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The loss of trust in using US based model's is unlikely to come back though. Anthropic with it's hyped doomsday messaging, and the administration falling for i
by bushido 3mo ago
The loss of trust in using US based model's is unlikely to come back though.
Anthropic with it's hyped doomsday messaging, and the administration falling for it (at best), has eroded a lot of trust and has triggered an arms race of sorts.
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoHere's to OpenAI and a chinese firms bringing some much needed competition.
- logancbrown 3mo agoAmusing to see OpenAI being the "good guy" in the end
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoThey didn't become the good guy, Anthropic became the bad guy instead. The good guys are the chinese firms releasing open weight models.
- captainbland 3mo agoThere's no good guys, just entities you might be able to get marginal value from, who in turn want to get marginal value from you
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoNo. The "good guys" are the ones who provide permanent value: open weight models, hardware we can afford, purchase and own. The good guys offer sovereignty. The "you'll buy intelligence from us on a meter" rent seekers are technofeudalists. Just a bunch of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" oligarchs who must be resisted at all costs. Anthropic had a reputation for ethics at first but it quickly became clear it was just like OpenAI but with a patronizing attitude. The fact China is releasing open weight models will never not be amusing. I expected better from the USA.
- applicative 3mo agoThe purpose is the destabilization and discrediting of democracy. The Beijing state, in concert with Putin and ex-Khamenei, has no other purpose but to prove there is no democratic alternative. Sure, it turns out you get free things as e.g. one got free RT America.
- scotty79 3mo ago> The purpose is the destabilization and discrediting of democracy. Unless they made US elect trump it's hard to see how they might be damaging democracy more than the democracy damages itself.
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago> destabilization and discrediting of democracy Democracies don't need any help whatsoever in that area, they're more than happy to do that to themselves on a daily basis.
- SubiculumCode 3mo agoSo... it IS China, not just companies in China. And why would the CCP want to give out open weights, hmm? Because they are all kindness and love? No. It is just their approach to counter dominance in the space by Western frontier labs. No need to make moral attributions..it is everything, and I mean everything, about Great Power Competition.
- 3fffss 3mo agoThat is literally the point of world trade buddy... lmao Its just funny how there is some scary boogeyman around China. You do realise the idiotic west gave china everything - from know-how, techniques to IP by benefitting from lower costs of production? What they are doing is pretty fair game.
- SubiculumCode 3mo agoNo,it's not just like world trade. It's world trade within strategic good, assets, and, capabilities relevant to national security...e.g. critical minerals, high end chips, and artificial intelligence, and others. Not all world trade is as central to national security, and is only relevant to national security in aggregate. I do agree that the U.S. made bad choices in terms of over-reliance on Chinese supply chains. Too much credence was given to the idea that capitalism would democratize China in the absence of other supporting factors/culture.
- alecco 3mo ago> The good guys are the chinese firms Eh... I'd say DeepSeek and maybe one more of the small labs. Chinese Big Tech is even worse than US Big Tech.
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoWhichever firm is distilling the frontier models and releasing the weights is doing god's work. I'll forever thank them for that.
- applicative 3mo agoThey're great but in fact it is state financed economic war against the democratic world.
- supriyo-biswas 3mo agoThat could easily change if the frontier labs would release their (N-1)th model or (N-2)th model as open weights. Unfortunately, they won't.
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoThe democratic world that wants to price me out of computers? Lock me out with remote attestation? Put me in a permanent underclass where I'm forced to rent computers and inference from the owner class instead of operating my own systems? A world so democratic it's degenerating into technofeudalism? Where you'll own nothing and you'll be happy? China's not looking too bad.
- alecco 3mo agoChinese Big Tech aim to do that and worse, also in bed with their political class. They only do open source because their hand was forced. Today big pockets and big datacenters are the differentiatior and it looks like even DeepSeek can't keep up. The only chance if enough people and small companies join forces into a Rebellion of sorts. But I don't see this happening... yet.
- replwoacause 3mo agoYeah this is wild stuff. Seeing Anthropic free fall after building up such good will is shocking.
- SubiculumCode 3mo agoPersonally, I think it is manufactured outrage by those with an agenda.
- senordevnyc 3mo agoFree fall? None of this recent Mythos / Fable drama is going to even slow Anthropic down. The HN bubble strikes again.
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoIt's certainly not going to affect their valuation, but their reputation as the "ethical" AI company is gone.
- senordevnyc 3mo agoDoubtful, I think that’s mostly the HN bubble speaking, but regardless, I doubt they care.
- scotty79 2mo agoThey are slowing down. Sonnet 5 is nothingburger.
- dghlsakjg 3mo agoOTOH: “our product is so good it was banned for being too good” is the best advertising possible. OpenAI would kill to get that. I’m not falling over myself to test out Sonnet 5, but I am very interested in Fable.
- bel8 3mo ago> OpenAI would kill to get that. I have news for you, from 5 days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48690101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48690101 "U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6"
- digitaltrees 3mo agoFirst mover got all the power of the narrative.
- dghlsakjg 3mo ago"W have to go through a regulatory approval process like everyone else" is so much less sexy than "Our model was so powerful that it got banned by the government after a few hours and now all our competitors have to go through a regulatory process invented because of us"
- bel8 3mo agoThere's nothing sexy about it. From the get go they were accused of FUD drama and that it backfired as predicted. Now what I see in reality is that Anthropic mostly reaped more resentment from their poor marketing attempt. And their model is basically useless or unreliable from being lobotomized by guardrails. Subscription folks barely have access to the model. Some report a single prompt before hitting weekly limit. And that's when it works instead of downgrading. If that is a first movers play, it's a disastrous one. How sexy do you think this guy finds Anthropic now? > Today I told Sonnet (!) to use a browser MCP to enter a username and password for the project it is working on, it told me that it can't do that because it violates its security protocol. > This worked fine before. I love Claude, I have stuck with it even through people saying Codex is better but this is definitely getting to be the last straw. Meanwhile I can tell GLM 5.2 to decompile and crack anything I want with tools like IDA MCP and packet sniffing and it just works. Let alone code.
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoIf you've built a product based on AI, then diversify or make an abstraction layer so your product is model agnostic and you can plug and play any model. If you're an end user like a software engineer, just use another model or like Gemini or ChatGPT. That is more productive than complaining about a trust which wasn't there in the first place to begin with. Anthropic provides a service and they can stop offering it regardless of export ban or not, same goes for any other AI company in any country. If you really wants a trusted LLM, then run your own open weight model.
- dominotw 3mo agoyou cannot plug and play random models. they are all different trained on different data and rl for different capabilities.
- SwellJoe 3mo agoThey didn't say "random models". The mentioned other models that are trained for the same purpose with close to the same capabilities. Anthropic's best models are very good, maybe the best in their category. But, they have direct competition. You can, in fact, just switch to Codex or Gemini or GLM. It mostly is plug and play. I have a preference but I also have options.
- dominotw 3mo ago> The mentioned other models that are trained for the same purpose with close to the same capabilities. well they dont tell you that do they? there is no way to tell what model can and cannot do unless you extensivevly test it yourself and pray for the best.
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoIf you don’t have a proper testing mechanism for your product, regardless of the model, you shouldn’t be shipping it. Praying for the best is not a strategy and don’t blame your lack of testing strategy on the LLM capability mismatch
- AtNightWeCode 3mo agoOn the other side. What would happen if Anthropic did not communicate like they did and Fable was used to hack Pentagon? Dario would swing from a tree.
- cromka 3mo agoThe vast mojority of its users were probably clueless about all this happening at all. We forget we live in a bubble here on HN. They'll spin it as their success and carry on.