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i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing
by foolfoolz 5mo ago
i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing
- Pxtl 5mo agoTimex has been making iron-man watches held together with Philips-head screws that can withstand 100 meters of water pressure since the mid-1980s. Waterproofing is no excuse for this nonsense.
- Aurornis 5mo agoWatch cases are relatively huge for what needs to be inside them. You can see the difference between an entire smartphone and a simple time keeping device, right? They also don’t have the long aspect ratio of phones (bending moment). This doesn’t compare to phones at all. It’s like trying to compare your TI-83 calculator to a MacBook Pro
- changoplatanero 5mo agoThey also don't have speakers, microphones, and charging ports.
- Pxtl 5mo agoMy Galaxy Watch disagrees.
- Pxtl 5mo agoThen use more screws. Stud them all the way down the perimeter of the back 1cm apart for all I care. Still better than heat-guns and prying.
- vile_wretch 5mo agoAdding more holes to a surface isn't going to make it more waterproof
- alt227 5mo agoTell that to boat hull riveters
- vile_wretch 4mo agoLol yeah I'm sure drilling out a bunch of rivets would be much better than "adhesives and prying"
- giantrobot 5mo agoYou'd be really interested to learn the difference between a rivet and a screw.
- alt227 5mo agoRivets use holes, exactly the thing the parent mentioned about not being waterproof.
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- SigmundA 5mo agoNow go look up why they stopped riveting ships in the 40's and went to welding, there are no modern riveted ships. Even with the rivets they were forged not pressed, nothing like a screw. Cheap aluminum boats are still riveted, welding preferred for obvious reasons. I have an old riveted aluminum John boat and is leaks through the rivets and seams...
- alt227 5mo ago> there are no modern riveted ships > Cheap aluminum boats are still riveted I think you may need to think out your entire post before typing such contradictions. Riveted hulls worked for hundreds of years and well maintained they can last forever. Just bacause welding makes it cheaper to maintain in the long run does not detract from the fact that riveted hulls are very performant, which is why they were used everywhere that needed not only waterproofing but pressure containment too.
- thechao 5mo agoI think the USB & speaker are the weak links for water ingress. Also, a removable battery would (probably?) significantly weaken the phone. So, if you dropped it, it'd be more likely to sustain real damage.
- AngryData 5mo agoI don't see them as very big weak points. USB doesn't have enough voltage to do jack in water even if you don't detect the water and turn it off. And the speaker can be made entirely out of waterproof materials, there are literally waterproof floating pool speakers you can buy for dirt cheap. The weak link is the main oring/glue as always.
- derekerdmann 5mo agoI once had a cheap Timex watch die from water ingress after running a track workout during a torrential downpour. At the time I joked that it only failed because we ran farther than the 100m rating
- catlikesshrimp 5mo agoIs there any chance it was counterfeit (Timexx or so)
- derekerdmann 5mo agoNo. Bought in person at a Walmart in like, 2005
- joe_mamba 5mo agoMy low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?
- kccqzy 5mo agoI normally much prefer screws over glue but Apple has at least been using repair-friendly glue like the electrically debonding adhesive in use for iPhone 16e/17e.
- alt227 5mo agoFriendly for who? I certainly cant electrically debond chemical compounds, but I sure do know how to undo a screw.
- SauntSolaire 5mo agoAnd you can't follow a guide either? All you have to do is clip a 9v battery on. Do you also consider yourself incapable of jump starting a car because you might have to look up instructions first?
- alt227 5mo agoYes. Dont assume that everybody is technically minded such as yourself. I know plenty of people that would never even consider jump starting thei car. However are also quite happy with poppping open a battery cover and doing a simple swap like any other battery powered device.
- SauntSolaire 5mo agoYou don't have to be "technically minded" to figure this out. It's not spinning up a Kubernetes cluster, it's a picture with an arrow that says "Clip red wire here". Simply driving a car is a thousand times more complicated, and we expect most everybody to be capable of that. There's also a difference between not wanting to do something, and not being capable of it.
- ratiolat 5mo agoIP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php
- RedShift1 5mo agoAnd 4 years old... I wouldn't buy this new
- joe_mamba 5mo agoThe comment is not meant to give you something to buy, it's just proof that it can technically be done, they just don't want to do it for modern flagships.
- nickpp 5mo ago> it can technically be done At what cost though?! And no, I am not talking about money. Any device (and any product really) is a set of tradeoffs. I like it when different producers select a different subset of priorities for their offer. Competition at work. One of the reasons we witnessed such an awesome evolution in the smartphone market. I hate it when a bureaucrat dictates a set of demands with absolutely zero regard to the cost or the tradeoffs involved in product decisions and market competition.
- inanutshellus 5mo agoThe tradeoff was discussed in a sibling thread: it's heavier by 58 grams and thicker by 2mm. That's it. That's the tradeoff. Why go crazy on the guy?
- soperj 5mo agoThat's with the latest iphone, not the equivalent iphone from when this was released.
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- GoToRO 5mo agoThere is not waterproofing, on any phone. Yes, when you buy it, no after 3 years when the glue that waterproofs no longer sticks due to ageing.
- lightedman 5mo ago"Yes, when you buy it, no after 3 years when the glue that waterproofs no longer sticks due to ageing." My 2014 Kyocera Duraforce Pro is STILL waterproof and I use it for underwater photography incessantly.
- k12sosse 5mo agoall that water is keeping the glue moist
- lightedman 5mo agoNo glue, it's all screws and gaskets.
- thatguy0900 5mo agoI'm kinda surprised with esim, wireless charging and Bluetooth noones just made a phone with a solid layer of glass completely surrounding it for 100% waterproofing
- chroma 5mo agoA lack of physical port makes troubleshooting more difficult. Apple didn’t remove the diagnostic port from their watches until the series 7. Also I think certain governments require that phones have a USB-C port.
- chroma 5mo agoIt really depends on the model, manufacturer, & luck. I’ve never had a phone lose its water resistance. The phone I use today (a 13 mini) is almost five years old and I clean it by running it under the faucet.
- HumblyTossed 5mo agoThe two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Also, it's water - resistance.