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I think you missed many important points. "The trauma, loss of liberty, and reputational damage cannot be easily fixed,” Lipps' lawyers told CNN in an email.

I think you missed many important points. "The trauma, loss of liberty, and reputational damage cannot be easily fixed,” Lipps' lawyers told CNN in an email. That sounds a LOT like a statement you make for before suing for damages, not to mention they literally say "Her lawyers are exploring civil rights claims but have yet to file a lawsuit, they said." This lady probably just wants to go back to normal life and get some money for the hell they put her in. She has never been on a airplane before, I doubt she is going to take on the entire system like you suggest. Easier said than done to "challenge the entire system", what does that even mean exactly?

3eb7988a1663 6mo ago
It was worse than that, the reporting from an earlier story[0] ...Unable to pay her bills from jail, she lost her home, her car and even her dog. There is not a jury in the country that will side against the woman. I am not even sure who will make the best pop culture mashup - John Wick or a country song writer? (Also, what happened to journalism - no Oxford comma?) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968
- frankharv 6mo ago
  Indeed let out on Christmas Eve with no money 1000 miles from your homeland. Where your home was lost to foreclosure because one JUDGE did not look at the paperwork. There should be a way to personally sue somebody when they don't do their job. Protecting the innocent. The JUDGE failed badly here. Flimsy evidence would mean no warrant. Do your basic investigation please... Rubberstamping JUDGE caused this. Why are they not named? Like they are a spectator. Infact they are the cause.
  - fc417fc802 6mo ago
    TBF isn't it rather unreasonable that our system permits your home to be foreclosed while you're detained prior to a hearing? Also rather unreasonable to arrest someone who is clearly neither violent nor a flight risk. You could literally hold the trial via video conference at that point and there would be no downside.
    - FireBeyond 6mo ago
      At the risk of sounding like more of an anarchist (irony, autocorrect went with absurdist which isn’t entirely wrong either) than I might usually feel, that all depends on who you believe the system is for and works for? If you believe it’s “capitalism” as been so often proven, then it could be said that it’s entirely “reasonable”.
      - rootusrootus 6mo ago
        > depends on who you believe the system is for and works for We are still enough of a democracy to blame ourselves for this. We could choose that the system is of the people, by the people, for the people. I think too many of us simply don't agree with that, except in the narrow situation where we are talking about ourself.
        deaux 6mo ago
        We could just overcome the tens of billions shoved into our faces aimed at undermining it and brainwashing us, and choose that the system is of the people? The deck is so unbelievably stacked against it. Another thing: many people hav e been permitted to vote in let's say 40 elections (at different levels), out of which maybe 1 had a candidate that indeed supported a "system that is of the people", and 39 didn't. Gets tough then doesn't it.
- cguess 6mo ago
  As an aside AP Style is not use an Oxford comma, and that's been the rule for 50+ years https://www.prnewsonline.com/explainer-how-to-use-oxford-commas-per-ap-style/ https://www.prnewsonline.com/explainer-how-to-use-oxford-com...
  - 3eb7988a1663 6mo ago
    This is upsetting.
    - erikerikson 6mo ago
      Yes, finding out how badly wrong you were is never fun. Of course the lack of ubiquitous Oxford comma use is itself and separately displeasing.
  - krferriter 6mo ago
    AP Style is simply wrong on this, then.
    - kbelder 6mo ago
      Well, omitting the Oxford comma is the traditionally correct thing to do. I use the Oxford comma, it makes sense, but it is new. A hundred years ago it would have been considered an error by nearly every editor.
- segmondy 6mo ago
  You have more faith in the country than I do.
  - 3eb7988a1663 6mo ago
    Normally, I would be a bit more grim, but people love their animals. I pray even the staunchest authoritarian would see the injustice of losing a dog.
    - deaux 6mo ago
      You're not aware of Noem killing her dog by shooting it in the face, lining up three horses and shooting them, while being proud of it all?
      - konfusinomicon 6mo ago
        iirc the dog was a dangerous animal and had attacked people and animals uprovoked quite a few times. didnt hear about it so not sure about the horses, but typically people dont just execute horses when they aren't injured or at risk of living out a traumatic existence. who knows, media spins and all that jazz, but I wouldn't hesitate to end a liability of a dangerous dog or a horse in suffering that had no chance of recovery, however reluctant id feel in the moment
- redeeman 6mo ago
  anyone in the chain of responsibility should be punished so severely that they will be still crying about it in 2030
cogman10 6mo ago
The real problem here is she'll get money, who knows how much, but that ultimately does nothing to actually address the problems in the system. Effectively it just raises taxes to cover the cost of these failed prosecutions. Everytime one of these cases happens, a cop and a prosecutor should be out of a job permanently. Possibly even jailed. The false arrest should lose the cop their job and get them blacklisted, the prosecution should lose the prosecutor's right to practice law. And if the police union doesn't like that and decides to strike, every one of those cops should simply be fired. Much like we did to the ATC. We'd be better off hiring untrained civilians as cops than to keep propping up this system of warrior cops abusing the citizens.
- FireBeyond 6mo ago
  > The false arrest should lose the cop their job and get them blacklisted There is actually a federal register for LEOs that have been terminated for cause or resigned to avoid termination. The police unions that operate in the jurisdictions that employ 70% of US police have negotiated into their CBAs that the register “cannot be used for hiring or promotional decisions”. Read into that what you will.
  - cogman10 6mo ago
    I'm generally pretty for unions, but the police union is one that's a complete cancer on society. It pretty much solely exists to make sure cops are free to harm the public without any sort of accountability.
    - rootusrootus 6mo ago
      Agreed. And I think we really, really need to put more effort into a "police the police" organization. Someone who has power only over the police, who the police do not have power over, to act as a check.
      - 1718627440 6mo ago
        We might call this the administration of the executive. Maybe we can vote for that or something.

3eb7988a1663 6mo ago

It was worse than that, the reporting from an earlier story[0] ...Unable to pay her bills from jail, she lost her home, her car and even her dog. There is not a jury in the country that will side against the woman. I am not even sure who will make the best pop culture mashup - John Wick or a country song writer? (Also, what happened to journalism - no Oxford comma?) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968

frankharv 6mo ago
Indeed let out on Christmas Eve with no money 1000 miles from your homeland. Where your home was lost to foreclosure because one JUDGE did not look at the paperwork. There should be a way to personally sue somebody when they don't do their job. Protecting the innocent. The JUDGE failed badly here. Flimsy evidence would mean no warrant. Do your basic investigation please... Rubberstamping JUDGE caused this. Why are they not named? Like they are a spectator. Infact they are the cause.
- fc417fc802 6mo ago
  TBF isn't it rather unreasonable that our system permits your home to be foreclosed while you're detained prior to a hearing? Also rather unreasonable to arrest someone who is clearly neither violent nor a flight risk. You could literally hold the trial via video conference at that point and there would be no downside.
  - FireBeyond 6mo ago
    At the risk of sounding like more of an anarchist (irony, autocorrect went with absurdist which isn’t entirely wrong either) than I might usually feel, that all depends on who you believe the system is for and works for? If you believe it’s “capitalism” as been so often proven, then it could be said that it’s entirely “reasonable”.
    - rootusrootus 6mo ago
      > depends on who you believe the system is for and works for We are still enough of a democracy to blame ourselves for this. We could choose that the system is of the people, by the people, for the people. I think too many of us simply don't agree with that, except in the narrow situation where we are talking about ourself.
      - deaux 6mo ago
        We could just overcome the tens of billions shoved into our faces aimed at undermining it and brainwashing us, and choose that the system is of the people? The deck is so unbelievably stacked against it. Another thing: many people hav e been permitted to vote in let's say 40 elections (at different levels), out of which maybe 1 had a candidate that indeed supported a "system that is of the people", and 39 didn't. Gets tough then doesn't it.
cguess 6mo ago
As an aside AP Style is not use an Oxford comma, and that's been the rule for 50+ years https://www.prnewsonline.com/explainer-how-to-use-oxford-commas-per-ap-style/ https://www.prnewsonline.com/explainer-how-to-use-oxford-com...
- 3eb7988a1663 6mo ago
  This is upsetting.
  - erikerikson 6mo ago
    Yes, finding out how badly wrong you were is never fun. Of course the lack of ubiquitous Oxford comma use is itself and separately displeasing.
- krferriter 6mo ago
  AP Style is simply wrong on this, then.
  - kbelder 6mo ago
    Well, omitting the Oxford comma is the traditionally correct thing to do. I use the Oxford comma, it makes sense, but it is new. A hundred years ago it would have been considered an error by nearly every editor.
segmondy 6mo ago
You have more faith in the country than I do.
- 3eb7988a1663 6mo ago
  Normally, I would be a bit more grim, but people love their animals. I pray even the staunchest authoritarian would see the injustice of losing a dog.
  - deaux 6mo ago
    You're not aware of Noem killing her dog by shooting it in the face, lining up three horses and shooting them, while being proud of it all?
    - konfusinomicon 6mo ago
      iirc the dog was a dangerous animal and had attacked people and animals uprovoked quite a few times. didnt hear about it so not sure about the horses, but typically people dont just execute horses when they aren't injured or at risk of living out a traumatic existence. who knows, media spins and all that jazz, but I wouldn't hesitate to end a liability of a dangerous dog or a horse in suffering that had no chance of recovery, however reluctant id feel in the moment
redeeman 6mo ago
anyone in the chain of responsibility should be punished so severely that they will be still crying about it in 2030

cogman10 6mo ago

The real problem here is she'll get money, who knows how much, but that ultimately does nothing to actually address the problems in the system. Effectively it just raises taxes to cover the cost of these failed prosecutions. Everytime one of these cases happens, a cop and a prosecutor should be out of a job permanently. Possibly even jailed. The false arrest should lose the cop their job and get them blacklisted, the prosecution should lose the prosecutor's right to practice law. And if the police union doesn't like that and decides to strike, every one of those cops should simply be fired. Much like we did to the ATC. We'd be better off hiring untrained civilians as cops than to keep propping up this system of warrior cops abusing the citizens.

FireBeyond 6mo ago
> The false arrest should lose the cop their job and get them blacklisted There is actually a federal register for LEOs that have been terminated for cause or resigned to avoid termination. The police unions that operate in the jurisdictions that employ 70% of US police have negotiated into their CBAs that the register “cannot be used for hiring or promotional decisions”. Read into that what you will.
- cogman10 6mo ago
  I'm generally pretty for unions, but the police union is one that's a complete cancer on society. It pretty much solely exists to make sure cops are free to harm the public without any sort of accountability.
  - rootusrootus 6mo ago
    Agreed. And I think we really, really need to put more effort into a "police the police" organization. Someone who has power only over the police, who the police do not have power over, to act as a check.
    - 1718627440 6mo ago
      We might call this the administration of the executive. Maybe we can vote for that or something.