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Of course, deflect discussion to Trump. Does that make any of those other people look better to you? Trump gave information against Epstein in 2009 and unlike

Of course, deflect discussion to Trump. Does that make any of those other people look better to you? Trump gave information against Epstein in 2009 and unlike Bill and others did cut ties after learning he was poaching girls from Mar-a-Lago. I specifically made the point to look into those who were friends with Epstein even after knowing what he was doing. Nice whataboutism though. Feel free to reference source materials to support your claims. Btw are you a bot or is that just a canned statement you use?

sanktanglia 10mo ago
Trump was with Epstein in 2017, he didn't cut ties at all
- theultdev 10mo ago
  That's a lie that has already been proven false since Trump's entire trip was documented. Love how we have actual evidence against people but discussions always devolve into some conspiracy related to Trump. ---- Based on the available evidence, there is no confirmed meeting between Trump and Epstein in 2017. While both men were in Palm Beach during Thanksgiving week 2017, there is no direct evidence they met. Here's what we know about their presence in Palm Beach that week: - Trump was at Mar-a-Lago from November 21-26, 2017 - Epstein owned a mansion in Palm Beach and was known to be in the area - Epstein mentioned both Trump and himself being "down there" (Palm Beach) in an email exchange on November 23, 2017 While there were claims circulating online that Trump spent Thanksgiving with Epstein in 2017, these claims have been thoroughly investigated and found to be unsubstantiated Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included: - Thanking military members on a virtual call - Visiting Coast Guard members at Lake Worth Inlet Station - Playing golf with Tiger Woods and Dustin Johnson
  - culi 10mo ago
    Even if Trump cut off ties with Epstein in 2017, he should clearly be held accountable for his past actions. Here's 2 pretty damning emails: --- Epstein to Maxwell 2011-04-02 > i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump... [VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75% there --- Epstein to Ruemmler 2018-08-23 > you see, i know how dirty donald is. my guess is that non lawyers ny biz people have no idea. what it means to have your fixer flip
    - theultdev 10mo ago
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      - pohl 10mo ago
        Could you explain how “no confirmed meeting” implies “they never met”?
        theultdev 10mo ago
        You think he snuck out from secret service and had an off-the-book thanksgiving with a pedo? I'm saying there's no direct evidence he did and on face value it's ridiculous. He was meeting the troops and golfing with Tiger Woods and happened to be in the same state Epstein had a house in. Have any evidence otherwise, or just conspiracy theories?
        pohl 10mo ago
        With any other administration I would have granted you that leap in logic, but we already learned, three years ago, from Stephanie Grisham that he held off the books meetings specifically to circumvent record keeping laws. So I think a slightly higher standard of evidence is needed before we dismiss the possibility that he met with the pedo who likely had dirt on him.
        theultdev 10mo ago
        You have the standard of evidence reversed. You need to prove what you're accusing him of, not the other way around.
        pohl 10mo ago
        Sounds like you’re assuming that standards for charges/trial should also be used as standards for inquiry/investigation. That is not the case.
  - phatfish 10mo ago
    Thanks ChatGPT.
    - theultdev 10mo ago
      This entire thread is about AI generated content from emails. But we are human, so we can verify sources collected by AI. Care to dispute anything?
  - protocolture 10mo ago
    >Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included: Damn, Trump would have 100% listed his sex crimes on his official calendar. Case closed.
    - theultdev 10mo ago
      Yeah it's most likely he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo while president. /s No reason to talk about anyone who actually corresponded with Epstein I guess.
      - throwaway290 10mo ago
        > he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo we don't know he didn't... at best we can know what he did in daylight when journos were around. the rest we can find only if SS is subpoenaed
      - protocolture 10mo ago
        Plenty of reason. Nab everyone. But deflecting criticism from the pedo in chief is a weird look.
timeon 10mo ago
> Trump gave information against Epstein in 2009 Pre-2009 records on Trump there are nasty. One example: > ... It was at these series of parties that I personally witnessed the Plaintiff being forced to perform various sexual acts with Donald J. Trump and Mr. Epstein. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were advised that she was 13 years old. I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop. Only difference between Clinton and Trump is that Trump is still president.
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toyg 10mo ago
Clinton at least has not been in office for 25 years. Trump is still in office. Surely the priority should be to get the bad people out of institutions asap...?
hiccuphippo 10mo ago
Well for one those other people are not the current president of the most powerful country in the world. But sure, lock all of them up, just don't ignore a few because they are too powerful.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  It’s been wild to see people subsume not defending child rapists to their partisan identity. I’m still convinced it’s a minority of loud voices online and on social media.
  - rayiner 10mo ago
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    - ben_w 10mo ago
      You're proving the point here. You don't need to trust the media or care about his views on immigration to know that the guy got 34 felony convictions (for attempting to cover up mere infidelity with a porn star), that he's lost a lawsuit regarding sexual assault claims, and that sexual assault claims against him go back to the 70s and involving at least 28 women and him walking in on naked teenage pageant contestants. Then there's the non-sexual stuff. If you want to say it's "shady" being twice impeached, or hanging his own arrest photo next to the oval office, or the huge number of business lawsuits, or the way he's now able to sue himself and win, or that he's now pardoning convicted co-conspirators etc., that's on you: as the quote goes, democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. The possibility of pee tapes was funny, but did anyone really care if golden shower was a liquid reference or a "24 carat (plated)" like his redecoration of the oval office?
      - rayiner 10mo ago
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crystal_revenge 10mo ago
What I don't understand is the pretense of defending Trump at all. I mean, it's clear that even if you watched Trump assault a 13 year old with your own eyes, it wouldn't impact your support for him. Why pretend that there is some moral divide between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump in this when you can just say "I support Donald Trump no matter what, and despite Bill Clinton no matter what"? Personally I've never been shocked that some of the most powerful people in the world like to go to a private sex-island where they could do as they pleased. That's precisely the incentive to becoming so incredibly powerful in the first place: to be able to pursue personal gain with increasingly less consequences.
- rayiner 10mo ago
  > What I don't understand is the pretense of defending Trump at all. Because every story eventually collapses into a fraction of the original allegation: https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-giuffre-trump-jeffrey-epstein/story?id=127468657 https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-giuffre-trump-jeffrey-eps...
protocolture 10mo ago
>Of course, deflect discussion to Trump Interesting attempted deflection away from Trump.

sanktanglia 10mo ago

Trump was with Epstein in 2017, he didn't cut ties at all

theultdev 10mo ago
That's a lie that has already been proven false since Trump's entire trip was documented. Love how we have actual evidence against people but discussions always devolve into some conspiracy related to Trump. ---- Based on the available evidence, there is no confirmed meeting between Trump and Epstein in 2017. While both men were in Palm Beach during Thanksgiving week 2017, there is no direct evidence they met. Here's what we know about their presence in Palm Beach that week: - Trump was at Mar-a-Lago from November 21-26, 2017 - Epstein owned a mansion in Palm Beach and was known to be in the area - Epstein mentioned both Trump and himself being "down there" (Palm Beach) in an email exchange on November 23, 2017 While there were claims circulating online that Trump spent Thanksgiving with Epstein in 2017, these claims have been thoroughly investigated and found to be unsubstantiated Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included: - Thanking military members on a virtual call - Visiting Coast Guard members at Lake Worth Inlet Station - Playing golf with Tiger Woods and Dustin Johnson
- culi 10mo ago
  Even if Trump cut off ties with Epstein in 2017, he should clearly be held accountable for his past actions. Here's 2 pretty damning emails: --- Epstein to Maxwell 2011-04-02 > i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump... [VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75% there --- Epstein to Ruemmler 2018-08-23 > you see, i know how dirty donald is. my guess is that non lawyers ny biz people have no idea. what it means to have your fixer flip
  - theultdev 10mo ago
    [flagged]
    - pohl 10mo ago
      Could you explain how “no confirmed meeting” implies “they never met”?
      - theultdev 10mo ago
        You think he snuck out from secret service and had an off-the-book thanksgiving with a pedo? I'm saying there's no direct evidence he did and on face value it's ridiculous. He was meeting the troops and golfing with Tiger Woods and happened to be in the same state Epstein had a house in. Have any evidence otherwise, or just conspiracy theories?
        pohl 10mo ago
        With any other administration I would have granted you that leap in logic, but we already learned, three years ago, from Stephanie Grisham that he held off the books meetings specifically to circumvent record keeping laws. So I think a slightly higher standard of evidence is needed before we dismiss the possibility that he met with the pedo who likely had dirt on him.
        theultdev 10mo ago
        You have the standard of evidence reversed. You need to prove what you're accusing him of, not the other way around.
        pohl 10mo ago
        Sounds like you’re assuming that standards for charges/trial should also be used as standards for inquiry/investigation. That is not the case.
- phatfish 10mo ago
  Thanks ChatGPT.
  - theultdev 10mo ago
    This entire thread is about AI generated content from emails. But we are human, so we can verify sources collected by AI. Care to dispute anything?
- protocolture 10mo ago
  >Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included: Damn, Trump would have 100% listed his sex crimes on his official calendar. Case closed.
  - theultdev 10mo ago
    Yeah it's most likely he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo while president. /s No reason to talk about anyone who actually corresponded with Epstein I guess.
    - throwaway290 10mo ago
      > he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo we don't know he didn't... at best we can know what he did in daylight when journos were around. the rest we can find only if SS is subpoenaed
    - protocolture 10mo ago
      Plenty of reason. Nab everyone. But deflecting criticism from the pedo in chief is a weird look.

timeon 10mo ago

> Trump gave information against Epstein in 2009 Pre-2009 records on Trump there are nasty. One example: > ... It was at these series of parties that I personally witnessed the Plaintiff being forced to perform various sexual acts with Donald J. Trump and Mr. Epstein. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were advised that she was 13 years old. I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop. Only difference between Clinton and Trump is that Trump is still president.

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toyg 10mo ago

Clinton at least has not been in office for 25 years. Trump is still in office. Surely the priority should be to get the bad people out of institutions asap...?

hiccuphippo 10mo ago

Well for one those other people are not the current president of the most powerful country in the world. But sure, lock all of them up, just don't ignore a few because they are too powerful.

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
It’s been wild to see people subsume not defending child rapists to their partisan identity. I’m still convinced it’s a minority of loud voices online and on social media.
- rayiner 10mo ago
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  - ben_w 10mo ago
    You're proving the point here. You don't need to trust the media or care about his views on immigration to know that the guy got 34 felony convictions (for attempting to cover up mere infidelity with a porn star), that he's lost a lawsuit regarding sexual assault claims, and that sexual assault claims against him go back to the 70s and involving at least 28 women and him walking in on naked teenage pageant contestants. Then there's the non-sexual stuff. If you want to say it's "shady" being twice impeached, or hanging his own arrest photo next to the oval office, or the huge number of business lawsuits, or the way he's now able to sue himself and win, or that he's now pardoning convicted co-conspirators etc., that's on you: as the quote goes, democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. The possibility of pee tapes was funny, but did anyone really care if golden shower was a liquid reference or a "24 carat (plated)" like his redecoration of the oval office?
    - rayiner 10mo ago
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crystal_revenge 10mo ago

What I don't understand is the pretense of defending Trump at all. I mean, it's clear that even if you watched Trump assault a 13 year old with your own eyes, it wouldn't impact your support for him. Why pretend that there is some moral divide between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump in this when you can just say "I support Donald Trump no matter what, and despite Bill Clinton no matter what"? Personally I've never been shocked that some of the most powerful people in the world like to go to a private sex-island where they could do as they pleased. That's precisely the incentive to becoming so incredibly powerful in the first place: to be able to pursue personal gain with increasingly less consequences.

rayiner 10mo ago
> What I don't understand is the pretense of defending Trump at all. Because every story eventually collapses into a fraction of the original allegation: https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-giuffre-trump-jeffrey-epstein/story?id=127468657 https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-giuffre-trump-jeffrey-eps...

protocolture 10mo ago

>Of course, deflect discussion to Trump Interesting attempted deflection away from Trump.