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Very funny to see HN hate on Microsoft and Google but then love a company where they cannot even run an app on their mobile platform without Apple's permission

Very funny to see HN hate on Microsoft and Google but then love a company where they cannot even run an app on their mobile platform without Apple's permission or only a certain number of VMs on the hardware they own .

dghlsakjg 5mo ago
Since when are users in this place shy about bashing Apple? Plenty of hate out there of apple alongside the love.
- Barbing 5mo ago
  In the very same comments sometimes, those frustrating geniuses
  - RealityVoid 5mo ago
    Adults can hold 2 thoughts in their head at their same time.
    - skygazer 5mo ago
      Paraphrasing F. Scott Fitzgerald? "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." Holding contradictory ideas isn't the laudable skill. Any uncritical person can believe conflicting things without being troubled by them. The genius is holding such ideas in disbelief long enough to let evidence alter or evict them.
      - RealityVoid 5mo ago
        I agree that holding inconsistent thoughts is not desirable. I don't think the thoughts in this case need to be contradictory and many times are not. I, personally, admire the HW they design and the polish that Apple delivers, while hating how closed their platform is. Am I contradicting myself? I did not know F. Scott Fitzgerald was the source of the phrase, TIL. I just picked it up somewhere and paraphrased it since I thought it applies here.
    - Barbing 5mo ago
      Yes, indeed, complaining about them even though they're brilliant (tough love?) as I just did
  - neal_jones 5mo ago
    Inside of me are two wolves. One that’s like “F Apple” and another that is like “Are they going to do an M5 ultra or…?”
    - matheusmoreira 5mo ago
      We can appreciate their hardware achievements and at the same time condemn them for their monopolistic anti-user decisions.
      - Barbing 5mo ago
        There it is--pretty much that.
hparadiz 5mo ago
What love? I think this is bullshit.
- pcdoodle 5mo ago
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matheusmoreira 5mo ago
HN is not one person. I'm very happy to hate on all of them. I see what you mean though. I've given up on getting normal people to care, but seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting.
- AussieWog93 5mo ago
  >seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting. I run macOS because Apple understands that QA testing is something of actual importance, and designing yet another package manager is not. I do spin up Linux every now and again to see if it's good yet, and always walk away. Why do documents print at ~50dpi on my network printer? Why does the system simply not wake up ~20% of the time when I open my laptop's lid? Why do I have to unplug and reconnect my USB WiFi Dongle every hour or so when the internet randomly drops out? Why does the system stop recognising my USB SD Card reader occasionally, forcing me to hard reboot the system? Why is the audio distorted over HDMI when I enable HDR? Why does Kodi only detect a refresh rate of 30Hz when the system itself has no issues seeing that the monitor is 60Hz? All of these are real problems that real users have had, but instead of solving them the Linux development community instead chooses to devote their time and resources navel gazing about systemd alternatives or creating a fragile AUR package for software that already has a sensible and officially supported distribution method.
  - matheusmoreira 5mo ago
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    - ericmay 5mo ago
      On the other hand I’m very conveniently enjoying my experience, I don’t have to waste time screwing with stuff I have no interest in screwing with - like the OP’s examples, and if I want to run Linux I’ll just install it and do what I want or rent out some compute time somewhere. Besides, you can buy a Mac and do whatever you want and go buy a bunch of off the shelf components to do whatever hobby stuff you want to do too. Freedom, perhaps, starts with not making up and applying limitations on yourself.
monocularvision 5mo ago
Someday I may be able to retire this link, but today is not that day: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy
- gaythread 5mo ago
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- toobulkeh 5mo ago
  I’ve been looking for this for forever. Finally, the right label.
tomhow 5mo ago
Please avoid these kinds of sneers that characterize the whole community as being united in “hate” or “love” for any particular company or technology. HN is a diverse global community and its views about most topics form a normal distribution, and most people here are able to form nuanced opinions that consider the positives and negatives in all these topics. This kind of “very funny” swipe relies on a caricature that's easy to portray if you focus on the loudest voices on one side of any discussion but falls away if you make the effort to read the discussions in depth.

dghlsakjg 5mo ago

Since when are users in this place shy about bashing Apple? Plenty of hate out there of apple alongside the love.

Barbing 5mo ago
In the very same comments sometimes, those frustrating geniuses
- RealityVoid 5mo ago
  Adults can hold 2 thoughts in their head at their same time.
  - skygazer 5mo ago
    Paraphrasing F. Scott Fitzgerald? "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." Holding contradictory ideas isn't the laudable skill. Any uncritical person can believe conflicting things without being troubled by them. The genius is holding such ideas in disbelief long enough to let evidence alter or evict them.
    - RealityVoid 5mo ago
      I agree that holding inconsistent thoughts is not desirable. I don't think the thoughts in this case need to be contradictory and many times are not. I, personally, admire the HW they design and the polish that Apple delivers, while hating how closed their platform is. Am I contradicting myself? I did not know F. Scott Fitzgerald was the source of the phrase, TIL. I just picked it up somewhere and paraphrased it since I thought it applies here.
  - Barbing 5mo ago
    Yes, indeed, complaining about them even though they're brilliant (tough love?) as I just did
- neal_jones 5mo ago
  Inside of me are two wolves. One that’s like “F Apple” and another that is like “Are they going to do an M5 ultra or…?”
  - matheusmoreira 5mo ago
    We can appreciate their hardware achievements and at the same time condemn them for their monopolistic anti-user decisions.
    - Barbing 5mo ago
      There it is--pretty much that.

hparadiz 5mo ago

What love? I think this is bullshit.

pcdoodle 5mo ago
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matheusmoreira 5mo ago

HN is not one person. I'm very happy to hate on all of them. I see what you mean though. I've given up on getting normal people to care, but seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting.

AussieWog93 5mo ago
>seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting. I run macOS because Apple understands that QA testing is something of actual importance, and designing yet another package manager is not. I do spin up Linux every now and again to see if it's good yet, and always walk away. Why do documents print at ~50dpi on my network printer? Why does the system simply not wake up ~20% of the time when I open my laptop's lid? Why do I have to unplug and reconnect my USB WiFi Dongle every hour or so when the internet randomly drops out? Why does the system stop recognising my USB SD Card reader occasionally, forcing me to hard reboot the system? Why is the audio distorted over HDMI when I enable HDR? Why does Kodi only detect a refresh rate of 30Hz when the system itself has no issues seeing that the monitor is 60Hz? All of these are real problems that real users have had, but instead of solving them the Linux development community instead chooses to devote their time and resources navel gazing about systemd alternatives or creating a fragile AUR package for software that already has a sensible and officially supported distribution method.
- matheusmoreira 5mo ago
  [flagged]
  - ericmay 5mo ago
    On the other hand I’m very conveniently enjoying my experience, I don’t have to waste time screwing with stuff I have no interest in screwing with - like the OP’s examples, and if I want to run Linux I’ll just install it and do what I want or rent out some compute time somewhere. Besides, you can buy a Mac and do whatever you want and go buy a bunch of off the shelf components to do whatever hobby stuff you want to do too. Freedom, perhaps, starts with not making up and applying limitations on yourself.

monocularvision 5mo ago

Someday I may be able to retire this link, but today is not that day: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy

gaythread 5mo ago
[flagged]
toobulkeh 5mo ago
I’ve been looking for this for forever. Finally, the right label.

tomhow 5mo ago

Please avoid these kinds of sneers that characterize the whole community as being united in “hate” or “love” for any particular company or technology. HN is a diverse global community and its views about most topics form a normal distribution, and most people here are able to form nuanced opinions that consider the positives and negatives in all these topics. This kind of “very funny” swipe relies on a caricature that's easy to portray if you focus on the loudest voices on one side of any discussion but falls away if you make the effort to read the discussions in depth.