans are safer when the United States is the number one power than when China is the number one power.
- skywhopper 2mo agoChina, Russia, and plenty of other countries have all been actively and successfully destabilizing the US for well over a decade now. To the point that your argument about who is less a threat to Americans depends heavily on the skin color, religion, and ethnicity of those Americans.
- fidotron 2mo ago> If your focus as an American is being safe as an American, what the US does in other countries is far less of a concern to you than what other countries might do to the US. There's a causal relationship between "what other countries might do to the US" and "what the US does in other countries" which you seem quite keen to ignore.
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- alightsoul 2mo agoThis is an issue for the US exclusively. The rest of the world does not want a hegemon whether American or Chinese.
- cogman10 2mo ago> has anyone ever made this absurd argument? Yes, anthropic just put forward this argument. It's the whole point of the article. I agree, it's absurd.
- nicce 2mo ago-> the real argument is that CIA will leverage AI against China interests, which is obvious. it's weird how so many people pretend that they are citizens of the world and above it all. Works for both ways, which is fair?
- john_strinlai 2mo ago>the real argument is that CCP will leverage AI against US interests many people believe that the US will leverage AI against US citizen's interests.
- impulser_ 2mo agoYeah, but unlike China we have laws and ways to fight against it. China can and will do whatever the fuck they want they don't have to listen to the people of China.
- sodapopcan 2mo agoThe US has been doing whatever the fuck it wants without listening to its people lately, though.
- impulser_ 2mo agoWell good thing we have elections.
- sodapopcan 2mo agoEvery four years!
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- forafistfulof 2mo agoYou have "representative democracy". It is not the same as democracy, whatever you had been told in school. And since 2001 it is painfully clear: whichever representative you had, eventually he went to throw bombs on people, and no one asked joe if he liked that.
- sanderjd 2mo agoThe problem is that at the current moment with the current administration, it does not seem like we do "have laws and ways to fight against it". I'm more optimistic about the likelihood of the US system of government to heal itself than that statement might seem to imply. But it's just also the case that at the current moment in the US, the rule of law is very much under threat. And as your comment suggests, that same rule of law is a very important thing to the way of life in the US. It's a very bad situation that we've allowed ourselves to slouch into.
- NicuCalcea 2mo agoThe fact that much of the world is as unconcerned with the interests of the US as with those of China, if not less so, should give pause to Americans. As a citizen of neither country, Chinese open models are in my interest more than US closed models. My only concerns is that if/when Chinese AI becomes more powerful, they too will have little incentive to make their best models open weights.
- sanderjd 2mo agoActually this would be pretty great, because it would incentivize US labs to pursue the open weights strategy for the same reasons China is currently. I genuinely think that this is what the trends and incentives point toward: Competition to develop open weights models and to develop efficient inference hardware to run them. This would be good! But government policy could very easily screw it up.
- alightsoul 2mo agoThat's if American models fall behind Chinese ones. Why would Americans open source when they can create a Monopoly?
- sanderjd 2mo agoYes that's the "this" I was referring to. I guess a day later I don't really agree with my own comment that this would be "great", but it would be a silver lining of that happening.
- skywhopper 2mo agoDario Amodei Literally makes this exact argument in the OP.
- Barrin92 2mo ago>it's weird how so many people pretend that they are citizens of the world 97% of the world aren't US citizens and if you've taken a look at pew research surveys (or travelled to the so-called global south) you're going to be in for a bit of a shock (https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/07/15/people-in-many-countries-now-view-china-more-positively-than-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/07/15/people-in-many...) The competition and sheer output of China has driven prosperity, it's the largest trading partner of 150 countries, the US of 50. People don't need to be citizens of the world, they just need to rationally look at their own interests. China is driving down prices of technologies making them available in countries that never could afford first world prices, the US is driving the them into an energy crisis and bankruptcy.
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- voganmother42 2mo agoRight, I wonder if anyone who heard: “the Democratic Party is America's "greatest enemy,"” believes they are represented by US Interests? Withholding disaster aid to your perceived opposition. What are those interests again? What are the shared values again? Cruelty and corruption? Sounds unifying.
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- 0xDEAFBEAD 2mo agoGlobal development metrics have all moved in the right direction since the US became quasi-hegemonic in 1945 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNL96gAbgAA83tW.png?name=orig https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNL96gAbgAA83tW.png?name=orig
- protocolture 2mo agoOf course nothing else significant happened during that period.
- alightsoul 2mo agoThe argument itself is not necessary. But it's American exceptionalism which is the same thing Dario has.
- ____mr____ 2mo agoYes, this is the exact argument dario is implicitly making by saying that government repression and bioweapons from Chinese models are a danger and then cooperating with Palantir/DOW/US government
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- MikePlacid 2mo agoI can understand why the Western media calls something that has an official name of CPC (the Communist Party of China) as CCP (Chinese Communist Party? Not sure here). What puzzles me is - why ordinary people always repeat this wrong abbreviation. Is it like “I never check the sources, I trust everything that Western media publishes”?
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- TGower 2mo agoMore of a "Everyone knows what CCP references and I'd have to include a distracting explanation if I want to use the more technically correct acronym"
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- wincy 2mo agoFor something I say maybe a few times a year it’d be a great look to sneeringly point out and talk down to people every time I mention China in the context of international politics. Unless the Communist Party of the US (I’m not looking up its official name, because it doesn’t matter) wins the next presidential election it’s unlikely that people will call it anything but the CCP. Everyone know what everyone else means.
- idiotsecant 2mo agoUp until a few years ago the PRC used CCP themselves all the time. It's a handy little shibboleth. If someone calls it CPC they're probably a bot. CCP is a direct transliteration of the characters, so that's what it started as. Some time later China decided to change it but that's a lot of cultural inertia to move in a different direction.
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- ls_stats 2mo agoYeah, like bombing a children school, the CCP did that not long ago.