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Yeah the Chinese totally have a really good history with being completely open and giving lol. The Chinese government totally has not been hacking into American

by edm0nd 2mo ago

Yeah the Chinese totally have a really good history with being completely open and giving lol. The Chinese government totally has not been hacking into American and Western fortune 500 companies for the past few decades stealing R&D and tech to use for themselves. The Chinese also totally do not steal hundreds of billions of dollars of IP from America annually. Totally not something they would do!

chromadon 2mo ago
Why do you think competing companies poach engineers from each other?
pegasus 2mo ago
I don't see how stealing IP is inconsistent with a sympathy for openness. If anything, it's the opposite. "Information wants to be free" and all that. They were just liberating those secrets ;)
freehorse 2mo ago
Industrial espionage is neither a chinese invention nor (specifically) chinese practice. American companies do it to each other even.
- applicative 2mo ago
  Agents of American companies who don't mind 15 years in the federal pen do it to American companies. So it must be right.
- mullingitover 2mo ago
  The U.S. was openly a pirate nation for most of the 1800s. Like with the ICC, the US respects or doesn’t respect international law strictly when it’s beneficial to the state’s interests. China really can’t be held to a different standard. This activity is grade school level geopolitics: the global system of government is anarchy.
  - gf000 2mo ago
    Yeah, I love how people assume large powers have to do something. They are at most expected to do certain reasonable stuff (most of the time, a war is not beneficial to anyone so they try not to escalate that far), but there is not really global "law enforcement".
asdewqqwer 2mo ago
It is hilarious to see people from arguable the most polarized political systems in the world believing the evil 1.5 billion people across the sea share one single mind, either a saint, or a devil.
- girvo 2mo ago
  But that’s not what they said?
- dudefeliciano 2mo ago
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- unethical_ban 2mo ago
  It's hilarious seeing you hear a complaint about the CCP and Chinese tech bros and think it's applied to every citizen.
- WillPostForFood 2mo ago
  It will be a great day for China and the world when the Chinese people are free from a totalitarian dictatorship. But until then we have to speak of the policy of the Chinese government as the policy of China, even if many, or most disagree with those policies.
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  - justatdotin 2mo ago
    now do usa
  - litbear2022 2mo ago
    Thanks for reminding me—it was China that robbed TikTok.
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tehjoker 2mo ago
Whether or not this is really true or just US propaganda, the majority of technology transfer has occurred through the open process of requiring US companies to form partnerships and disclose know-how to access the chinese market. This stuff about espionage is really sour grapes from losers.
gf000 2mo ago
How can you steal something that won't materially be less from that? IP laws are cancer, and are definitely not in humanity's interest.
Gigachad 2mo ago
Thank god US AI companies generated all of the training data themselves and certainly didn’t just steal it all.

by edm0nd 2mo ago

chromadon 2mo ago

Why do you think competing companies poach engineers from each other?

pegasus 2mo ago

I don't see how stealing IP is inconsistent with a sympathy for openness. If anything, it's the opposite. "Information wants to be free" and all that. They were just liberating those secrets ;)

freehorse 2mo ago

Industrial espionage is neither a chinese invention nor (specifically) chinese practice. American companies do it to each other even.

applicative 2mo ago
Agents of American companies who don't mind 15 years in the federal pen do it to American companies. So it must be right.
mullingitover 2mo ago
The U.S. was openly a pirate nation for most of the 1800s. Like with the ICC, the US respects or doesn’t respect international law strictly when it’s beneficial to the state’s interests. China really can’t be held to a different standard. This activity is grade school level geopolitics: the global system of government is anarchy.
- gf000 2mo ago
  Yeah, I love how people assume large powers have to do something. They are at most expected to do certain reasonable stuff (most of the time, a war is not beneficial to anyone so they try not to escalate that far), but there is not really global "law enforcement".

asdewqqwer 2mo ago

It is hilarious to see people from arguable the most polarized political systems in the world believing the evil 1.5 billion people across the sea share one single mind, either a saint, or a devil.

girvo 2mo ago
But that’s not what they said?
dudefeliciano 2mo ago
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unethical_ban 2mo ago
It's hilarious seeing you hear a complaint about the CCP and Chinese tech bros and think it's applied to every citizen.
WillPostForFood 2mo ago
It will be a great day for China and the world when the Chinese people are free from a totalitarian dictatorship. But until then we have to speak of the policy of the Chinese government as the policy of China, even if many, or most disagree with those policies.
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- justatdotin 2mo ago
  now do usa
- litbear2022 2mo ago
  Thanks for reminding me—it was China that robbed TikTok.
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tehjoker 2mo ago

Whether or not this is really true or just US propaganda, the majority of technology transfer has occurred through the open process of requiring US companies to form partnerships and disclose know-how to access the chinese market. This stuff about espionage is really sour grapes from losers.

gf000 2mo ago

How can you steal something that won't materially be less from that? IP laws are cancer, and are definitely not in humanity's interest.

Gigachad 2mo ago

Thank god US AI companies generated all of the training data themselves and certainly didn’t just steal it all.