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People give them money because of the moral stance. They are either actively fine with the CSAM or just don't care.

scarab92 2mo ago
Give me an alternative that isn’t trying to shove left wing ideology down my throat and I’ll use that. So far, only xAI makes any attempt to be neutral in its answers.
- mptest 2mo ago
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  - 7tflutter7 2mo ago
    all ai models can be jailbroken. The chinese open source ones above all.
- NelsonMinar 2mo ago
  Grok is many things but it is not "neutral". https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-values-are-very-different-from-most-peoples https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-valu...
  - scarab92 2mo ago
    Most of us don’t have economist subscriptions. Maybe you can just tell us what you mean by not neutral? I find Grok to be far more academically honest than the other models. The other models seem to be much more aligned with public opinion over academic consensus especially on topics around economics and biology. I find public opinion on these topics to be very group think populist and prefer the academic take that grok provides
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      Well it did call itself MechaHitler, start talking about a supposed white genocide that's happening, and generate metric fucktons of child porn.
      - tommica 2mo ago
        Only issue in that is the CP, the rest is still purely next token prediction. To take it seriously is silly, and to think that is everything it provides is cherry picking. It would be like judging gemini because it generated images of famous historical people as black, which was fucking stupid. I use gemini quite a lot as my chat tool, and it works great.
        figmert 2mo ago
        Well then the question becomes, what did it get trained on for next token prediction to come to the conclusion that there's a white genocide? Cos yes, people on the internet believe such stupid thing, but I can promise you, it is not the majority who believe that.
    - breezybottom 2mo ago
      It's the only model which says that Elon Musk is more athletic than Lebron James. Is that honesty?
      - jdthedisciple 2mo ago
        So it also has good humor, kinda sounds like a cool friend no?
  - timr 2mo ago
    I’m not sure if you’re trying to say that it’s left or right, but it’s perhaps relevant to point out that that article is about the political bias of all major models. And right there in the subhead, they explicitly say that the models have a left bias.
    - goobatrooba 2mo ago
      Funnily, as a European all the models appear extremely right wing. The political spectrum is shifted far more right in the US than in Europe, so what is left there is still at least conservative here. I ask my AI to give me citations science and pro/con arguments when discusssing anything that could be shaped by cultural biases.
      - drstewart 2mo ago
        > The political spectrum is shifted far more right in the US than in Europe Is it Farage, Le Pen, or Weidel pulling the spectrum so far leftward?
        dbspin 2mo ago
        You're aware the UK isn't in the EU right, and hasn't been for quite some time? Also that AfD and National Rally aren't yet, and have never been in control of the German or French parliaments. So yes, it's in the US that it's shifted. US money and influence (Musk and Theil money and feet on the ground influence through figures like Bannon), as well as US social media companies running US aligned algorithms, are an enormously significant factor in the rise of the right in Europe.
        satvikpendem 2mo ago
        They said European not EU, don't conflate the two. The UK is still in the continent of Europe.
        dbspin 2mo ago
  - 0-_-0 2mo ago
    In that article Grok shows highest neutrality
    - Madmallard 2mo ago
      That's pretty funny considering the comments in this thread hahahaha
- jug 2mo ago
  You probably have it backwards. It's Grok that is shoving right wing ideology down your throat. Research has shown that without specific guidance to otherwise, LLM's tend to be slightly left leaning by default. There are some theories as for why this is so.
  - intended 2mo ago
    Isn’t this all left leaning based on US standards?
  - hobo123 2mo ago
    I think it depends what you ask an AI, I've never come across anything offensive on any AI. What kind of questions trigger it to "shove" right-wing ideology down your throat, is there a short summary of this somewhere?
- tyre 2mo ago
  It would be easier to understand where you're coming from if you could give some examples containing: - prompt - response - why it is wrong / misleading / biased Because there are many people online complaining about left-wing bias, then you ask what about and they're like "Trump won in 2020, vaccines cause autism, global warming is a globalist conspiracy", etc. Which is to say, it's not left-wing bias but reality bias. Not saying you are one of those people or that there isn't bias! It's just been hard, in my personal experience, to get at it.
  - crummy 2mo ago
    Out of curiosity, I just asked Grok and learned: * Biden won the 2020 election * vaccines do not cause autism * global warming is not a conspiracy In each case it seemed to do a web search so perhaps it is happy to rely on the top results.
    - trollbridge 2mo ago
      Here is a prompt I keyed into SuperGrok (still have the bargain priced $10 a month subscription as they seem to be really desparate for subscribers right now): Answer these questions: who won the 2020 election; do vaccines caust autism; is global warming a conspiracy theory. Do not use web searches or subagents or external sources of information. Results: 2020 US Presidential Election: Joe Biden won the election ... Do vaccines cause autism? No. ... Is global warming a conspiracy theory? No. ... Just for fun, I decided to ask Cursor Grok 4.5 (Fast xhigh), too: The user wants three factual answers. They forbid web searches, subagents, and external sources. I will answer directly from memory. Joe Biden won the 2020 election. Vaccines do not cause autism. Global warming is established science. Joe Biden won the 2020 U.S. presidential election. No — vaccines do not cause autism. That claim has been thoroughly studied and rejected by the scientific and medical consensus. No — global warming is not a conspiracy theory. Human-caused climate change is established science, backed by extensive evidence. (And wow, it sure is fast, although not as fast as MiMo-2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed. Ran it out of a $20/mo Cursor subscription.)
    - Cthulhu_ 2mo ago
      A lot of people seem to perceive those as left wing woke ideology though, not because they're not true, but because it doesn't align with their world view. But the main issue is that facts and educated people are considered left wing or woke, and some people - including Musk himself - do not like that. Example: https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1967010466539987220 https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1967010466539987220, where the statistical fact that 75% of US extremist murders are by right-wing actors is called "cringe idiocy" by Musk. Many such cases.
- asdewqqwer 2mo ago
  You speak as if middle of (not even statistically divided but carelessly divided) human opinion groups is neutral. There is something called facts, and we are living in a physical world. Unless you also believe the neutral view is earth being half flat and half round.
  - over_bridge 2mo ago
    Unless you also believe the neutral view is earth being half flat and half round I like this analogy. You can't just average two ideas and call it a centrist position. Sometimes one position is right and the people supporting the losing idea should be ignored. Facts are how we decide. People are not logical creatures and will cling to ideas beyond all reason or common sense once they've incorporated it into their identity. There is a reason that right wing appeals to emotion aren't popular with LLMs
- Lalabadie 2mo ago
  I think you'll need to give people an example of where you think the center is. (And be prepared for a lesson in political literacy from outside of the US)
tick_tock_tick 2mo ago
Or realistically people don't view it as CSAM just like how drawing a really realistic image isn't. I don't think it's "good" but it's not CSAM.
- snek_case 2mo ago
  The reason it makes people uncomfortable is because people have been using it to alter images of real people, and they've done that in a public place (twitter/X), for everyone to see. So it gets in the deepfake realm, which is illegal in many places.
- cootsnuck 2mo ago
  You do know people aren't talking about fictional people being generated right? Actual, real-life, identifiable children. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/16/lawsuit-elon-musk-ai-grok-child-sexual-abuse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/16/lawsuit-e... Very weird stance, to say the least, to not call that CSAM.

Give me an alternative that isn’t trying to shove left wing ideology down my throat and I’ll use that. So far, only xAI makes any attempt to be neutral in its answers.

mptest 2mo ago
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- 7tflutter7 2mo ago
  all ai models can be jailbroken. The chinese open source ones above all.
NelsonMinar 2mo ago
Grok is many things but it is not "neutral". https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-values-are-very-different-from-most-peoples https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-valu...
- scarab92 2mo ago
  Most of us don’t have economist subscriptions. Maybe you can just tell us what you mean by not neutral? I find Grok to be far more academically honest than the other models. The other models seem to be much more aligned with public opinion over academic consensus especially on topics around economics and biology. I find public opinion on these topics to be very group think populist and prefer the academic take that grok provides
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    Well it did call itself MechaHitler, start talking about a supposed white genocide that's happening, and generate metric fucktons of child porn.
    - tommica 2mo ago
      Only issue in that is the CP, the rest is still purely next token prediction. To take it seriously is silly, and to think that is everything it provides is cherry picking. It would be like judging gemini because it generated images of famous historical people as black, which was fucking stupid. I use gemini quite a lot as my chat tool, and it works great.
      - figmert 2mo ago
        Well then the question becomes, what did it get trained on for next token prediction to come to the conclusion that there's a white genocide? Cos yes, people on the internet believe such stupid thing, but I can promise you, it is not the majority who believe that.
  - breezybottom 2mo ago
    It's the only model which says that Elon Musk is more athletic than Lebron James. Is that honesty?
    - jdthedisciple 2mo ago
      So it also has good humor, kinda sounds like a cool friend no?
- timr 2mo ago
  I’m not sure if you’re trying to say that it’s left or right, but it’s perhaps relevant to point out that that article is about the political bias of all major models. And right there in the subhead, they explicitly say that the models have a left bias.
  - goobatrooba 2mo ago
    Funnily, as a European all the models appear extremely right wing. The political spectrum is shifted far more right in the US than in Europe, so what is left there is still at least conservative here. I ask my AI to give me citations science and pro/con arguments when discusssing anything that could be shaped by cultural biases.
    - drstewart 2mo ago
      > The political spectrum is shifted far more right in the US than in Europe Is it Farage, Le Pen, or Weidel pulling the spectrum so far leftward?
      - dbspin 2mo ago
        You're aware the UK isn't in the EU right, and hasn't been for quite some time? Also that AfD and National Rally aren't yet, and have never been in control of the German or French parliaments. So yes, it's in the US that it's shifted. US money and influence (Musk and Theil money and feet on the ground influence through figures like Bannon), as well as US social media companies running US aligned algorithms, are an enormously significant factor in the rise of the right in Europe.
        satvikpendem 2mo ago
        They said European not EU, don't conflate the two. The UK is still in the continent of Europe.
        dbspin 2mo ago
- 0-_-0 2mo ago
  In that article Grok shows highest neutrality
  - Madmallard 2mo ago
    That's pretty funny considering the comments in this thread hahahaha
jug 2mo ago
You probably have it backwards. It's Grok that is shoving right wing ideology down your throat. Research has shown that without specific guidance to otherwise, LLM's tend to be slightly left leaning by default. There are some theories as for why this is so.
- intended 2mo ago
  Isn’t this all left leaning based on US standards?
- hobo123 2mo ago
  I think it depends what you ask an AI, I've never come across anything offensive on any AI. What kind of questions trigger it to "shove" right-wing ideology down your throat, is there a short summary of this somewhere?
tyre 2mo ago
It would be easier to understand where you're coming from if you could give some examples containing: - prompt - response - why it is wrong / misleading / biased Because there are many people online complaining about left-wing bias, then you ask what about and they're like "Trump won in 2020, vaccines cause autism, global warming is a globalist conspiracy", etc. Which is to say, it's not left-wing bias but reality bias. Not saying you are one of those people or that there isn't bias! It's just been hard, in my personal experience, to get at it.
- crummy 2mo ago
  Out of curiosity, I just asked Grok and learned: * Biden won the 2020 election * vaccines do not cause autism * global warming is not a conspiracy In each case it seemed to do a web search so perhaps it is happy to rely on the top results.
  - trollbridge 2mo ago
    Here is a prompt I keyed into SuperGrok (still have the bargain priced $10 a month subscription as they seem to be really desparate for subscribers right now): Answer these questions: who won the 2020 election; do vaccines caust autism; is global warming a conspiracy theory. Do not use web searches or subagents or external sources of information. Results: 2020 US Presidential Election: Joe Biden won the election ... Do vaccines cause autism? No. ... Is global warming a conspiracy theory? No. ... Just for fun, I decided to ask Cursor Grok 4.5 (Fast xhigh), too: The user wants three factual answers. They forbid web searches, subagents, and external sources. I will answer directly from memory. Joe Biden won the 2020 election. Vaccines do not cause autism. Global warming is established science. Joe Biden won the 2020 U.S. presidential election. No — vaccines do not cause autism. That claim has been thoroughly studied and rejected by the scientific and medical consensus. No — global warming is not a conspiracy theory. Human-caused climate change is established science, backed by extensive evidence. (And wow, it sure is fast, although not as fast as MiMo-2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed. Ran it out of a $20/mo Cursor subscription.)
  - Cthulhu_ 2mo ago
    A lot of people seem to perceive those as left wing woke ideology though, not because they're not true, but because it doesn't align with their world view. But the main issue is that facts and educated people are considered left wing or woke, and some people - including Musk himself - do not like that. Example: https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1967010466539987220 https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1967010466539987220, where the statistical fact that 75% of US extremist murders are by right-wing actors is called "cringe idiocy" by Musk. Many such cases.
asdewqqwer 2mo ago
You speak as if middle of (not even statistically divided but carelessly divided) human opinion groups is neutral. There is something called facts, and we are living in a physical world. Unless you also believe the neutral view is earth being half flat and half round.
- over_bridge 2mo ago
  Unless you also believe the neutral view is earth being half flat and half round I like this analogy. You can't just average two ideas and call it a centrist position. Sometimes one position is right and the people supporting the losing idea should be ignored. Facts are how we decide. People are not logical creatures and will cling to ideas beyond all reason or common sense once they've incorporated it into their identity. There is a reason that right wing appeals to emotion aren't popular with LLMs
Lalabadie 2mo ago
I think you'll need to give people an example of where you think the center is. (And be prepared for a lesson in political literacy from outside of the US)

tick_tock_tick 2mo ago

Or realistically people don't view it as CSAM just like how drawing a really realistic image isn't. I don't think it's "good" but it's not CSAM.

snek_case 2mo ago
The reason it makes people uncomfortable is because people have been using it to alter images of real people, and they've done that in a public place (twitter/X), for everyone to see. So it gets in the deepfake realm, which is illegal in many places.
cootsnuck 2mo ago
You do know people aren't talking about fictional people being generated right? Actual, real-life, identifiable children. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/16/lawsuit-elon-musk-ai-grok-child-sexual-abuse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/16/lawsuit-e... Very weird stance, to say the least, to not call that CSAM.