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having developed multiple apps on it and tried every which way to use it (as an XR enthusiast in general), I have never been so happy to put a headset up on the

having developed multiple apps on it and tried every which way to use it (as an XR enthusiast in general), I have never been so happy to put a headset up on the shelf and never pull it out again. using as a spatial monitor was cool. for about 10min until my neck got tired of the added weight. but I’ll give credit that those 10min were pretty cool.

system2 3mo ago
If you are not going to pick it up from the shelf, why wouldn't you sell it before it loses even more value as tech evolves?
- dehugger 3mo ago
  most gen1 apple products are a small retirement investment if you keep it in working condition for long enough
  - system2 3mo ago
    You mean 40-50 years? It would make more money if you invested in a tech stock. Apple itself has gone up 3,000x since its ipo. $1K would be $3M today.
  - al_borland 3mo ago
    This is gambling on a 50 year timeline.
orimirs 3mo ago
Is there a headset you like use for prolonged periods?
- ChoGGi 3mo ago
  I don't have any issue going a couple hours with my HP reverb g2, it is wired though, and I imagine quite a bit lighter.
- t-writescode 3mo ago
  I regularly wear a Quest 3 for 4-7 hours at a time. Before that, I used a Focus Vision for the same. I have a battery pack I put in my pocket for the Quest 3 and I’m generally very happy with it.
  - fouc 3mo ago
    is that 4-7 hours with the Quest 3 mostly for working or entertainment?
    - t-writescode 3mo ago
      Mostly entertainment. Oftentimes with lots of generalized movement, including head turning, tilting, etc.
wvenable 3mo ago
Since it's tethered anyway for the battery, I think Apple made a mistake just not building it as a (smart) monitor tethered to a separate PC. Imagine if the vision pro could just be plugged into a small compute module with a battery or just plugged directly into a Macbook. It would be lighter, cheaper, and more flexible. I think a lot more people would have been interested in it.
- Caracas288 3mo ago
  Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. It would be so cool to be able to plug in arbitrary input devices too, like a dvd player, but its understandable that others don’t feel this way, and it would totally not be an apple product if it did this. One of their main imposed constraints was clearly to make the battery pocketable, which sadly precludes a lot of things which would have made it a better product, in favour of wider acceptability.
  - grokx 3mo ago
    > Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. You can't move the compute away in a headset. I have worked for an XR OEM, and when you are designing a headset, you want the compute to be as close as possible from the cameras and displays, to achieve the lowest possible latency and avoid motion sickness for the users. Even moving the compute to the back of the headset was not considered viable by our HW team. And we haven't spoken about the bandwidth required for all those cameras and UHD displays. A better way to reduce the weight of the AVP would have been to remove the (useless IMO) front holographic screen, and to replace most of the glass and metal by plastic. And maybe move the battery pack to the back, to get a more balanced headset.
    - dsernst 3mo ago
      I agree w/ most of what you said about reducing latency. Just wanted to let you know the new Dual Knit bands are weighted in the back, and improve the balance a bunch.
    - wvenable 3mo ago
nkrisc 3mo ago
Unless materials science advances to the point where a display like the Vision Pro weighs as much as a pair of glasses, I don’t think there’ll ever be mass adoption of wearable VR beyond anything more than a novelty, for exactly the reason you stated. Wearing something heavy on the front of your face is simply not a pleasant experience.
- Geee 3mo ago
  Beyond 2 is 107 grams. The new M5 Vision Pro is 750 grams. It's easily doable, but Apple deliberately makes them heavy for some reason.
  - layer8 3mo ago
    107 grams is still pretty heavy. Regular glasses are 35 grams or less. My sunglasses are below 20 grams.
    - Geee 3mo ago
      I wouldn't say so, if they're properly balanced / supported. Most headphones are heavier than that and comfortable. Ski goggles are around the same weight, and you can easily wear them for long periods without even noticing.
      - layer8 3mo ago
        It makes a difference. People are less willing to wear heavy headphones all day than they are willing to wear regular glasses all day. They also wouldn’t want to wear ski goggles all day (unless they are into all-day skiing I guess). I much prefer wearing 20-gram glasses to wearing 35-gram glasses. 100-gram glasses would be a turn-off.
        Geee 3mo ago
        The difference is that glasses sit on your nose and headphones sit on your head. 100g headphones are considered lightweight. Apple's headphones are 386 grams, which are too heavy for a lot of people.
cineticdaffodil 3mo ago
In industrial robotics, there is this emergency practice when the payload and tooling on the robot gets to heavy, to connect the payload to a counterweight and pully system, to "neutralize it in weight". Has anyone here tried that ? It should take three thin ropes with weight to make a object neutrally buyont. Yes, its tied to one room, yes its not pretty and futuristic, but its practical? If you want freedom of movement, connect via magnet- and dedock on leaving the room?
- thih9 3mo ago
  Here is a video: https://old.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1cki7jc/brilliant_weight_reduction_solution_for_vision_pro/ https://old.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1cki7jc/brillian...
- MisterTea 3mo ago
  Counterweights are common in a lot of industrial machinery. Most CNC mills have them on the Z axis to neutralize the spindle weight. And they're not always a weight on a rope or chain, they can be gas or hydraulic cylinders with valves enabling dynamic loading.
- masfuerte 3mo ago
  More simply, I wonder if anyone's tried adding an equal weight to the back of their head. This would double the weight, but people can carry very heavy loads on their heads as long as the weight is acting downwards.
  - esikich 3mo ago
    The issue with that is you would constantly need to keep your head on the same plane, as soon as you move it around, it becomes unbalanced and now it's even harder to move around because it's heavier. Walking with something balanced on your head is a completely different use case than looking around, up and down etc.
  - t-writescode 3mo ago
    Yes. This is how various headsets are made. The HTC focus Vision is one example, and there’s an addon (not sure if third party) for the quest 3 that puts a battery back there. So yes, this is done and it can help.

system2 3mo ago

If you are not going to pick it up from the shelf, why wouldn't you sell it before it loses even more value as tech evolves?

dehugger 3mo ago
most gen1 apple products are a small retirement investment if you keep it in working condition for long enough
- system2 3mo ago
  You mean 40-50 years? It would make more money if you invested in a tech stock. Apple itself has gone up 3,000x since its ipo. $1K would be $3M today.
- al_borland 3mo ago
  This is gambling on a 50 year timeline.

orimirs 3mo ago

Is there a headset you like use for prolonged periods?

ChoGGi 3mo ago
I don't have any issue going a couple hours with my HP reverb g2, it is wired though, and I imagine quite a bit lighter.
t-writescode 3mo ago
I regularly wear a Quest 3 for 4-7 hours at a time. Before that, I used a Focus Vision for the same. I have a battery pack I put in my pocket for the Quest 3 and I’m generally very happy with it.
- fouc 3mo ago
  is that 4-7 hours with the Quest 3 mostly for working or entertainment?
  - t-writescode 3mo ago
    Mostly entertainment. Oftentimes with lots of generalized movement, including head turning, tilting, etc.

wvenable 3mo ago

Since it's tethered anyway for the battery, I think Apple made a mistake just not building it as a (smart) monitor tethered to a separate PC. Imagine if the vision pro could just be plugged into a small compute module with a battery or just plugged directly into a Macbook. It would be lighter, cheaper, and more flexible. I think a lot more people would have been interested in it.

Caracas288 3mo ago
Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. It would be so cool to be able to plug in arbitrary input devices too, like a dvd player, but its understandable that others don’t feel this way, and it would totally not be an apple product if it did this. One of their main imposed constraints was clearly to make the battery pocketable, which sadly precludes a lot of things which would have made it a better product, in favour of wider acceptability.
- grokx 3mo ago
  > Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. You can't move the compute away in a headset. I have worked for an XR OEM, and when you are designing a headset, you want the compute to be as close as possible from the cameras and displays, to achieve the lowest possible latency and avoid motion sickness for the users. Even moving the compute to the back of the headset was not considered viable by our HW team. And we haven't spoken about the bandwidth required for all those cameras and UHD displays. A better way to reduce the weight of the AVP would have been to remove the (useless IMO) front holographic screen, and to replace most of the glass and metal by plastic. And maybe move the battery pack to the back, to get a more balanced headset.
  - dsernst 3mo ago
    I agree w/ most of what you said about reducing latency. Just wanted to let you know the new Dual Knit bands are weighted in the back, and improve the balance a bunch.
  - wvenable 3mo ago

nkrisc 3mo ago

Unless materials science advances to the point where a display like the Vision Pro weighs as much as a pair of glasses, I don’t think there’ll ever be mass adoption of wearable VR beyond anything more than a novelty, for exactly the reason you stated. Wearing something heavy on the front of your face is simply not a pleasant experience.

Geee 3mo ago
Beyond 2 is 107 grams. The new M5 Vision Pro is 750 grams. It's easily doable, but Apple deliberately makes them heavy for some reason.
- layer8 3mo ago
  107 grams is still pretty heavy. Regular glasses are 35 grams or less. My sunglasses are below 20 grams.
  - Geee 3mo ago
    I wouldn't say so, if they're properly balanced / supported. Most headphones are heavier than that and comfortable. Ski goggles are around the same weight, and you can easily wear them for long periods without even noticing.
    - layer8 3mo ago
      It makes a difference. People are less willing to wear heavy headphones all day than they are willing to wear regular glasses all day. They also wouldn’t want to wear ski goggles all day (unless they are into all-day skiing I guess). I much prefer wearing 20-gram glasses to wearing 35-gram glasses. 100-gram glasses would be a turn-off.
      - Geee 3mo ago
        The difference is that glasses sit on your nose and headphones sit on your head. 100g headphones are considered lightweight. Apple's headphones are 386 grams, which are too heavy for a lot of people.

cineticdaffodil 3mo ago

In industrial robotics, there is this emergency practice when the payload and tooling on the robot gets to heavy, to connect the payload to a counterweight and pully system, to "neutralize it in weight". Has anyone here tried that ? It should take three thin ropes with weight to make a object neutrally buyont. Yes, its tied to one room, yes its not pretty and futuristic, but its practical? If you want freedom of movement, connect via magnet- and dedock on leaving the room?

thih9 3mo ago
Here is a video: https://old.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1cki7jc/brilliant_weight_reduction_solution_for_vision_pro/ https://old.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1cki7jc/brillian...
MisterTea 3mo ago
Counterweights are common in a lot of industrial machinery. Most CNC mills have them on the Z axis to neutralize the spindle weight. And they're not always a weight on a rope or chain, they can be gas or hydraulic cylinders with valves enabling dynamic loading.
masfuerte 3mo ago
More simply, I wonder if anyone's tried adding an equal weight to the back of their head. This would double the weight, but people can carry very heavy loads on their heads as long as the weight is acting downwards.
- esikich 3mo ago
  The issue with that is you would constantly need to keep your head on the same plane, as soon as you move it around, it becomes unbalanced and now it's even harder to move around because it's heavier. Walking with something balanced on your head is a completely different use case than looking around, up and down etc.
- t-writescode 3mo ago
  Yes. This is how various headsets are made. The HTC focus Vision is one example, and there’s an addon (not sure if third party) for the quest 3 that puts a battery back there. So yes, this is done and it can help.