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> Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. They put copilot in notepad. NOTEPAD.
by luke727 10mo ago
> Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere.
They put copilot in notepad. NOTEPAD.
- dimensional_dan 10mo agoMaybe it can finally get the new lines correct for a given application? ;-)
- userbinator 10mo agoA choice of line endings was one of the few good things they did to Notepad, but that was in the Windows 10 era.
- RestartKernel 10mo agoI remember it being pretty nice to explicitly choose encoding too.
- torginus 10mo agoThis is the funniest thing, considering it lacks 90% of the features included freeware text editors written in some student's spare time back in the 90s. It's basically a fancy textbox. Microsoft's own people can't use the toolkits they write, as evidenced by the React component in the start menu(!)
- pjmlp 10mo agoThey can, the problem is that apparently they aren't able to hire people nowadays with Win32 development experience, so they get interns that have grown in US universities with macOS and Linux, which sundenly have a Win32 developer role. That is how you end up with web garbage in what was supposed to be native code, or .NET. I think this is also a reason why WinUI efforts went down the drain.
- int_19h 10mo agoThey laid off a lot of people with Win32 experience in the past couple of years. If that was really a problem they could just hire some of them back (or, I dunno, keep them in the first place).
- dansmith1919 10mo agoKeep them?? But how else would you keep devs working hard if there are no mass layoffs to be afraid of all the time??
- the_other 10mo agoGet them working on interesting projects building things customers/users/peers will value.
- estimator7292 10mo agoWhat are you, some kinda communist?
- hat_monger 10mo ago> building things customers/users/peers will value. AI. Customers want AI, users want AI, peers want AI. If anyone says otherwise, they’re a Luddite and possibly a dangerous political radical.
- int_19h 10mo agoI'm no longer at MSFT, but according to the people that are, the leadership is straight up saying that anyone who doesn't like AI coding has no place in the company now.
- pjmlp 10mo agoUnfortunely, they are making people like myself, that in general tend to have comments more pro-Windows, starting to consider the alternatives yet again. Even .NET and C++ tooling getting spoiled with AI no matter what, see latest set of DevBlog announcements.
- rightbyte 10mo ago> It's basically a fancy textbox. That was the lure. But the real Notepad has been decommissioned and there is some bloated one now.
- exe34 10mo agoIs notepad++ still a thing? I only use Windows as a dumb terminal now.
- serf 10mo agoyeah, and it's still one of things in Windows that is a pleasure to use when you need it.
- wolvesechoes 10mo agoIf it comes down to FOSS/freeware stuff I am actually quite fond of Windows ecosystem. Foobar2k, Paint.NET, Notepad++, IrfanView, WizTree, Ditto, TotalCommander, NAPS2 etc. Linux has many options for any of those, but I always had a feeling that those options have less polish, or are less stable, or their UI is an afterthought etc. On Windows you have basically a single option for each application that most people go for, so documentation and online help is plentiful.
- kakacik 10mo ago> Foobar2k, Notepad++, IrfanView, TotalCommander Without those, especially last one my productivity at my corporate work would be half at most. Editing a file in an archive within another archive directly, doing quick file comparisons of 2 files, syncing different dirs, fulltext recursive search... all with much better UI than Unix console counterparts (which I use too). And much more. Simply the best tools on the whole market for me in given category, period.
- wolvesechoes 10mo agoI forgot about 7zip as well. There is something magical about those specialized, no nonsense tools using WINAPI, not chasing cross-platform, and maintained for decades, some of them since 90s. Snappiness, intuitiveness, stability, discoverability etc.
- aarond0623 10mo agoIt's not even a competent textbox. Try to scan barcodes into it for example, or use it with Autohotkey. It has some sort of buffering issue and lags horribly whenever characters are input faster than a human.
- M95D 10mo agoThat's not Notepad. They may call it Notepad, but it isn't.
- coqadoodle 10mo agoThey call Wordpad write.exe!
- netsharc 10mo agoNotePilot 365...
- Zardoz84 10mo agoI found that the other day, in a co-worker computer ...
- Springtime 10mo agoAnd this W11 version of Notepad takes longer to open than Sublime Text and about equal to Firefox. On NVMe. It used to be instant, which is something you really notice the difference with when it changes.
- Neil44 10mo agoThe only reason I use Notepad is that it opens instantly. A fancy think with loads of features that's slow to open should be a new product.
- prirai 10mo agoNotepad--
- hotsauceror 10mo agoThis made me spit out my coffee, thanks.
- bondarchuk 10mo agoThat was WordPad, right? Except it also loaded instantly, probably.
- Neil44 10mo agoWordpad was good for some stuff, I forget what, iirc it loaded in 0.1 seconds vs 0.01 for notepad.exe
- toyg 10mo ago> Wordpad was good for some stuff, I forget what It was a proper WYSIWYG editor working with rich text, effectively a poor man's Word. Microsoft should have turned it into a markdown editor, instead of killing it.
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- NetOpWibby 10mo agoWTF!! JFC CotEditor on Mac is the closest to Notepad I’ve felt in years. Gotta wonder what the end game at Microsoft is.
- yetihehe 10mo agoThis is endgame. They are at the stage when everything in game is already done and they are lazingly trying to do some sidequests, like stacking the most cheese you can in a room.
- gavinward 10mo agoThe endgame is getting corporate customers hooked on cloud-hosted subscription-model everything, then jacking the prices up.
- ChicagoDave 10mo agoNotepad++ is always a default install on any new Windows PC. Who on earth uses Notepad?
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo agoSo its gonna sound weird, but some companies really have strict policies and notepad there is ok, but notepad++ isn't. Usually, there is some way to get exceptions, but those tend to require more effort than it is usually worth it. I guess what I am saying it: it is not always by choice:D
- haspok 10mo agoI've worked for banks in the past (actually, working for one right now), and they always had Notepad++ available - at least for me, as a developer. There are no licensing issues, no fees to pay, no support to pay. It really is free, even in a commercial environment.
- Delk 10mo agoLots of organizations have a blanket ban on any third-party software that wasn't specifically approved by IT. Being free might help it get cleared but that's nowhere sufficient. Since Notepad comes with Windows, it's probably always there and never banned. (Although of course the cloud-based LLM integration might actually be a problem.) With that said, I think I've also had NotePad++ made available by IT at all employers and clients that had me use Windows even when the desktop setup was otherwise quite restricted. It's a rather established tool after all and probably considered a safe and reputable bet even by somewhat conservative IT leadership.
- ndsipa_pomu 10mo agoIf it's a windows-based server, there's probably little need to do much text editing, so installing Notepad++ wouldn't be needed or desired. Then, you suddenly need to copy/paste/amend some text, so you end up opening Notepad. My use of it is typically if I'm connecting remotely to the Windows desktop and am not sure if the keymap is correct when typing in a password, so I type it into Notepad to make sure I'm putting in what I think I'm typing.
- sixtyj 10mo agoWhat is Copilot good for in Notepad? :) It is like a carpet raid. Bomb everything with Copilot agent… It is funny but it is not.
- alentred 10mo agoI bet it was the MVP. LOL
- bux93 10mo agoThey put a copilot button in Outlook. Which, when ask, gladly confesses it doesn't have access to your mail or calendar, completely negating any value it could possibly have.
- eurekin 10mo agoMy personal headcannon is, that it's mostly for telemetrics and KPI scamming, so stakeholders can reap the bonus based on engagement metrics
- steve1977 10mo agoJust Microsoft doing Microsoft things. Cue the James Franco First Time? meme...
- gavinward 10mo agoThe same with the AI thing Meta added to Whatsapp. After spending a while trying to search for a message whose exact wording I couldn't remember, but whose content was easily described, I thought I'd give the bot a try. Turns out it doesn't have access to my messages. I expect MS will get there long before Meta does given they don't have the encryption issue to contend with.
- dspillett 10mo ago> They put copilot in notepad. NOTEPAD. Every time I see a new CoPilot button, or a toast nagging me because I've not clicked any of them and they think I really should want to, a phrase crosses my mind… “Thank you the marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation”
- wtallis 10mo agoDon't play along by calling it "toast". It's a pop-up that's been re-branded to avoid the stigma of the old name, exactly like what companies do to themselves after causing a disaster like an oil spill.
- dspillett 10mo agoYou are conflating two similar but different UI elements. A popup is a larger object, often a full window, that covers large parts of other elements or sometimes the entire screen. They are sometimes modal. A toast is a smaller element, appearing (often by sliding into view upwards, hence the cutesy name) in or above a specific notification area of the application or the overall OS. These are much smaller, seldom modal and often convey useful notifications or warnings, unlike popups (especially modal ones) that are often either useless or actively, deliberately, in the way. While it is correct to call then both popups if you wish, "toasts" are generally considered a specific subset.
- 1718627440 10mo agoTo me the first would be called a modal window or a message box, while the latter is what I would call a popup. I guess different exposure with different UI kits.
- tavavex 10mo ago> “Thank you the marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation” I pasted this into Google to see what you were referencing, and was met with this full-screen, front page, all-important "AI Overview" (that of course takes precedence over actual search results) > You're very welcome! If you have any questions about the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation's products, their marketing strategies, or need assistance with anything else, feel free to ask. Full circle.
- Krssst 10mo agoFor reference: you can get the regular notepad back by just uninstalling Notepad from the control panel (the new one, with big buttons and less features). Since it's possible using the regular UI without particular shenanigans, I assume this is fully supported.