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I don't mean to be divisive, but this meme-like stream of news articles and comments about Europeans being silly about air conditioning, from the drill-baby-dri

I don't mean to be divisive, but this meme-like stream of news articles and comments about Europeans being silly about air conditioning, from the drill-baby-drill nation that refused to even try to do anything about climate change, really grates on me.

tshaddox 2mo ago
I didn’t see anything meme-like in the comment you responded to. Or even anything related to environmentalism. To me, it just looked like good health advice.
- otherme123 2mo ago
  In case you don't know, there is a meme in the US that Europe don't know/don't have A/C. We do, but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit when entering a building like a musseum, leaving with the impression we don't know A/C. No general A/C might be the case in regions that never needed it before (mild summers, cold winters), but their presence is increasing.
  - ValleZ 2mo ago
    It was fairly impossible to find a restaurant in Paris that had an AC not so long time ago. It’s totally not an issue in states.
    - cromka 2mo ago
      That's because Europeans are more of nonconformists and could deal with some 7 to 10 super hot days in a year. It's now weeks in a row.
      - throw-the-towel 2mo ago
        Europeans? Nonconformist? That was funny. If anything, the AC train wreck is caused by the society being incredibly conformist and conservative, trying to cling to the world of the 20th century that no longer exists.
      - wyclif 2mo ago
        Europeans are more accepting of being sweaty during the day.
        cromka 2mo ago
        During a couple days in a year. Yes, that's the nonconformity I speak of.
      - rayiner 2mo ago
        Europe could never "handle" it. Even in 1990-2001, Europe averaged about 3 heat-related deaths per 100,000: https://www.statista.com/chart/36367/average-annual-heat-related-mortality-per-100000-people https://www.statista.com/chart/36367/average-annual-heat-rel..., compared to about 1 per 100,000 in the Americas at the time. 3 per 100,000 is a lot. That's higher than the homicide rates in New England and the upper midwest of the U.S.
        Timon3 2mo ago
        Are these numbers actually based on the same way of counting heat-related deaths? As far as I have seen Europe looks at excess mortality, while the US only counts deaths explicitly attributed to heat-related issues. If there are different methods in use, I wouldn't be surprised if this accounted for a lot of the difference.
    - puttycat 2mo ago
      There are still hardly any, Paris, July '26.
    - xtiansimon 2mo ago
      Heck. The San Francisco Bay Area was largely AC free in my youth (except maybe Walnut Creek).
  - Tadpole9181 2mo ago
    Something like 90% of US residential buildings have AC. For Europe, it's around 20% (for good reason, mind you). It's not a meme if it's an actual fact that many European homes are not prepared for these kinds of increasingly common heat waves, and I got the impression that the parent was showing genuine concern.
    - thenthenthen 2mo ago
      House build after WW2 are terrible. I miss my ancient Berlin house with 80cm thick walls. Cool in summer, warm in winter.
      - 21asdffdsa12 2mo ago
        Room roofs as high as 3.5 m.. altbau
        thenthenthen 2mo ago
        Yeah, amazing! In my 1950’s renovated house the ceiling was like 220? Anyway, easy to touch without jumping, terrible
        21asdffdsa12 2mo ago
        Saw some "Plate" flat in the 2000s - came in- couldn't see the home owner, because some light fixture was dangling between me and his face.
  - tshaddox 2mo ago
    I'm well aware of the memes and discourse on Twitter (although I don't seek it out). My point is that that original comment had none of that. No calling people "europoor." Just important advice delivered unsensationally.
    - otherme123 2mo ago
      To me, it sounded a bit "euro-A/C-ignorant" meme, but maybe I am on the receiving end and thus slightly oversensitive, because El Niño is not scientifically linked to any climate effect in Europe. It is known to cause effects in North America from Canada to Mexico, whole South America, Australia, South and East Asia, and South of Africa. Why it might sound as an attack to an european? Europe is "first world" and has money to buy A/C (and in fact we are doing it). There will be regions that will suffer a lot more than Europe due to this El Niño event. The problem with Europe is not El Niño. Our problem is that we are the worse region in the world in how fast the temperature is rising, as you can see in this image/page: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/ https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/ https://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCNv4_ERSSTv5_1200km_Anom_6_2026_2026_1951_1980_100_180_90_0_2_ROB/amaps.png https://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCNv4_ERSS... We could live without A/C, and many thought that the increase would be bearable. But then we received a slap in the face, with +7ºC (+12ºF) in the western half, +4ºC (7ºF) in the eastern and north. Deaths by heat don't usually happen at someone's house without A/C: they primarily happen either to people in elderly homes without A/C and maybe even impaired to ask for help or to hydrate properly, or people working outside in sun hours. Putting A/C in every room of every home in Europe would do little if elderly homes, many of them public, are not properly adapted. Statistics in France show that 75% of the heat related deaths happen in people 75 and older, over 90% in people 65 and older. As sad as is might sound, it is seen as a new "natural cause" of death. Hopefully those buildings will adapt.
      - ricardobayes 2mo ago
        It's an extreme taboo topic to discuss but I suspect it's going to be a slow fix if at all: society kind of stops functioning at its best when people live until 90 or 100, and spend decades on pension, disrupting inheritance chains when people "need" them: most Europeans inherit apartments but what good does it do if you inherit in your late 60s? The reality is for most of European history, people inherited in their 40s and got their "big, family apartment" that way. Also, healthcare spend is really spent mostly on elderly: if you look in any given doctors waiting room, people tend to be old.
  - ricardobayes 2mo ago
    I just toured Europe and none of the lodgings (private dwellings) had AC. It was not fun when it was 35C out. South of Spain is actually one of the most comfiest places to be in summer despite being hotter on average, because many homes have AC due to it being cheap to install (and to my knowledge being run on near complete renewable energy).Some European countries' stance on this is bizarre, like Switzerland outright not allowing residential ACs.
    - obruchez 2mo ago
      "Switzerland outright not allowing residential ACs": That's not completely true, though. First, mobile/portable ACs are allowed pretty much everywhere in Switzerland, I think. Then, for fixed ACs, it depends in which canton you live. Geneva is the strictest, but in most cantons, fixed ACs are allowed under some conditions. Where I live, 50% of the AC energy must come from renewables (which is pretty easy if you have solar panels). Anyway, with all those recent heat waves, I'm pretty sure those rules will soon be relaxed in all cantons.
      - whatevaa 2mo ago
        Great when mobile ACs are mostly terrible, if-nothing-else choice. They can only cool a small room temporarily.
        obruchez 2mo ago
        Yes, they're terrible. That's why relaxing the rules for fixed AC is the way to go.
      - distantranges 2mo ago
        > mobile/portable ACs are allowed pretty much everywhere in Switzerland, I think. In Geneva even some mobile ACs, such as mobile split units, are banned without a permit https://www.ge.ch/rafraichir-climatiser-batiment/installation-climatisation-confort https://www.ge.ch/rafraichir-climatiser-batiment/installatio.... The only ones which are allowed are monoblock mobile ACs. Which is ridiculous given that they are the least efficient and consume way more energy than split mobile units or fixed ACs.
  - konart 2mo ago
    >but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit To be fair - cold air hit (I'm talking about big gaps betweet temperatures) is pretty bad for you. Ideally you don't want the temperature in a room to be (immediately) lower than T-5°C or so.
    - tpm 2mo ago
      but that's tough when the outside temp is 40°C
    - amalter 2mo ago
      Do you have a citation for that? I was under the impression that was an "old wives tale". Human's often face huge temperature swings in winter. In fact we go out of our way to experience these swings with saunas and cold plunges. I have put this up in the same category of "wet hair gives you pneumonia", but I am open to learning one way or another.
    - whatevaa 2mo ago
      I think these T- rules haven't really been thought through at temperatures reaching and exceeding 40C.
  - stasomatic 2mo ago
    I've only heard of this "meme" on this forum.
yostrovs 2mo ago
It would be one thing if Europe immediately stopped using coal, drastically reduced airline usage, quit building gasoline cars, but if anything it is only marginally better than the US. Europe mostly shifted their dirty work to Asia and North America, while restricting themselves from using air conditioning as some kind of virtue signaling. That's the problem as I see it.
- kakacik 2mo ago
  We literally destroyed our car industry to try to steer the incoming catastrophe a bit, what the fuck do you want more. Germany tried to be the leader of solar but that was stolen err migrated to China, whole world profits now. While US, China and rest of the world did nothing similar, just stood and let shit hit the fan hard. Gotta milk those petrodollars till the last cent because thats all that counts, fuck our children right. Yeah we are not going to burn ourselves further to the cinder to prove some anonymous yostrovs something he anyway refuses to see.
  - cromka 2mo ago
    Agreed, but then there's also Norway, the absolute champ of hypocrisy.
  - stinkbeetle 2mo ago
    You destroyed your auto industry by ceding it to countries with higher emission intensity of production. USA, China, Japan have higher intensity than even Germany which is on the upper end of Western European countries. That's not steering anywhere except more sharply into the wall! You've been lied to by your own ruling class. What else have they been lying to you about, I wonder?
  - yostrovs 2mo ago
    You also turned off nuclear power and stayed with lignite, the dirtiest of coals. Soon you'll stop using coal since you won't have much industry left to power. Germany seems confused.
- bcoughlan 2mo ago
jordanb 2mo ago
It's clearly an op by people who don't want the story to be about a historic heatwave ravaging Europe, so instead they make it about dum Europeans without air conditioning (which they didn't need before).
- puttycat 2mo ago
  The thing is that both sides have a point. European countries (notably France) have known for at least 30 years that this was coming, but was ideologically insisting not to install proper AC or even ventilation in public spaces and transport. This does not contradict the wider angle about Americans ignoring climate change.
  - jordanb 2mo ago
    > ideologically insisting not to install proper AC or even ventilation This is not supported by facts. People won't spend money on equipment they don't need. Most places in France do not need air conditioning (or did not need it). It makes no sense that a building owner or transit agency would spend limited funds on something that they do not need. One may argue that the government of France should have imposed some mandate that people install air conditioning, similar to how Texas failed to mandate insulation for its natural gas infrastructure. Such mandates would not have been popular unless they were funded. And even then I doubt they would have been popular but they also would have come with considerable cost to the taxpayer. There is additionally a cultural feeling in some parts of Europe (Germany) that conditioned air is stale and unhealthy. This is not "ideology" but it will certainly contribute to the idea that mass spending on rarely used equipment is wasteful. Finally, the entire world is unprepared for global warning, Including the USA. If the next massive climate disaster hits the US, say a drought or mega storm will the message be that "US climate denial ideology caused this" or will it be "nobody could have predicted this; random act of God; thoughts and prayers; nothing to be learned?"
    - rented_mule 2mo ago
      On top of everything you mention, AC makes the climate problems worse. Solar reduces the negative impact, but does not eliminate it. I live in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California. 15 years ago, typical summer daily highs made it into the 80s for a week or two, and in 10+ years of being here before that I never saw it hit 90°F. Now we're 90°F almost all summer and we hit 106°F last summer (the forecast says over 100°F by the end of this week). Overnight lows have seen a similar increase. I'm getting older and fans no longer keep me cool enough to function well. As a compromise, I installed evaporative cooling 5 years ago. In our climate (very dry air when it's hot) it works well and takes ~25% of the energy of AC to run (power is only consumed by a large fan motor and a small water pump). But it does consume water, increasing our total water usage in warm months by ~50%. We have plenty of water in our area, but that's been trending in the wrong direction as well, even in wetter years.
inquirerGeneral 2mo ago
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21asdffdsa12 2mo ago
What should they have done differently? They de-industrialized and did the out of sight and out of mind thing europe does now before europe?
xtiansimon 2mo ago
> “…Europeans being silly about air conditioning, from the drill-baby-drill nation…” Sounds like a ‘mixed-meme’. I appreciate your concern, but confused thinking bringing heightened emotions is counterproductive. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/mixed-metaphor https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/mixed...
sn9 2mo ago
It should be more grating that Europe's refusal to adopt air conditioning is murdering their most vulnerable at rates comparable to American gun deaths and (unlike climate change or gun violence) there's a trivial solution that would prevent this immediately instead of waiting decades.
- wlecometo 2mo ago
  These "most vulnerable ones" are the ones who don't want airco or that believe that climate change does not exist because it's summer of course it's hot.
  - sn9 2mo ago
    This is completely incoherent, especially since some European governments outlaw or restrict the installation of personal air conditioning in certain kinds of buildings. Belief in climate change isn't exactly rare in Europe.
wlecometo 2mo ago
it's the 2026 version of the "are they starving? give them croissant". "is it warm due to climate change? just install airco"

tshaddox 2mo ago

I didn’t see anything meme-like in the comment you responded to. Or even anything related to environmentalism. To me, it just looked like good health advice.

otherme123 2mo ago
In case you don't know, there is a meme in the US that Europe don't know/don't have A/C. We do, but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit when entering a building like a musseum, leaving with the impression we don't know A/C. No general A/C might be the case in regions that never needed it before (mild summers, cold winters), but their presence is increasing.
- ValleZ 2mo ago
  It was fairly impossible to find a restaurant in Paris that had an AC not so long time ago. It’s totally not an issue in states.
  - cromka 2mo ago
    That's because Europeans are more of nonconformists and could deal with some 7 to 10 super hot days in a year. It's now weeks in a row.
    - throw-the-towel 2mo ago
      Europeans? Nonconformist? That was funny. If anything, the AC train wreck is caused by the society being incredibly conformist and conservative, trying to cling to the world of the 20th century that no longer exists.
    - wyclif 2mo ago
      Europeans are more accepting of being sweaty during the day.
      - cromka 2mo ago
        During a couple days in a year. Yes, that's the nonconformity I speak of.
    - rayiner 2mo ago
      Europe could never "handle" it. Even in 1990-2001, Europe averaged about 3 heat-related deaths per 100,000: https://www.statista.com/chart/36367/average-annual-heat-related-mortality-per-100000-people https://www.statista.com/chart/36367/average-annual-heat-rel..., compared to about 1 per 100,000 in the Americas at the time. 3 per 100,000 is a lot. That's higher than the homicide rates in New England and the upper midwest of the U.S.
      - Timon3 2mo ago
        Are these numbers actually based on the same way of counting heat-related deaths? As far as I have seen Europe looks at excess mortality, while the US only counts deaths explicitly attributed to heat-related issues. If there are different methods in use, I wouldn't be surprised if this accounted for a lot of the difference.
  - puttycat 2mo ago
    There are still hardly any, Paris, July '26.
  - xtiansimon 2mo ago
    Heck. The San Francisco Bay Area was largely AC free in my youth (except maybe Walnut Creek).
- Tadpole9181 2mo ago
  Something like 90% of US residential buildings have AC. For Europe, it's around 20% (for good reason, mind you). It's not a meme if it's an actual fact that many European homes are not prepared for these kinds of increasingly common heat waves, and I got the impression that the parent was showing genuine concern.
  - thenthenthen 2mo ago
    House build after WW2 are terrible. I miss my ancient Berlin house with 80cm thick walls. Cool in summer, warm in winter.
    - 21asdffdsa12 2mo ago
      Room roofs as high as 3.5 m.. altbau
      - thenthenthen 2mo ago
        Yeah, amazing! In my 1950’s renovated house the ceiling was like 220? Anyway, easy to touch without jumping, terrible
        21asdffdsa12 2mo ago
        Saw some "Plate" flat in the 2000s - came in- couldn't see the home owner, because some light fixture was dangling between me and his face.
- tshaddox 2mo ago
  I'm well aware of the memes and discourse on Twitter (although I don't seek it out). My point is that that original comment had none of that. No calling people "europoor." Just important advice delivered unsensationally.
  - otherme123 2mo ago
    To me, it sounded a bit "euro-A/C-ignorant" meme, but maybe I am on the receiving end and thus slightly oversensitive, because El Niño is not scientifically linked to any climate effect in Europe. It is known to cause effects in North America from Canada to Mexico, whole South America, Australia, South and East Asia, and South of Africa. Why it might sound as an attack to an european? Europe is "first world" and has money to buy A/C (and in fact we are doing it). There will be regions that will suffer a lot more than Europe due to this El Niño event. The problem with Europe is not El Niño. Our problem is that we are the worse region in the world in how fast the temperature is rising, as you can see in this image/page: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/ https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/ https://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCNv4_ERSSTv5_1200km_Anom_6_2026_2026_1951_1980_100_180_90_0_2_ROB/amaps.png https://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCNv4_ERSS... We could live without A/C, and many thought that the increase would be bearable. But then we received a slap in the face, with +7ºC (+12ºF) in the western half, +4ºC (7ºF) in the eastern and north. Deaths by heat don't usually happen at someone's house without A/C: they primarily happen either to people in elderly homes without A/C and maybe even impaired to ask for help or to hydrate properly, or people working outside in sun hours. Putting A/C in every room of every home in Europe would do little if elderly homes, many of them public, are not properly adapted. Statistics in France show that 75% of the heat related deaths happen in people 75 and older, over 90% in people 65 and older. As sad as is might sound, it is seen as a new "natural cause" of death. Hopefully those buildings will adapt.
    - ricardobayes 2mo ago
      It's an extreme taboo topic to discuss but I suspect it's going to be a slow fix if at all: society kind of stops functioning at its best when people live until 90 or 100, and spend decades on pension, disrupting inheritance chains when people "need" them: most Europeans inherit apartments but what good does it do if you inherit in your late 60s? The reality is for most of European history, people inherited in their 40s and got their "big, family apartment" that way. Also, healthcare spend is really spent mostly on elderly: if you look in any given doctors waiting room, people tend to be old.
- ricardobayes 2mo ago
  I just toured Europe and none of the lodgings (private dwellings) had AC. It was not fun when it was 35C out. South of Spain is actually one of the most comfiest places to be in summer despite being hotter on average, because many homes have AC due to it being cheap to install (and to my knowledge being run on near complete renewable energy).Some European countries' stance on this is bizarre, like Switzerland outright not allowing residential ACs.
  - obruchez 2mo ago
    "Switzerland outright not allowing residential ACs": That's not completely true, though. First, mobile/portable ACs are allowed pretty much everywhere in Switzerland, I think. Then, for fixed ACs, it depends in which canton you live. Geneva is the strictest, but in most cantons, fixed ACs are allowed under some conditions. Where I live, 50% of the AC energy must come from renewables (which is pretty easy if you have solar panels). Anyway, with all those recent heat waves, I'm pretty sure those rules will soon be relaxed in all cantons.
    - whatevaa 2mo ago
      Great when mobile ACs are mostly terrible, if-nothing-else choice. They can only cool a small room temporarily.
      - obruchez 2mo ago
        Yes, they're terrible. That's why relaxing the rules for fixed AC is the way to go.
    - distantranges 2mo ago
      > mobile/portable ACs are allowed pretty much everywhere in Switzerland, I think. In Geneva even some mobile ACs, such as mobile split units, are banned without a permit https://www.ge.ch/rafraichir-climatiser-batiment/installation-climatisation-confort https://www.ge.ch/rafraichir-climatiser-batiment/installatio.... The only ones which are allowed are monoblock mobile ACs. Which is ridiculous given that they are the least efficient and consume way more energy than split mobile units or fixed ACs.
- konart 2mo ago
  >but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit To be fair - cold air hit (I'm talking about big gaps betweet temperatures) is pretty bad for you. Ideally you don't want the temperature in a room to be (immediately) lower than T-5°C or so.
  - tpm 2mo ago
    but that's tough when the outside temp is 40°C
  - amalter 2mo ago
    Do you have a citation for that? I was under the impression that was an "old wives tale". Human's often face huge temperature swings in winter. In fact we go out of our way to experience these swings with saunas and cold plunges. I have put this up in the same category of "wet hair gives you pneumonia", but I am open to learning one way or another.
  - whatevaa 2mo ago
    I think these T- rules haven't really been thought through at temperatures reaching and exceeding 40C.
- stasomatic 2mo ago
  I've only heard of this "meme" on this forum.

yostrovs 2mo ago

It would be one thing if Europe immediately stopped using coal, drastically reduced airline usage, quit building gasoline cars, but if anything it is only marginally better than the US. Europe mostly shifted their dirty work to Asia and North America, while restricting themselves from using air conditioning as some kind of virtue signaling. That's the problem as I see it.

kakacik 2mo ago
We literally destroyed our car industry to try to steer the incoming catastrophe a bit, what the fuck do you want more. Germany tried to be the leader of solar but that was stolen err migrated to China, whole world profits now. While US, China and rest of the world did nothing similar, just stood and let shit hit the fan hard. Gotta milk those petrodollars till the last cent because thats all that counts, fuck our children right. Yeah we are not going to burn ourselves further to the cinder to prove some anonymous yostrovs something he anyway refuses to see.
- cromka 2mo ago
  Agreed, but then there's also Norway, the absolute champ of hypocrisy.
- stinkbeetle 2mo ago
  You destroyed your auto industry by ceding it to countries with higher emission intensity of production. USA, China, Japan have higher intensity than even Germany which is on the upper end of Western European countries. That's not steering anywhere except more sharply into the wall! You've been lied to by your own ruling class. What else have they been lying to you about, I wonder?
- yostrovs 2mo ago
  You also turned off nuclear power and stayed with lignite, the dirtiest of coals. Soon you'll stop using coal since you won't have much industry left to power. Germany seems confused.
bcoughlan 2mo ago

jordanb 2mo ago

It's clearly an op by people who don't want the story to be about a historic heatwave ravaging Europe, so instead they make it about dum Europeans without air conditioning (which they didn't need before).

puttycat 2mo ago
The thing is that both sides have a point. European countries (notably France) have known for at least 30 years that this was coming, but was ideologically insisting not to install proper AC or even ventilation in public spaces and transport. This does not contradict the wider angle about Americans ignoring climate change.
- jordanb 2mo ago
  > ideologically insisting not to install proper AC or even ventilation This is not supported by facts. People won't spend money on equipment they don't need. Most places in France do not need air conditioning (or did not need it). It makes no sense that a building owner or transit agency would spend limited funds on something that they do not need. One may argue that the government of France should have imposed some mandate that people install air conditioning, similar to how Texas failed to mandate insulation for its natural gas infrastructure. Such mandates would not have been popular unless they were funded. And even then I doubt they would have been popular but they also would have come with considerable cost to the taxpayer. There is additionally a cultural feeling in some parts of Europe (Germany) that conditioned air is stale and unhealthy. This is not "ideology" but it will certainly contribute to the idea that mass spending on rarely used equipment is wasteful. Finally, the entire world is unprepared for global warning, Including the USA. If the next massive climate disaster hits the US, say a drought or mega storm will the message be that "US climate denial ideology caused this" or will it be "nobody could have predicted this; random act of God; thoughts and prayers; nothing to be learned?"
  - rented_mule 2mo ago
    On top of everything you mention, AC makes the climate problems worse. Solar reduces the negative impact, but does not eliminate it. I live in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California. 15 years ago, typical summer daily highs made it into the 80s for a week or two, and in 10+ years of being here before that I never saw it hit 90°F. Now we're 90°F almost all summer and we hit 106°F last summer (the forecast says over 100°F by the end of this week). Overnight lows have seen a similar increase. I'm getting older and fans no longer keep me cool enough to function well. As a compromise, I installed evaporative cooling 5 years ago. In our climate (very dry air when it's hot) it works well and takes ~25% of the energy of AC to run (power is only consumed by a large fan motor and a small water pump). But it does consume water, increasing our total water usage in warm months by ~50%. We have plenty of water in our area, but that's been trending in the wrong direction as well, even in wetter years.

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21asdffdsa12 2mo ago

What should they have done differently? They de-industrialized and did the out of sight and out of mind thing europe does now before europe?

xtiansimon 2mo ago

> “…Europeans being silly about air conditioning, from the drill-baby-drill nation…” Sounds like a ‘mixed-meme’. I appreciate your concern, but confused thinking bringing heightened emotions is counterproductive. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/mixed-metaphor https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/mixed...

sn9 2mo ago

It should be more grating that Europe's refusal to adopt air conditioning is murdering their most vulnerable at rates comparable to American gun deaths and (unlike climate change or gun violence) there's a trivial solution that would prevent this immediately instead of waiting decades.

wlecometo 2mo ago
These "most vulnerable ones" are the ones who don't want airco or that believe that climate change does not exist because it's summer of course it's hot.
- sn9 2mo ago
  This is completely incoherent, especially since some European governments outlaw or restrict the installation of personal air conditioning in certain kinds of buildings. Belief in climate change isn't exactly rare in Europe.

wlecometo 2mo ago

it's the 2026 version of the "are they starving? give them croissant". "is it warm due to climate change? just install airco"