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Atuin v18.13 – better search, a PTY proxy, and AI for your shell
- fragmede 6mo agoI had Claude write me fundcli, which goes over your atuin shell history and suggests places to donate to. https://github.com/fragmede/fundcli https://github.com/fragmede/fundcli
- GardenLetter27 6mo agoAtuin is great. This, fish, LazyGit, and zellij are mandatory for me now.
- h4ch1 6mo agowhat does zellij offer that tmux doesn't? I love tmux and haven't had a reason to switch for a while, but have heard these new Rust based terminal tooling get really popular.
- zenoprax 6mo agoIf all you need is basic splits, sessions, and some simple templates/layouts (and like the convenience of knowing that tmux is widely available, and often installed by default) then you're fine to stay on tmux. Zellij can do things like floating windows, contextual keybinding guidance (helps learn everything that can be done), and a more complex layout schema. You can disable all the UI eye-candy and switch to tmux-style bindings too. It's worth trying out. I use both so that I can still function on systems without it.
- wredcoll 6mo agoWait, tmux doesn't have floating windows? I really thought it did...
- n8henrie 6mo agoA ton more conflicting keybindings. I switched away from tmux a year or so ago due to one crash I kept getting, but thinking of going back. Really miss the simplicity.
- jxdxbx 6mo agoIt's hard to use in so many apps unless you lock the keyboard.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 6mo agoIf you are comparing raw features, there is probably little to differentiate vs a legacy tool. However, the out of the box experience is fantastic, and the author has clearly put a lot of effort in their take without being locked into legacy decisions. If you watch some of the screencasts and are not impressed, there is nothing more I can do to pitch the idea. My only complaint is that I feel like I am only ever scratching the surface of what the tool can offer. https://zellij.dev/tutorials/basic-functionality/ https://zellij.dev/tutorials/basic-functionality/
- rahimnathwani 6mo agoAtuin AI sounds like a useful addition. The page suggests they're probably using hosted models: We use the latest frontier models, which already do a good job of generating commands using well-known binaries and CLIs. On top of that, we integrate a dataset powered by man pages and command outputs to ensure you get the correct command first. This is great, but does it mean we'll need to log in somehow? It doesn't seem reasonable to expect the project maintainers to pay for the tokens. EDIT: I was unaware of Atuin's 'hub' which does things like sync your shell history across computers. I think they use the same sign-in as they already use for that: https://hub.atuin.sh/register https://hub.atuin.sh/register
- embedding-shape 6mo agoThis part: > On top of that, we integrate a dataset powered by man pages and command outputs to ensure you get the correct command first. Also makes it sound like they're "providing that dataset", rather than generating that from the users computer. Wouldn't that mean it's potentially a mismatch between various versions of the software available? Not to mention some OSes will have a different version of some software available compared to others, how does it deal with those situations if they're shipping a dataset?
- _ache_ 6mo agoThere is no way is it not generated on user computer. "get the correct command first" and "shipping a [external] dataset" are incompatible.
- mtndew4brkfst 6mo agoIt's feeding it to a remote endpoint: https://github.com/atuinsh/atuin/blob/5f279584f4f6532871a74dfafe85795320807cac/crates/atuin-ai/src/commands/inline.rs#L47 https://github.com/atuinsh/atuin/blob/5f279584f4f6532871a74d...
- anamexis 6mo agoThe Data Privacy paragraph would suggest otherwise. > By default, Atuin AI knows nothing about your machine, other than the operating system and shell. This is the bare minimum required to generate a decent shell command. > It will soon be able to ask you for access to more data - such as the current directory path, contents, git status, etc - but you must give permission first. This will happen in a similar way to existing agents, and be configurable to an even finer degree in your config file.
- lta 6mo agoWhy does every tool on the face of earth try to add AI features ? Good tools are simple and orthogonal. If you want AI, there's already plenty of other tools doing it probably better. I'm overall fairly disappointed by this announcement. This IMHO doesn't bode well
- Bnjoroge 6mo agoIt’s fine - I like the introduction of AI. It’s optional - if you don’t want it, turn it off or don’t use it
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- righthand 6mo agoAI features are the new Electron app. Welcome to the new hell, please finish installing your 10 different inference engines, one for each app.
- qudat 6mo agoIf you want VC money you need to put an AI spin on it.
- tootie 6mo agoProduct is free, open source and largely written and maintained by one person. Doesn't seem like a startup payday scheme.
- mpalmer 6mo agoI was already turned off by their decision to remove support for fzf, which I use everywhere else. I'm done.
- ellieh 6mo agoI’m not sure what you mean here - we never supported fzf, other than a super early prototype in like 2021 This release actually adds support for nucleo, which matches with the same algorithm as fzf and was a common request
- evandrofisico 6mo agoAbout the "ai", the announcement is very vague. Is this incorporating a local model on device, something running on your infrastructure or a third party model like Claude? Because to me nowadays adding AI on anything usually means higher running costs equals sooner or latter enshittification.
- mpalmer 6mo agoHey, thanks for responding. I guess I used the prototype then. Definitely don't remember anyone saying "this is a prototype" at the time, so I took the product at face value, and part of the reason I chose it was the fzf support. I'm sure I recall some unhappy GitHub issues about the shift away... And the algorithm isn't the value prop for me, not by a long shot. fzf's customizability takes the cake. And now the overall product is way too big and feature-ful for me. I want simple, unix-y software that clicks together like Lego. You should be proud of the project's success for sure, it's just not for me!
- dc_giant 6mo agoHmm might be great for some. I’m a Unix philosophy guy, one tool for one job. So far atuin was fine to be a better search history. Now it might be time to look for simpler alternative. Any suggestions? (I’m on zsh)
- justech 6mo agoI tried atuin and then switched back to fzf[0]. It's less features but that's not necessarily a negative. [0]https://github.com/junegunn/fzf https://github.com/junegunn/fzf
- kstrauser 6mo agoFzf doesn't let you sync your shell history, though. I self-host an Atuin server so that I can share that history across my various machines.
- doubled112 6mo agoI also self host my own atuin server. It’s great. I didn’t think syncing terminal history would be very useful until I tried it, but now I have a hard time when I don’t have it.
- kstrauser 6mo agoThat was my experience. “Huh, what was that complicate thing I did on the database server?” I have its search bound to ^r and use Fish shell’s own search for most things, with cross-machine search a keystroke away.
- stevekemp 6mo agoTo be honest I find the things I do on my "work" laptop are different to the things I do on my "personal" laptop, and different again to what I do on my desktop machine. Regardless of which machine I'm using at any given moment I appreciate having "endless history", and the ability to search/filter it. But despite that I don't think I need to actual sync that. I'm sure there is value to be had from syncing and making all history unified, but it's never appealed to me particularly.
- colesantiago 6mo agoAs soon as a tool adds pricing, price increases or adds AI that's when it begins to be enshittified. Why does this happen mostly?
- evandrofisico 6mo agoYep, out of precaution i've never used their sync infrastructure, which I guess was reasonably cheap to run, but the moment you add LLMs to the mix it is obvious that they are in for the free VC money and are soon going to need a lot of investment to keep the lights on.
- mijoharas 6mo agoThe thing I found frustrating was I wanted to merge changes with just files without their sync server (i.e. just import this other atuin sqlite dB) so I raised a PR to support that. They closed it (which is fine) but there is no offline migrate alternative. It's a shame, and fair enough, their project, but I don't think my wishes and the projects are very aligned. I keep half meaning to move back to zsh-histdb (I think that's what it was called) but haven't found an impetus to. I'll probably check if there's a file based sync option next time I switch machines and decide then.
- wswope 6mo ago> They closed it (which is fine) but there is no offline migrate alternative. If it helps, you can copy the history table from one db to another in 3 simple lines of sqlite. I’ve done it myself a few times with zero fuss.
- ilvez 6mo agoIt's MIT licensed software, Noone will turn off lights. Community can take over or fork.
- duskdozer 6mo agoI was really pleased finding this last year, but I guess it's time to look for an alternative. I don't get why everything has to have AI shoved into it
- Bnjoroge 6mo agoIt’s optional- you can choose to opt in or not.
- ramon156 6mo agoIts also the Repo. There's a lot of AI-guided commits. I'm all for using AI in a reliable and safe environment, but letting Claude steer just leads to garbage
- Bnjoroge 6mo agoI’ve read and used some of the author’s software. I trust them to make good judgement of using AI.
- stingraycharles 6mo agoI took a look at the repo, but i didn’t see any garbage commits / evidence of sloppy vibe coding. Care to elaborate? Also, don’t you trust that an author knows what they’re doing with AI in the same way as trusting them with their regular code writing skills?
- quanwinn 6mo agoUsing AI to code doesn't automatically mean bad code. Although I suspect the majority of AI code will be subpar.
- TechSquidTV 6mo agoSo to be clear. You have no tangible complaints about the software or its quality, but you are dismissing it because of the potential for poor quality, because AI was assisting?
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- theusus 6mo agoAll I want is auto complete for the commands on Windows. And none provides
- imiric 6mo agoTake a look at clink[1]. Or use PowerShell. [1]: https://chrisant996.github.io/clink/ https://chrisant996.github.io/clink/
- theusus 6mo agoI do use powershell but it doesn’t provide auto complete for commands. I repeat I don’t want history. I want commands or args suggestions. Just like zsh auto complete
- Myzel394 6mo agoI'm still looking forward to being able to only remember a command for a specific time. I currently block sensitive commands, which completely destroys the ability to just press the up arrow key to quickly edit the command. If we had like a timeout of 1 minute for sensitive commands, we could edit them and still make sure they are not persistent
- BinaryMuse 6mo agoI really like this idea — might give an implementation a shot
- skulk 6mo agozsh doesn't add commands that start with a space to stored history. So you can up arrow recall them but once you exit the session they're gone.
- semiquaver 6mo agoI’m baffled by how bitter and angry the comments are. Atuin is one of my favorite everyday tools and this release sounds great!
- Myzel394 6mo agoatuin ai kinda reminds me of https://github.com/Myzel394/zsh-copilot https://github.com/Myzel394/zsh-copilot (yes, that's by me :P)
- anamexis 6mo agoAnd reminds me of my take: https://github.com/micahbf/halp https://github.com/micahbf/halp Excited to use atuin ai though, especially as it gets more features.
- breuleux 6mo agoAnd my take! A fork of fish where any command that starts with > or a capital letter is fed to $fish_llm_command: https://github.com/breuleux/fish-shell https://github.com/breuleux/fish-shell. With Claude's help, that took all of 30 minutes to make.
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- thehours 6mo agoThe PTY proxy looks pretty neat! Excited to give that a try. Losing some of the scrollback was a minor nuisance that I kind of lived with until now.
- ilvez 6mo agoI've always felt this fullscreen was too much for actual use. Eager to try it out.
- ilvez 6mo agoJust for random passers by: I was using: eval "$(atuin init zsh --disable-up-arrow)" Now need to workaround: eval "$(atuin hex init | sed 's/atuin init zsh/atuin init zsh --disable-up-arrow/')" Probably should create a issue in tracker to point out that this use-case is currently not supported :)
- thehours 6mo agoUpdate: I gave it a try and it does exactly what I hoped. However one (minor) annoyance I immediately realized was that with `hex` enabled I will get this warning whenever I close the terminal window: > The terminal still has a running process. If you close the terminal the process will be killed. Hopefully there is a workaround for this (I'm using then Ghostty emulator).
- jauntywundrkind 6mo agoRelease notes have PR #'s but they aren't links. Would be great to linkify, so folks can more easily dive into bits that catch their eye.
- DavideNL 6mo agoFor those wondering, it seems version 18.12.1 was the latest version without the AI feature... https://github.com/atuinsh/atuin/releases/tag/v18.12.1 https://github.com/atuinsh/atuin/releases/tag/v18.12.1 Personally I'll keep using this version for a while until i find something better.
- DavideNL 6mo agoNote that the database format of 18.13 is not compatible with 18.12.1, so if you already had 18.13 running you need to remove the data and reimport your shell history. brew remove atuin brew tap --force homebrew/core brew version-install atuin@18.12.1 brew untap homebrew/core I just reinstalled completely, by deleting the folder: ~/.local/share/atuin then run `atuin import`. Downgrade your atuin server to 18.12.1 and run the sync setup on your client(s): https://docs.atuin.sh/cli/guide/sync/ https://docs.atuin.sh/cli/guide/sync/
- ezst 6mo agoI never found a satisfying search algotithm with atuin (iterating over time between fuzzy, skim, fulltext, and maybe others). Is there one that is both: - case insensitive (e.g. inputting "make" matches ("make install", "vim Makefile") - works on partial matches (e.g. inputting "ma in" matches ("make install", "cd main") ?
- BinaryMuse 6mo agoThe new "daemon-fuzzy" mode uses a new fuzzy matcher powered by Nucleo and might be what you're looking for
- ezst 6mo agoit seems indeed better in some ways, but the scoring is still way off, for example, for my second criteria: > - works on partial matches (e.g. inputting "ma in" matches ("make install", "cd main") typing "ma in" I would expect "make install" to come before "cd main" to come before (what's currently the very first hit) "cd Binaries/Multimedia". I'm now reading about https://docs.atuin.sh/cli/configuration/config/?h=fuzzy+daemon#score-multipliers https://docs.atuin.sh/cli/configuration/config/?h=fuzzy+daem... while not managing to really get what would seem natural. Sigh.
- BinaryMuse 6mo agoI'd start with setting the combined frecency score to 0 and testing out how the raw fuzzy scoring does. Then if you find you're having trouble finding recent or frequent commands, you can adjust from there. If you can't find a configuration that feels good, please feel free let me know in an issue.