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My gut feeling is that it won't happen. It will antagonise not only Denmark, but the whole of Europe - govs & people - to a point where USA might find it's all
by Nux 9mo ago
My gut feeling is that it won't happen.
It will antagonise not only Denmark, but the whole of Europe - govs & people - to a point where USA might find it's all alone in the world.
That'll be the beginning of the end for the empire.
- gspr 9mo agoBut on the other hand, Trump's treatment of Europe so far – especially in his second term – would be entirely shocking to the sensibilities of any westerner anno 2015. I'm not so sure the US isn't already steaming willingly towards lonesomeness and antagonizing all of its former friends.
- mft_ 9mo agoYou’re right, but it’s like that kid at school who’s a bully and a d*ck but everyone tolerates and stays kinda friendly with because they’re a bit scared of him, and his parents have the best house for parties. The US can probably go a lot further than they currently have, before a meaningful coalition of meaningful countries will do anything significant —even just economically or diplomatically— against them in return.
- embedding-shape 9mo agoUp until yesterday most of us felt the same about "Going into Venezuela and kidnap the president of a sovereign nation" but here we are. Sure, it was also not out of nowhere, but I don't think anyone thought Trump needed such an abrasive distraction from the internal conflicts in the nation. > to a point where USA might find it's all alone in the world. I think the US might be misleading itself if it doesn't realize that it already is. We still care for the people, but the government of the US has truly shown that it cannot be an ally today, and the rest of the world already realize this, seems the US is the last to understand it.
- riffraff 9mo agoI don't mean to downplay how terrible the current US administration is, but removing political leaders in Latin America has been a USA tradition and nobody really considers it odd. The US invading an allied country hasn't happened often.
- pojzon 9mo agoUS has pulled out soldiers from EU grounds. EU restarted domestic production of millitary equipment. Germany is making military draft mandatory again. Noone believes US will help like they did before (we know it was a two way deal but still..) The moment US left EU to Russia they are now all alone. NATO is just a name now.
- tim333 9mo agoThere are still ~80000 US troops in Europe. NATO is blemished but still there.
- Bridged7756 9mo agoTruly this attack on foreign soil is something without precedents for the USA. What's next, destabilize entire regions? Cause wars? Fund terrorists? Military occupation? No matter what, let's not forget Ukraine is being attacked by evil Russia.
- dataflow 9mo ago> Truly this attack on foreign soil is something without precedents for the USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Pana...
- christophilus 9mo ago> Without precedent Other than probably hundreds of similar scenarios over the past 250 years or so, sure.
- croes 9mo agoYou missed parent’s sarcasm
- christophilus 9mo agoOh. Yep. I’m just so used to HN seriously thinking Trump is some new kind of evil unleashed on the world— as opposed to just more of the same thing, wrapped up in a tackier and cruder wrapper— that I only read the first sentence and replied. That’s me being a bad HN denizen for the day.
- rascul 9mo ago> Truly this attack on foreign soil is something without precedents for the USA. What's next, destabilize entire regions? Cause wars? Fund terrorists? Military occupation? All those things have lots of precedent for the USA.
- croes 9mo agoSarcasm
- SanjayMehta 9mo agoTrump has nothing to lose. He's almost 80, doesn't care for Europe or NATO, and is clearly desperate to be remembered for something significant. Kidnapping Maduro doesn't really ensure his name in the history books. But if he annexes Greenland and/or Canada, then he's the next Jefferson or Jackson. He might even rename Greenland+Canada to Trumpland.
- drivingmenuts 9mo agoI can't think of a realistic, non-cynical reason that doesn't begin and end with "oil" for even looking funny at Venezuela. The whole "drugs 'r bad" thing doesn't wash.
- SanjayMehta 9mo agoOther countries are run by an oligarchy, the US is run by an oilygarchy.
- lostmsu 9mo agoI'm guessing you don't consider drugs to be on the top 3 issues in the US.
- rascul 9mo agoSo few drugs come to the USA from Venezuela that if there's a list of issues, this is near the bottom in importance.
- tim333 9mo agoThere are a couple of things I can think of. There's the human rights stuff with torture chambers and a third of the population leaving which doesn't seem to bother Trump but the Venezuelans don't much like. There's also Maduro's dancing which seems to have been a thing oddly enough https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360920843/maduros-dancing-may-have-been-last-straw-trumps-team https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360920843/maduros-dancing...
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- verzali 9mo agoThe beginning is already here, I think. At least things are very much not the same as they were a year ago.
- thrance 9mo agoYou're thinking about it from a sane POV, but the people at the helm are insane. The only question is: would invading Greenland please Trump, yes or no?
- JohnFen 9mo agoExcept that our transformation into "the bad guys" is already complete. We no longer have the trust or respect of most of the world. The "end of the empire" is already well under way.
- tim333 9mo agoI don't think the US are the bad guys yet. More kind of random at the moment.
- watwut 9mo agoExcept that USA is already antagonizing Europe and literally talks about splitting it up, so that they can bully individual nations better.