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I just took a look at the page's own 'town square'. At the moment, it's largely full of people saying offensive things for the sake of it.
by lambdaone 3mo ago
I just took a look at the page's own 'town square'. At the moment, it's largely full of people saying offensive things for the sake of it.
- dools 3mo agoSo it’s a twitter plugin?
- trollbridge 3mo agoWithin about 300ms I thought “moderation is going to be a problem”.
- wwind123 3mo agoYeah, I had exactly the same thought.
- childintime 3mo agoWhy? Messages disappear after a few seconds. So all messages are self moderating!
- jumbo1111 3mo agoAI can moderate given specific instructions to prevent anything that can damaged the brand's image.
- Mtinie 3mo agoAfter having been a moderator for a number of communities over the years—BBCs in the 90s, niche forums during the 00s & 10s, Reddit boards in the 20s—I’ve come to believe that running shadow services where disruptive individuals can comingle may be the best way to handle this. The advent of LLMs really opens the door to shunting off these “community members “ who’d rather contribute in misanthropic ways for the lulz than either leave or not contribute at all. They can take part in an interactive echo chamber that gives just as well as they can. You don’t even need a powerful model so the overall costs to the community are probably lower than the alternatives of trying to coexist with community-arsonists. I spent years trying to find ways to bring people productively “into the fold” but eventually realized that it is futile in some cases because there’s zero value to the individual or the community to find a middle ground. They want to see things burn, and the community simply wants them out.
- fragmede 3mo agoBut why not kick them out? Why bother with a shadow site for them?
- sneak 3mo agoThe same reason people get shadowbanned. If they know they are banned they will attempt to work around it.
- SubiculumCode 3mo agoOne day I'll find out that I've been shadow banned from HN, and all of you were bots all along, lolz
- childintime 3mo agoThat defines planet earth nicely. Everybody here is shadow banned and has issues to sort out.
- metamet 3mo agoIf they don't know they're being quarantined, there's no reason for them to find a way around their block. They'll eventually tucker themselves out and move on to whatever their internet equivalent of burning ants with a magnifying glass is.
- hopfog 3mo agoI used to run a small MMORPG. I only had to ban a player once but when I did they made it their life's mission to get around it and spam profanities. They went through every proxy in existence and I had to resort to banning whole IP ranges to keep them out.
- nkrisc 3mo agoIf they believe they’re still trolling people they will keep doing so and won’t make an alternative account and will keep harassing bots instead of real people.
- lifeformed 3mo agoMaybe a really lightweight fast LLM could moderate messages in realtime. Not sure how pricey that would get though.
- michaelmrose 3mo agoExtremely if not behind substantially cheaper anti spam measures. Further it may still make sense to use human reports to gate some automation even if it slows response.
- Jolter 3mo agoNo matter how cheap per request, someone will figure out a way to DoS that endpoint, and it will be extremely pricy unless you have effective rate limiting.
- Kiro 3mo agoThe OpenAI moderation endpoint is free and it doesn't count toward the usage limit.