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all of that and they basically just got lucky. the guy walked to brown from his car parked nearby and shot up some kids, waited days, went to a guy's house in M

all of that and they basically just got lucky. the guy walked to brown from his car parked nearby and shot up some kids, waited days, went to a guy's house in Massachusetts, killed him and never even got caught - he committed suicide and was only found days after his second killing if anything this whole saga makes me happy smart people aren't killers more often because this guy basically got away...

dustincoates 9mo ago
Being smart doesn't guarantee you'll get away with murder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb
- c22 9mo ago
  Actually being smart guarantees you won't have to.
- pixl97 9mo ago
  Na, if you're smart you just start a company and have it kill people via industrial accident, then it's just a fine.
- card_zero 9mo ago
  Sometimes criminology students kill people, apparently as research: Bryan Kohberger, Nasen Saadi.
nervousvarun 9mo ago
I keep seeing this sort of sentiment everywhere and I'm trying to understand it. The same thing happened after Charlie Kirk was killed and the arrest there hinged on a confession by the killer to his dad. A lot of commentary then that the police/FBI got lucky. Ditto Mangione. They got lucky he was found in a random McDonalds. What exactly is the expectation here? Is there some sort of wide-spread belief that the world works like an episode of Law and Order and every crime is instantly solved by rolling up your sleeves and doing good old fashioned detective work? Would assume for the majority of planned murder to be resolved as quickly as these highly publicized cases have been (the Kirk deal took about 2 days also) there's going to have to be an element of luck. Piecing together digital/forensic evidence is going to require time and effort. If it's not an obvious connection (domestic violence etc.) and there's no direct witnesses it seems logical you only have a few outcomes: A) Going to be solved due to a lucky break B) Going to be solved after a ton of time/interviews/piecing together forensic evidence C) Not be solved. Also he only "got away" because he killed himself. They likely would have caught him fairly soon after this because they had his identity from the car tags. I guess the point is though luck is all you have if it's solved this quickly because it's so random.
- agoodusername63 9mo ago
  I believe the theory that Mangione even wanted to be caught and arrested because he didn't see a viable life for himself anymore with his spinal problems and medical bills. Who social engineers their way into getting a CEO's itinerary and then keeps a manifesto on their person well after the crime Now he doesn't have to worry about paying for that. Or getting reasonable treatment but hey,
  - firesteelrain 9mo ago
    He became radicalized over time and even wrote that his pain was improved. Somewhere along the way he read something or got it into his head that he had to murder the United Healthcare CEO where he never was a customer. It was just one if not the largest healthcare insurance company.
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  - SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
    I can’t speak to his thinking, but being caught with the gun used, and a confession letter… Tells me he knew he was going to be caught and is angling for a hung jury.
  - _vqpz 9mo ago
    It's a fun theory that everyone likes to support but it falls apart when you read his Reddit account and realize he had insurance that paid for spinal fusion surgery and claimed to have no pain afterwards without the assistance of medication. That's probably also why he doesn't appear in any pain in his appearances since the incident, not because the NY DOC (infamous for their terrible healthcare) magically got him surgery instantly.
- websiteapi 9mo ago
  I disagree that his catching was inevitable. They only knew an identity yesterday. If the suspect wasn’t a coward it’s plausible they could’ve just driven away to literally any other part of the United States and then flew back to Portugal. I have no comment on the Kirk case. As for the expectation, other than if civil liberties are going to be violated in the name of safety I expect much faster results, and I’m sure the MIT professors family would agree.
bagels 9mo ago
But they found him? If he was alive, he probably would have been caught eventually, no?
- websiteapi 9mo ago
  I mean I guess all criminals die or are caught, yes.
- SoftTalker 9mo ago
  Maybe. The average homicide clearance rate in the US is only around 60%. But that includes a lot of killings where nobody really cares about anyone involved. This was a much higher profile crime so it would get a lot more attention. But there are high profile cases that get a lot of (at least local) attention that don't ever get solved either.
  - seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
    It is really difficult to ascertain motive and suspects when it’s a chronic homeless case getting murdered. It could be a thing from drugs to just looking at a crazy guy wrong one night, you literally have no leads unless there is a video or some other piece of hard evidence. It isn’t really about caring, judt that the environment they live in is so chaotic and uncontrolled that you’d have a suspect pool that is too big to reasonably investigate.
  - bagels 9mo ago
    Sorry, to make my point more clear: They knew the identity of the killer, and this is part of how they found his dead body. If he hadn't killed himself, they would have found him regardless, since they knew who he was, and knew the license plate of the car he was driving.
WillPostForFood 9mo ago
"this guy basically got away" Titanic basically sailed safely across the Atlantic, except for a bit of bad luck.
- WalterBright 9mo ago
  The Titanic disaster was a confluence of many instances of bad luck. Including the idea that if the lookout had noticed the berg a few seconds later, it wouldn't have sunk. (Because then it would have hit the berg head on, crushing the front, but not ripping most of the side open.)
tayo42 9mo ago
50% of murders are unsolved

dustincoates 9mo ago

Being smart doesn't guarantee you'll get away with murder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb

c22 9mo ago
Actually being smart guarantees you won't have to.
pixl97 9mo ago
Na, if you're smart you just start a company and have it kill people via industrial accident, then it's just a fine.
card_zero 9mo ago
Sometimes criminology students kill people, apparently as research: Bryan Kohberger, Nasen Saadi.

nervousvarun 9mo ago

I keep seeing this sort of sentiment everywhere and I'm trying to understand it. The same thing happened after Charlie Kirk was killed and the arrest there hinged on a confession by the killer to his dad. A lot of commentary then that the police/FBI got lucky. Ditto Mangione. They got lucky he was found in a random McDonalds. What exactly is the expectation here? Is there some sort of wide-spread belief that the world works like an episode of Law and Order and every crime is instantly solved by rolling up your sleeves and doing good old fashioned detective work? Would assume for the majority of planned murder to be resolved as quickly as these highly publicized cases have been (the Kirk deal took about 2 days also) there's going to have to be an element of luck. Piecing together digital/forensic evidence is going to require time and effort. If it's not an obvious connection (domestic violence etc.) and there's no direct witnesses it seems logical you only have a few outcomes: A) Going to be solved due to a lucky break B) Going to be solved after a ton of time/interviews/piecing together forensic evidence C) Not be solved. Also he only "got away" because he killed himself. They likely would have caught him fairly soon after this because they had his identity from the car tags. I guess the point is though luck is all you have if it's solved this quickly because it's so random.

agoodusername63 9mo ago
I believe the theory that Mangione even wanted to be caught and arrested because he didn't see a viable life for himself anymore with his spinal problems and medical bills. Who social engineers their way into getting a CEO's itinerary and then keeps a manifesto on their person well after the crime Now he doesn't have to worry about paying for that. Or getting reasonable treatment but hey,
- firesteelrain 9mo ago
  He became radicalized over time and even wrote that his pain was improved. Somewhere along the way he read something or got it into his head that he had to murder the United Healthcare CEO where he never was a customer. It was just one if not the largest healthcare insurance company.
  - deleted 9mo ago
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- SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
  I can’t speak to his thinking, but being caught with the gun used, and a confession letter… Tells me he knew he was going to be caught and is angling for a hung jury.
- _vqpz 9mo ago
  It's a fun theory that everyone likes to support but it falls apart when you read his Reddit account and realize he had insurance that paid for spinal fusion surgery and claimed to have no pain afterwards without the assistance of medication. That's probably also why he doesn't appear in any pain in his appearances since the incident, not because the NY DOC (infamous for their terrible healthcare) magically got him surgery instantly.
websiteapi 9mo ago
I disagree that his catching was inevitable. They only knew an identity yesterday. If the suspect wasn’t a coward it’s plausible they could’ve just driven away to literally any other part of the United States and then flew back to Portugal. I have no comment on the Kirk case. As for the expectation, other than if civil liberties are going to be violated in the name of safety I expect much faster results, and I’m sure the MIT professors family would agree.

bagels 9mo ago

But they found him? If he was alive, he probably would have been caught eventually, no?

websiteapi 9mo ago
I mean I guess all criminals die or are caught, yes.
SoftTalker 9mo ago
Maybe. The average homicide clearance rate in the US is only around 60%. But that includes a lot of killings where nobody really cares about anyone involved. This was a much higher profile crime so it would get a lot more attention. But there are high profile cases that get a lot of (at least local) attention that don't ever get solved either.
- seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
  It is really difficult to ascertain motive and suspects when it’s a chronic homeless case getting murdered. It could be a thing from drugs to just looking at a crazy guy wrong one night, you literally have no leads unless there is a video or some other piece of hard evidence. It isn’t really about caring, judt that the environment they live in is so chaotic and uncontrolled that you’d have a suspect pool that is too big to reasonably investigate.
- bagels 9mo ago
  Sorry, to make my point more clear: They knew the identity of the killer, and this is part of how they found his dead body. If he hadn't killed himself, they would have found him regardless, since they knew who he was, and knew the license plate of the car he was driving.

WillPostForFood 9mo ago

"this guy basically got away" Titanic basically sailed safely across the Atlantic, except for a bit of bad luck.

WalterBright 9mo ago
The Titanic disaster was a confluence of many instances of bad luck. Including the idea that if the lookout had noticed the berg a few seconds later, it wouldn't have sunk. (Because then it would have hit the berg head on, crushing the front, but not ripping most of the side open.)

tayo42 9mo ago

50% of murders are unsolved