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In the words of the person who announced the ban, when moderating a discussion on it 8 months prior:[1] > > Dear Codeberg, please push out and ban these politi
by jjmarr 2mo ago
In the words of the person who announced the ban, when moderating a discussion on it 8 months prior:[1]
> > Dear Codeberg, please push out and ban these political fighters.
> This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop.
the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are a "coffee hosting service" that neutrally hosts code from a variety of perspectives. Their view is that hosting code is a political act and this is backed by the donations funding Codeberg's operation.
[1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184#issuecomment-7905679 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184#issuecom...
- Forgeties79 2mo agoHonestly I respect it
- gruez 2mo ago[flagged]
- deleted 2mo ago[deleted]
- jrflowers 2mo agoPluralism is when strangers are forced to host my code for free. The idea of somebody else putting their time and money into something and then not giving it to me is philosophically worrisome
- wasmitnetzen 2mo agoI can ask you the same. Why don't you accept their politic stance?
- esseph 2mo agoWhat happened for standing up for something you believe in
- altmanaltman 2mo ago[flagged]
- pretendgeneer 2mo agoI think you're misunderstanding "codeberg is political". Everything is political, FOSS is political, GitHub is also political. When people say "We're not political", or "That's not political". What they're actually saying is that it's within my own politics.
- altmanaltman 2mo agoNo I understand that. But the point I am making is saying that is much stronger than saying "our policy says we won't host crypto projects going forward". The latter is fine, any service provider can set terms as they fit within the law. But if you claim you are highly political, you must invite further questions into it. How does Codeberg handle the diverse mix of politics within it and manage its influences? If we give the organization a character by calling it political, we create an obligation to explain further. Overall, again I feel this is a self-own to project idealogue this hard since you flavor it in a specific way that is not inclusive.
- overfeed 2mo ago> How does Codeberg handle the diverse mix of politics within it and manage its influence They don't have to. > Overall, again I feel this is a self-own to project idealogue this hard since you flavor it in a specific way that is not inclusive. D.E.I. is out right now. Fortunately, Codeberg helpfully funds Forgejo, so all the non-eligible projects can benefit from self-hosting.
- deleted 2mo ago[deleted]
- tbrownaw 2mo agoNo, there's a big difference between "net effects are not guaranteed to be perfectly neutral" and "I am going to intentionally put my thumb on the scale". The position that everything is political so therefore opinions are mandatory intentionally conflates these things.
- duxup 2mo agoHow do you know what the politics will be next? They banned vibe coded projects too… goodness knows how they think they can determine / enforce that.
- matheusmoreira 2mo ago> goodness knows how they think they can determine that Asking people to define that nearly got me kicked out of lobsters. These people don't want to have to define it. Ironically, they're going to enforce their rules based on vibes. Vibewritten rules, vibenforced.
- tbrownaw 2mo ago> How do you know what the politics will be next? That's the neat part, you don't. (Or, well, you could pay attention to the individual humans involved?)
- no-name-here 2mo ago> Or, well, you could pay attention to the individual humans involved? I think your implication is that Codeberg have recently demonstrated they’re the kind of people who banned multiple significant categories (there’s probably a better word?) of software this week, so they probably will continue and ban a a number of additional software categories in the coming year(s)?
- tkel 2mo agoWell, if you're not part of the community, what do you care? Are you saying you are opposed to this on the grounds that anything could happen in the future? That doesn't really make sense. Yes, anything could happen. Yes, people change. That is true in nearly all contexts. If you're asking in good faith, you participate in the community democratically and try to influence others. Just like normal. There was a vote held for this decision, it was 306-154.
- 0x3f 2mo ago> Well, if you're not part of the community, what do you care? One benefits from the availability of alternatives and a healthy market regardless.
- andai 2mo agoI'm trying to find more information about their politics. But all I found was their bylaws and a gay flag. Maybe I'm supposed to read between the lines?
- f_devd 2mo agoIt's not a single political front, they have members (those who sponsor hosting), they decide by vote
- stratocumulus0 2mo agoIn the left-wing spheres here, terms such as "political act" or "solidarity" are just bloat used to make your message sound more left wing. It's a faux pas not to virtue signal in a way that sounds radical and ensures that it won't affect anyone from outside your bubble as well. An example from recently would be posters for an expensive kinky rave in Berlin offering discounted "solidarity tickets" for refugees, trans folks, sex workers, and BIPOC people. The dress code alone ensures that it's only friends of friends using these labels who will get in anyway.
- inigyou 2mo agoAre you upset you got door-rejected from a kinky rave in Berlin? Which one?
- ____mr____ 2mo ago> the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are a "coffee hosting service" that neutrally hosts code from a variety of perspectives. They do not believe this because this is simply not the reality we live in > Their view is that hosting code is a political act and this is backed by the donations funding Codeberg's operation. They are correct in this view. No matter how "apolitical" platforms like Github and various maintainers of open source projects pretend to be, the reality is that creating, hosting and distributing code is highly political and should be treated as such.
- hogwasher 2mo agoYeah. It's like everybody's forgetting that github also bans things, such as certain projects that receive DMCA takedown requests. And github pushing its LLM garbage into Visual Studio. If banning crypto or LLM's is political, so too must be pushing them on people who don't want them and very loudly object. It's only 'political' when someone is trying to divert from the actual, specific subject of a discussion. It's a thought-stopping tactic, not actual substantive criticism.
- mlrtime 2mo agoNo, it's not. If you see everything through these political lense, you end up constantly in a us vs them mentality. Or a "you're either with us, or against us". I don't think it's healthy.
- surgical_fire 2mo agoThat's not true. You can definitely think critically about the political context of things without being partizan about things. Taking a stance does not mean you adopted an "us vs. them" mentality. What a bonkers generalization.
- ____mr____ 2mo agoIt really is. Hosting requires a server owned by a company or private individual located in a country. The goals of these companies/individuals and the pressures put on them by their countries are quite political - and as a result hosting becomes political.
- thinkingemote 2mo agoA side effect of platform vs publisher. They are voluntarily choosing to be a publisher. Publishers are responsible for the actions that the users do on their platform. States are happier with and want more publishers as it's easier to censor, add surveillance and control them than neutral platforms. The few past times when Cloudfare censored politically was interesting as they quickly made apologies because they want to be seen more as a neutral platform than a service that nation states can control. It's why modern internet legislation across all parties and across all nations is geared towards changing platforms into publishers. And it's why the services that we would have seen to be independent and neutral in the past are choosing this new paradigm.
- inigyou 2mo ago> platform vs publisher No such distinction exists. It was a just-so story made up by people trying to push the idea that moderation created a legal liability. And it's German, anyway. The DMCA doesn't even apply there.
- thinkingemote 2mo agoIndeed we see legislation (from all sides of politics and nations) saying there is no distinction, that all services and websites are now publishers. It was ever thus except when we remember.
- inigyou 2mo agoThere never was a distinction. You made it up or believed someone who made it up.