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Because it's pretty evident that all these data centers are primarily intended to eliminate jobs and make more trillionaires and destroy democracy, and the posi

Because it's pretty evident that all these data centers are primarily intended to eliminate jobs and make more trillionaires and destroy democracy, and the positive stuff (like solving unsolved math problems) doesn't remotely justify that.

fooster 3mo ago
The number of doomers and luddites with extremely hyperbolic views on a site for tech entrepreneurs is wild.
- jkwn 3mo ago
  You have no frame of reference, Donny. I'm guessing you have no conception of what the world used to be like before 9/11. Back then, the news was reported, and people got outraged at things. Sure, there was injustice then too, and all wars are a racket, but there were still standards of morals. Today, you have a level of corruption in all things that is beyond the imagination, out in the open; and it is out in the open because the powers that be have been using technology to silence dissent and cancel everyone who speaks out against it. Those with eyes to see see very clearly where the times are headed; it's a cross between 1984, Minority Report, the Hunger Games, and Back to the Future 2, and the Terminator series. If you don't see it coming, don't know what to tell ya. It's already here, but you don't see it in your feed by design. What's wild is how long it took for HN to wake up. You're the straggler.
  - tengbretson 3mo ago
    You have to admit-- it is interesting that all of this media, that was made during a time when there were standards and morals, has painted such a clear picture of what you now expect life to be like.
    - jkwn 3mo ago
      It's easy to understand once you understand the power structures at play. The US was founded on Christian principles. Even the chief author of the constitution separated church and state for the express purpose of spreading the gospels of Jesus. There is the source of morality. And then since the mid 20th century this stronghold of morality was by the hidden architects of human affairs allowed to diminish by the corruption of the monetary system. The constitution only allows for the federal government to mint silver and gold coins, but over a series of events (starting with the sinking of the Titanic, believe it or not) the power to print money became centralized and co-opted by the global banking elites, and now everything that gets in the way is either purchased or neutralized. Some of the media I cited like 1984 or the Terminator series were as a warning by moral men. It's not surprising that we failed to heed these warnings against the god of money, at least temporarily. Others like Back to the Future 2 (Biff == Trump), or the Simpsons, are predictive programming leaks from mortal architects. What's more surprising to me is the myopic greed of those who choose the dark side willingly despite the forewarned consequences as if all of this wasn't already written about by higher powers, heavenly and earthly. We're living in biblical times whether you agree with it or not. They've been planning for global depopulation since the 60's w/ the World3 simulator. We just lived through the man-made pandemic from the Wuhan lab ala EcoHealth funded by Fauci, and I'm guessing it'll never bother most readers here that he's still not in jail because y'all neither have the attention span nor resources to learn the truth anymore because you keep scrolling censored sources. Which reminds me... Utopia (the UK version), more predictive programming. It's just two seasons, I suggest everyone watch it to get a sense of what I mean by predictive programming. In one scene you'll even find the masonic square and compass. In the US version they even added Bill Gates as a character, just to hammer it home.
      - 20after4 3mo ago
        All of the things you say have been around in the form of fringe conspiracy theories for a long time. Thing is, way too many conspiracy theories, it would seem, are just plain facts (or at least very close to the truth if not 100% perfectly accurate in all the details)
        baq 3mo ago
    - Jare 3mo ago
      It's speculative fiction after all.
  - redsocksfan45 3mo ago
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- budududuroiu 3mo ago
  I'm not an AI booster, nor an AI detractor. I like tech and progress. I'm mortified at the possibility of a data centre being built next to me at some point in the future [1]. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bP80DEAbuo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bP80DEAbuo
  - rcpt 3mo ago
    That video is completely fake btw. https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center-and https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center...
    - budududuroiu 3mo ago
      You can literally hear the 24h whir of the data centres, what are you talking about? Dude wrote an essay around infrasound being pseudoscience and chose to ignore the obvious, audible, constant hum.
- King-Aaron 3mo ago
  Luddites were not against the advent of new technology. They were against capitalists using new technology as an excuse to cut skilled labour and not offer any avenue for reskilling etc. Which is what's happening again.
- veber-alex 3mo ago
  Don't bother, you will just be downvoted to oblivion. Assume every post here is automatically anti something and don't engage. Your mental health isn't worth it.
mukmuk 3mo ago
The number of realists on this site is encouraging.
tengbretson 3mo ago
Everyone on this site has been cashing checks building the job eating machine for years. The concern is only pouring out now that it may not need us anymore.
- mk89 3mo ago
  I am not against AI but putting automation tools is in a different category than "AGI, you only need specs and they do the work for you". 20 years ago even with automation etc you needed armies of people to make something work. It was more of a transformation of the type of work. Look at the amount of work Amazon as a company has created. It changed how people buy stuff etc, but behind the scenes there is always human workforce, to deliver, to invent the recommendation algorithms, to package the items, etc (although here there is heavy automation). Now the idea is that we need AI so we can replace humans, so "people can spend more time on what they like to do". Which is what, searching for jobs on LinkedIn?
  - philipallstar 3mo ago
    Amazon have gone back to having senior engineers review all code before production. Don't believe the hype about AGI when your own eyes have seen how fast the Tesla self-driving progress was until it almost hit a wall a few years ago.
baq 3mo ago
If they also solve fusion, famine, climate disaster, cancer, dementia and child development disorders it isn’t as clear cut
- msy 3mo ago
  Do they? There's been a lot of hot air, quite literally, but aside from some math conjectures actual evidence of meaningful progress on anything that actually helps humanity seems rather thin on the ground.
  - baq 3mo ago
    Velocity of capability growth is only surpassed by velocity of goalposts.
- themafia 3mo ago
  The word happiness, fulfillment or even freedom didn't come to mind? Well at least you're planning to have a very healthy population of enslaved serfs. I'm sure they'll appreciate all you've done for them.
- hibikir 3mo ago
  Once you start from destroying democracy, the chances that the results will quickly put keeping the owner in power ahead of anything good for humanity are high. Autocracies are, in practice, inefficient messes that put loyalty ahead of competency, so one cannot really get prosperity in exchange for no representation. The loss of representation will get us the loss of prosperity real quick. This also applies within companies. You can get temporary lucky with a CEO that isn't accountable to anyone, but then that brings sycophancy, leading to degraded decisions. It's how it always works. So it's very clear cut, because you are offering a trade that cannot actually happen in practice. The economic growth will turn into zero sum status games, like it always has.
  - baq 3mo ago
    I'm just taking destruction of democracy for granted; the question is if we get anything in return.
youre-wrong3 3mo ago
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- chinathrow 3mo ago
  Can you proof them wrong?
- pibaker 3mo ago
  If I'm going to complain about low quality comments I wouldn't do it on a zero karma account.
rcpt 3mo ago
Can you explain how new data centers "destroy democracy"? Pretty sure that problem is not limited by computer power
- esperent 3mo ago
  > Can you explain how new data centers "destroy democracy"? Oligarchs (trillionares and billionaires as they get called in the US) are fundamentally incompatible with democracy.
  - richwater 3mo ago
    You can use the word fundamentally all you want, it doesn't make it true. Explain _why_.
    - esperent 3mo ago
      Because when all the financial power, lobbying, advertising, housing, manufacturing, media etc. is controlled by a handful of oligarchs, it doesn't much matter what way people vote. Too much of the power is owned by the oligarchs rather than the voting public. That's why oligarchies and democracies are fundamentally incompatible.
- adamredwoods 3mo ago
  The monetary advantages gained by AI are not going to the lower class, but rather a small group of wealthy people. Meanwhile data centers cause disruption in energy prices, water, and real estate for the lower class. Thus, economic inequality leads to backslide of democracy: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/economic-inequality-leads-democratic-erosion-study-finds https://news.uchicago.edu/story/economic-inequality-leads-de...
Aunche 3mo ago
The reason all the communist powers switched to capitalism is because they too realized that people with purely selfish intentions can unintentionally help society by satisfying market demands. Just because capital is happy to take advantage our current incompetent authoritarian populist administration doesn't doesn't mean they don't prefer predictable technocrats in charge. Trump was outspent during all of his campaigns.

fooster 3mo ago

The number of doomers and luddites with extremely hyperbolic views on a site for tech entrepreneurs is wild.

jkwn 3mo ago
You have no frame of reference, Donny. I'm guessing you have no conception of what the world used to be like before 9/11. Back then, the news was reported, and people got outraged at things. Sure, there was injustice then too, and all wars are a racket, but there were still standards of morals. Today, you have a level of corruption in all things that is beyond the imagination, out in the open; and it is out in the open because the powers that be have been using technology to silence dissent and cancel everyone who speaks out against it. Those with eyes to see see very clearly where the times are headed; it's a cross between 1984, Minority Report, the Hunger Games, and Back to the Future 2, and the Terminator series. If you don't see it coming, don't know what to tell ya. It's already here, but you don't see it in your feed by design. What's wild is how long it took for HN to wake up. You're the straggler.
- tengbretson 3mo ago
  You have to admit-- it is interesting that all of this media, that was made during a time when there were standards and morals, has painted such a clear picture of what you now expect life to be like.
  - jkwn 3mo ago
    It's easy to understand once you understand the power structures at play. The US was founded on Christian principles. Even the chief author of the constitution separated church and state for the express purpose of spreading the gospels of Jesus. There is the source of morality. And then since the mid 20th century this stronghold of morality was by the hidden architects of human affairs allowed to diminish by the corruption of the monetary system. The constitution only allows for the federal government to mint silver and gold coins, but over a series of events (starting with the sinking of the Titanic, believe it or not) the power to print money became centralized and co-opted by the global banking elites, and now everything that gets in the way is either purchased or neutralized. Some of the media I cited like 1984 or the Terminator series were as a warning by moral men. It's not surprising that we failed to heed these warnings against the god of money, at least temporarily. Others like Back to the Future 2 (Biff == Trump), or the Simpsons, are predictive programming leaks from mortal architects. What's more surprising to me is the myopic greed of those who choose the dark side willingly despite the forewarned consequences as if all of this wasn't already written about by higher powers, heavenly and earthly. We're living in biblical times whether you agree with it or not. They've been planning for global depopulation since the 60's w/ the World3 simulator. We just lived through the man-made pandemic from the Wuhan lab ala EcoHealth funded by Fauci, and I'm guessing it'll never bother most readers here that he's still not in jail because y'all neither have the attention span nor resources to learn the truth anymore because you keep scrolling censored sources. Which reminds me... Utopia (the UK version), more predictive programming. It's just two seasons, I suggest everyone watch it to get a sense of what I mean by predictive programming. In one scene you'll even find the masonic square and compass. In the US version they even added Bill Gates as a character, just to hammer it home.
    - 20after4 3mo ago
      All of the things you say have been around in the form of fringe conspiracy theories for a long time. Thing is, way too many conspiracy theories, it would seem, are just plain facts (or at least very close to the truth if not 100% perfectly accurate in all the details)
      - baq 3mo ago
  - Jare 3mo ago
    It's speculative fiction after all.
- redsocksfan45 3mo ago
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budududuroiu 3mo ago
I'm not an AI booster, nor an AI detractor. I like tech and progress. I'm mortified at the possibility of a data centre being built next to me at some point in the future [1]. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bP80DEAbuo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bP80DEAbuo
- rcpt 3mo ago
  That video is completely fake btw. https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center-and https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center...
  - budududuroiu 3mo ago
    You can literally hear the 24h whir of the data centres, what are you talking about? Dude wrote an essay around infrasound being pseudoscience and chose to ignore the obvious, audible, constant hum.
King-Aaron 3mo ago
Luddites were not against the advent of new technology. They were against capitalists using new technology as an excuse to cut skilled labour and not offer any avenue for reskilling etc. Which is what's happening again.
veber-alex 3mo ago
Don't bother, you will just be downvoted to oblivion. Assume every post here is automatically anti something and don't engage. Your mental health isn't worth it.

mukmuk 3mo ago

The number of realists on this site is encouraging.

tengbretson 3mo ago

Everyone on this site has been cashing checks building the job eating machine for years. The concern is only pouring out now that it may not need us anymore.

mk89 3mo ago
I am not against AI but putting automation tools is in a different category than "AGI, you only need specs and they do the work for you". 20 years ago even with automation etc you needed armies of people to make something work. It was more of a transformation of the type of work. Look at the amount of work Amazon as a company has created. It changed how people buy stuff etc, but behind the scenes there is always human workforce, to deliver, to invent the recommendation algorithms, to package the items, etc (although here there is heavy automation). Now the idea is that we need AI so we can replace humans, so "people can spend more time on what they like to do". Which is what, searching for jobs on LinkedIn?
- philipallstar 3mo ago
  Amazon have gone back to having senior engineers review all code before production. Don't believe the hype about AGI when your own eyes have seen how fast the Tesla self-driving progress was until it almost hit a wall a few years ago.

baq 3mo ago

If they also solve fusion, famine, climate disaster, cancer, dementia and child development disorders it isn’t as clear cut

msy 3mo ago
Do they? There's been a lot of hot air, quite literally, but aside from some math conjectures actual evidence of meaningful progress on anything that actually helps humanity seems rather thin on the ground.
- baq 3mo ago
  Velocity of capability growth is only surpassed by velocity of goalposts.
themafia 3mo ago
The word happiness, fulfillment or even freedom didn't come to mind? Well at least you're planning to have a very healthy population of enslaved serfs. I'm sure they'll appreciate all you've done for them.
hibikir 3mo ago
Once you start from destroying democracy, the chances that the results will quickly put keeping the owner in power ahead of anything good for humanity are high. Autocracies are, in practice, inefficient messes that put loyalty ahead of competency, so one cannot really get prosperity in exchange for no representation. The loss of representation will get us the loss of prosperity real quick. This also applies within companies. You can get temporary lucky with a CEO that isn't accountable to anyone, but then that brings sycophancy, leading to degraded decisions. It's how it always works. So it's very clear cut, because you are offering a trade that cannot actually happen in practice. The economic growth will turn into zero sum status games, like it always has.
- baq 3mo ago
  I'm just taking destruction of democracy for granted; the question is if we get anything in return.

youre-wrong3 3mo ago

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chinathrow 3mo ago
Can you proof them wrong?
pibaker 3mo ago
If I'm going to complain about low quality comments I wouldn't do it on a zero karma account.

rcpt 3mo ago

Can you explain how new data centers "destroy democracy"? Pretty sure that problem is not limited by computer power

esperent 3mo ago
> Can you explain how new data centers "destroy democracy"? Oligarchs (trillionares and billionaires as they get called in the US) are fundamentally incompatible with democracy.
- richwater 3mo ago
  You can use the word fundamentally all you want, it doesn't make it true. Explain _why_.
  - esperent 3mo ago
    Because when all the financial power, lobbying, advertising, housing, manufacturing, media etc. is controlled by a handful of oligarchs, it doesn't much matter what way people vote. Too much of the power is owned by the oligarchs rather than the voting public. That's why oligarchies and democracies are fundamentally incompatible.
adamredwoods 3mo ago
The monetary advantages gained by AI are not going to the lower class, but rather a small group of wealthy people. Meanwhile data centers cause disruption in energy prices, water, and real estate for the lower class. Thus, economic inequality leads to backslide of democracy: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/economic-inequality-leads-democratic-erosion-study-finds https://news.uchicago.edu/story/economic-inequality-leads-de...

Aunche 3mo ago

The reason all the communist powers switched to capitalism is because they too realized that people with purely selfish intentions can unintentionally help society by satisfying market demands. Just because capital is happy to take advantage our current incompetent authoritarian populist administration doesn't doesn't mean they don't prefer predictable technocrats in charge. Trump was outspent during all of his campaigns.