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Ah, the Codeberg Drama

45 points by tomgag 2mo ago

fkdk 2mo ago
Time will tell whether Codeberg's approach of Valetudo-like community-building will work out.
openmarkand 2mo ago
The best thing I've seen in 2026. Thank you codeberg.
- jmclnx 2mo ago
  I agree, I went from github to gitlab. I should start looking at codeberg.
  - pixelesque 2mo ago
    Only if you host public FOSS projects - it's not a replacement for private repos. It seems a lot of people on here don't understand that.
izacus 2mo ago
Ah, I was waiting for the inevitable AI pusher "you're sticking your head in the sand this is INEVITABLE" argument pushed by OpenAI and others. Carry on, nothing to see here.
chrisandchris 2mo ago
> I notice that both PRs were filed after the assembly and after the ballots went out At least in Switzerland, you can not vote (well, you can but it does not have any effect) on things that are not mentioned within the agenda published and sent to members with the invitation. So IMHO these votes will not have any effect itself, just serve as an "indication". IANAL.
draw_down 2mo ago
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bagol 2mo ago
Banning LLM or crypto currency related projects is very bad. I think it's better to flag them or mark them, but let them be.
- calvinmorrison 2mo ago
  we should also flag any projects to do with the enshittification of the world. Probably banning all JS, node, bun, loaf or any other related projects would be good. Since we're talking about my opinions here, which should be construed as laws of my hosting platform, i always hated ruby so lets ban ruby. In fact codeberg shall only accept Perl programs going forward that are written using emacs
- c048 2mo ago
  They're not banning code written and maintained with the use of LLM's. They're banning projects entirely created by LLM's and heavily (or solely) maintained by LLM's. It's basically not allowing junkfood on their platform. Now that code is easier than ever to barf out, so will the amount of junk. As for tossing out any and all crypto projects... how is anyone still willing to associate themselves with that pile of garbage?
  - janantos 2mo ago
    Not true their explanation blog mentions as one of not welcomed projects are projects tied to LLM ecosystem, nevermind if written by human.
- wyldfire 2mo ago
  I tend to agree but you can't deny that the widespread use of LLMs means that codeberg will expend more resources overall for projects taking advantage of them. And its members have spoken. We might disagree about the conclusion they came to and even how they went about it but their stance is clear now so we might as well just move on.
  - Yokohiii 2mo ago
    Yeah but if it's about the hardware resources, why not just establish an option to ban projects that use them unreasonably for their projects relevance? In their explanation they say each project will be evaluated individually and the whatever-AI-allegations are not the primary reason to eventually ban. They could have established a direct way to protect hardware resource with an option to ban users that cause unreasonable load. Maybe not great but understandable considering they are an e.V.
customguy 2mo ago
> unbridled hatred for AI and Web3 reeks of neo-Luddism > distrust in other areas, such as quantum computing you haven't even begun getting to the point and already lost me > fear of the unknown Unknown what, lol? "we don't like X, Y Z for A, B, C reasons" "Luddites, fear of quantum computing.. oh no I'm confused, they're so afraid of the future." That is like someone mumbling at their shoes that someone is afraid of something. No notes. At any rate: Are you afraid of a control group? Are you afraid of a surface not covered in slop, so it may keep slop knowable? Are you afraid to sink alone?
bramhaag 2mo ago
You are simply not the target audience of Codeberg. That's okay. If you are on Arch, you can do this simple fix (instructions are similar for other distros): sudo pacman -S forgejo sudo systemctl enable --now forgejo
jalev 2mo ago
So who are you actually angry at? There was a vote, by people, in a democratic process, and Codeberg are adhering to it. Why is it Codeberg's problem that they don't defy the will of their members? Are you angry at them because the members put a motion against your particular special interests? If so, go make a new motion to reinstate them.
- microtonal 2mo ago
  It is of course in the right of voting members to do this. However, it undermines Codeberg as a stable repo hosting platform. If you are hosting a repo there for an open source project, it may suddenly be in violation after a whim of the voting members. The signal is now that Codeberg is an activist platform. That is fine, but that makes it unfit for many projects that want a largely neutral hoster. Just as they are free to do this, I am free to move my repositories elsewhere and stop donating. (And I'm nothing near a vibe oder, but the way the terms are now formulated, even doing LLM-assisted programming could be a violation.)
  - jackb4040 2mo ago
    > Just as they are free to do this, I am free to move It doesn't seem like you're amicably moving your projects away. It seems like you're going around tech forums arguing with the democratic decision and fear-mongering about how legitimate projects will be removed next.
    - Levitz 2mo ago
      >fear-mongering about how legitimate projects will be removed next. Fear-mongering? What were legitimate projects are getting removed already. This is not fear-mongering, it's just not being incredibly shortsighted.
      - jdiff 2mo ago
        Where will this slope slide next? It doesn't seem all that slippery to me. First they came for the LLMs, Lord knows plenty of people are speaking up, but who will they come for next in the dead of night after a majority of voting members publicly decide to boot them?
nearlyepic 2mo ago
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cyberjar 2mo ago
Whilst I think that criticism of such heavy-handed decision making is valid, I can't help but feel this blog post is littered with unhelpful and snide culture war remarks, and a smug attitude that this is the definitive end of Codeberg. If Codeberg truly has gone woke, people who espouse 'anti-censorship at any cost', like the author, will leave. But many others will remain.
greekrich92 2mo ago
Unironic use of "web3": article ignored
- masfuerte 2mo ago
  There was a quicker tell: opening with "Ah".
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mmaunder 2mo ago
Had to read this one twice: “Projects "written and maintained with heavy use of LLMs".” Isn’t that almost everything these days? If you’re using vscode or codex or Claude CLI you’re in that category.
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- classified 2mo ago
  You're absolutely right.
ursuscamp 2mo ago
I don't want to host my code on a platform that has activist goals beyond open source advocacy, but I'm glad it exists because it's a useful filter, like the X/Bluesky divide.
- jackb4040 2mo ago
  I really don't think you want to make an example of the "free speech app" that militantly censors pro-Palestine accounts while allowing AI-generated CSAM
- iamnothere 2mo ago
  I agree, and I’m hopeful that the people who leave will consider truly decentralized alternatives like Radicle. Especially for projects that might be more vulnerable/at risk to the whims of gatekeepers.
krapp 2mo ago
Stop complaining and get Claude or whatever to one-shot a competing service that only hosts AI and crypto with blackjack and hookers. If AI is inevitable then it's guaranteed infinity money. Show the lowly morlocks how it's done.
classified 2mo ago
Someone will always be upset about not getting for free what they wanted to get for free. Tough luck. I recommend a stiff upper lip.
bytejanitor 2mo ago
I wasn't that interested in Codeberg until now, but this actually looks like a wise decision.
zero_shift 2mo ago
I want to ask this in good faith Why do the very vocal "AI people" online have this thing where they are simultaneously: - proclaiming their thing to be inevitable and massive and a bulldozer of productivity; - responding to any negative reaction like they are almost like a persecuted group It seems paradoxical to me. If your LLM-written project is so amazing, who cares about the critics? Let them have their corner of the internet. There are plenty of other sites that will host your project. Perhaps if you are a heavy codeberg user it is annoying to move onto Forgejo. I get that. But ultimately Codeberg has the right to decide these things
- Ekaros 2mo ago
  And also if AI is so great creating your own community or place to host stuff should be trivial. Zero effort really. So I really see no reason to co-opt existing place. As they are already making money with AI so hosting costs are really nothing either. So there is no excuses not to have their own free community.
  - tclancy 2mo ago
    Seriously. And you know they would want hookers and blackjack anyway, so why don't they? Maybe because blackjack has fairer odds than the games they rig.
- tom_ 2mo ago
  It's definitely a theme, but some people are just like that (as has always been the case), and maybe they're the ones most inclined to comment on this matter. Another theory: https://lobste.rs/s/omq8rt/vibecoding_gets_emacs_patch_rejected#c_oa5cks https://lobste.rs/s/omq8rt/vibecoding_gets_emacs_patch_rejec... (posted very much not because of the chatbot psychosis aspect, which doesn't seem relevant in this case, more the part about possible minor personality changes from long-term communing with LLMs)
- cmrdporcupine 2mo ago
  It's not good faith if you start right away by defining a group of people called "AI people" and then putting words in their mouths. Starting your comment by saying "in good faith" doesn't make it in good faith. Making straw-men is not honest debate. And what you're not mentioning here is that there are people who actually felt they had their own corner of the Internet, didn't/don't consider themselves "AI people", just happened to use a tool, and now retroactively having a judgement applied to them. That's fine if you think it's okay to do that. I think you're being dishonest in your framing of the discussion though, by creating a "two sides" scenario to justify in-group / out-group behaviours.
q2dg 2mo ago
Can Gitlab be an alternative?
ChrisArchitect 2mo ago
Related: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386 Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015588 Protecting our FLOSS commons from LLMs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015635 I regret migrating to Codeberg https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49021856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49021856
orwin 2mo ago
To whom it may concern: codeberg is explicitly _not_ for private repo and your ai game pet project. It's aim is to host FOSS tools and libraries. To me, this is a good decision. I already got burned by an Asdf 'clone' that was in rust and allegedly lightweight. Never again I will install on my computer a rust-written tool written in a month that merge 5 pr per day. I know what to look for now, but IMHO having a platform where those kind of projects are forbidden is great. If an AI generated tool is so great and wonderful I cannot miss it, I will get it from word of mouth.
VCFundedGenYer 2mo ago
I'm baffled by people who are getting upset at this. Let it go. There's way too much AI slop out there, to have at least one island free of it would be lovely enough.
Xlab 2mo ago
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45 points by tomgag 2mo ago

fkdk 2mo ago

Time will tell whether Codeberg's approach of Valetudo-like community-building will work out.

openmarkand 2mo ago

The best thing I've seen in 2026. Thank you codeberg.

jmclnx 2mo ago
I agree, I went from github to gitlab. I should start looking at codeberg.
- pixelesque 2mo ago
  Only if you host public FOSS projects - it's not a replacement for private repos. It seems a lot of people on here don't understand that.

izacus 2mo ago

Ah, I was waiting for the inevitable AI pusher "you're sticking your head in the sand this is INEVITABLE" argument pushed by OpenAI and others. Carry on, nothing to see here.

chrisandchris 2mo ago

> I notice that both PRs were filed after the assembly and after the ballots went out At least in Switzerland, you can not vote (well, you can but it does not have any effect) on things that are not mentioned within the agenda published and sent to members with the invitation. So IMHO these votes will not have any effect itself, just serve as an "indication". IANAL.

draw_down 2mo ago

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bagol 2mo ago

Banning LLM or crypto currency related projects is very bad. I think it's better to flag them or mark them, but let them be.

calvinmorrison 2mo ago
we should also flag any projects to do with the enshittification of the world. Probably banning all JS, node, bun, loaf or any other related projects would be good. Since we're talking about my opinions here, which should be construed as laws of my hosting platform, i always hated ruby so lets ban ruby. In fact codeberg shall only accept Perl programs going forward that are written using emacs
c048 2mo ago
They're not banning code written and maintained with the use of LLM's. They're banning projects entirely created by LLM's and heavily (or solely) maintained by LLM's. It's basically not allowing junkfood on their platform. Now that code is easier than ever to barf out, so will the amount of junk. As for tossing out any and all crypto projects... how is anyone still willing to associate themselves with that pile of garbage?
- janantos 2mo ago
  Not true their explanation blog mentions as one of not welcomed projects are projects tied to LLM ecosystem, nevermind if written by human.
wyldfire 2mo ago
I tend to agree but you can't deny that the widespread use of LLMs means that codeberg will expend more resources overall for projects taking advantage of them. And its members have spoken. We might disagree about the conclusion they came to and even how they went about it but their stance is clear now so we might as well just move on.
- Yokohiii 2mo ago
  Yeah but if it's about the hardware resources, why not just establish an option to ban projects that use them unreasonably for their projects relevance? In their explanation they say each project will be evaluated individually and the whatever-AI-allegations are not the primary reason to eventually ban. They could have established a direct way to protect hardware resource with an option to ban users that cause unreasonable load. Maybe not great but understandable considering they are an e.V.

customguy 2mo ago

> unbridled hatred for AI and Web3 reeks of neo-Luddism > distrust in other areas, such as quantum computing you haven't even begun getting to the point and already lost me > fear of the unknown Unknown what, lol? "we don't like X, Y Z for A, B, C reasons" "Luddites, fear of quantum computing.. oh no I'm confused, they're so afraid of the future." That is like someone mumbling at their shoes that someone is afraid of something. No notes. At any rate: Are you afraid of a control group? Are you afraid of a surface not covered in slop, so it may keep slop knowable? Are you afraid to sink alone?

bramhaag 2mo ago

You are simply not the target audience of Codeberg. That's okay. If you are on Arch, you can do this simple fix (instructions are similar for other distros): sudo pacman -S forgejo sudo systemctl enable --now forgejo

jalev 2mo ago

So who are you actually angry at? There was a vote, by people, in a democratic process, and Codeberg are adhering to it. Why is it Codeberg's problem that they don't defy the will of their members? Are you angry at them because the members put a motion against your particular special interests? If so, go make a new motion to reinstate them.

microtonal 2mo ago
It is of course in the right of voting members to do this. However, it undermines Codeberg as a stable repo hosting platform. If you are hosting a repo there for an open source project, it may suddenly be in violation after a whim of the voting members. The signal is now that Codeberg is an activist platform. That is fine, but that makes it unfit for many projects that want a largely neutral hoster. Just as they are free to do this, I am free to move my repositories elsewhere and stop donating. (And I'm nothing near a vibe oder, but the way the terms are now formulated, even doing LLM-assisted programming could be a violation.)
- jackb4040 2mo ago
  > Just as they are free to do this, I am free to move It doesn't seem like you're amicably moving your projects away. It seems like you're going around tech forums arguing with the democratic decision and fear-mongering about how legitimate projects will be removed next.
  - Levitz 2mo ago
    >fear-mongering about how legitimate projects will be removed next. Fear-mongering? What were legitimate projects are getting removed already. This is not fear-mongering, it's just not being incredibly shortsighted.
    - jdiff 2mo ago
      Where will this slope slide next? It doesn't seem all that slippery to me. First they came for the LLMs, Lord knows plenty of people are speaking up, but who will they come for next in the dead of night after a majority of voting members publicly decide to boot them?

nearlyepic 2mo ago

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cyberjar 2mo ago

Whilst I think that criticism of such heavy-handed decision making is valid, I can't help but feel this blog post is littered with unhelpful and snide culture war remarks, and a smug attitude that this is the definitive end of Codeberg. If Codeberg truly has gone woke, people who espouse 'anti-censorship at any cost', like the author, will leave. But many others will remain.

greekrich92 2mo ago

Unironic use of "web3": article ignored

masfuerte 2mo ago
There was a quicker tell: opening with "Ah".

deleted 2mo ago

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mmaunder 2mo ago

Had to read this one twice: “Projects "written and maintained with heavy use of LLMs".” Isn’t that almost everything these days? If you’re using vscode or codex or Claude CLI you’re in that category.

deleted 2mo ago
[deleted]
classified 2mo ago
You're absolutely right.

ursuscamp 2mo ago

I don't want to host my code on a platform that has activist goals beyond open source advocacy, but I'm glad it exists because it's a useful filter, like the X/Bluesky divide.

jackb4040 2mo ago
I really don't think you want to make an example of the "free speech app" that militantly censors pro-Palestine accounts while allowing AI-generated CSAM
iamnothere 2mo ago
I agree, and I’m hopeful that the people who leave will consider truly decentralized alternatives like Radicle. Especially for projects that might be more vulnerable/at risk to the whims of gatekeepers.

krapp 2mo ago

Stop complaining and get Claude or whatever to one-shot a competing service that only hosts AI and crypto with blackjack and hookers. If AI is inevitable then it's guaranteed infinity money. Show the lowly morlocks how it's done.

classified 2mo ago

Someone will always be upset about not getting for free what they wanted to get for free. Tough luck. I recommend a stiff upper lip.

bytejanitor 2mo ago

I wasn't that interested in Codeberg until now, but this actually looks like a wise decision.

zero_shift 2mo ago

I want to ask this in good faith Why do the very vocal "AI people" online have this thing where they are simultaneously: - proclaiming their thing to be inevitable and massive and a bulldozer of productivity; - responding to any negative reaction like they are almost like a persecuted group It seems paradoxical to me. If your LLM-written project is so amazing, who cares about the critics? Let them have their corner of the internet. There are plenty of other sites that will host your project. Perhaps if you are a heavy codeberg user it is annoying to move onto Forgejo. I get that. But ultimately Codeberg has the right to decide these things

Ekaros 2mo ago
And also if AI is so great creating your own community or place to host stuff should be trivial. Zero effort really. So I really see no reason to co-opt existing place. As they are already making money with AI so hosting costs are really nothing either. So there is no excuses not to have their own free community.
- tclancy 2mo ago
  Seriously. And you know they would want hookers and blackjack anyway, so why don't they? Maybe because blackjack has fairer odds than the games they rig.
tom_ 2mo ago
It's definitely a theme, but some people are just like that (as has always been the case), and maybe they're the ones most inclined to comment on this matter. Another theory: https://lobste.rs/s/omq8rt/vibecoding_gets_emacs_patch_rejected#c_oa5cks https://lobste.rs/s/omq8rt/vibecoding_gets_emacs_patch_rejec... (posted very much not because of the chatbot psychosis aspect, which doesn't seem relevant in this case, more the part about possible minor personality changes from long-term communing with LLMs)
cmrdporcupine 2mo ago
It's not good faith if you start right away by defining a group of people called "AI people" and then putting words in their mouths. Starting your comment by saying "in good faith" doesn't make it in good faith. Making straw-men is not honest debate. And what you're not mentioning here is that there are people who actually felt they had their own corner of the Internet, didn't/don't consider themselves "AI people", just happened to use a tool, and now retroactively having a judgement applied to them. That's fine if you think it's okay to do that. I think you're being dishonest in your framing of the discussion though, by creating a "two sides" scenario to justify in-group / out-group behaviours.

q2dg 2mo ago

Can Gitlab be an alternative?

ChrisArchitect 2mo ago

Related: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386 Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015588 Protecting our FLOSS commons from LLMs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015635 I regret migrating to Codeberg https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49021856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49021856

orwin 2mo ago

To whom it may concern: codeberg is explicitly _not_ for private repo and your ai game pet project. It's aim is to host FOSS tools and libraries. To me, this is a good decision. I already got burned by an Asdf 'clone' that was in rust and allegedly lightweight. Never again I will install on my computer a rust-written tool written in a month that merge 5 pr per day. I know what to look for now, but IMHO having a platform where those kind of projects are forbidden is great. If an AI generated tool is so great and wonderful I cannot miss it, I will get it from word of mouth.

VCFundedGenYer 2mo ago

I'm baffled by people who are getting upset at this. Let it go. There's way too much AI slop out there, to have at least one island free of it would be lovely enough.

Xlab 2mo ago

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