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RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

179 points by bartekpacia 1y ago

futurecat 1y ago
great stuff. RubyMine has a great implementation of RBS.
lagniappe 1y ago
>Free for non commercial use I like to recreationally overthink sometimes: Most of us code in hopes that the thing we make is cool and useful, and it's a good thing if the thing we make catches on and becomes popular. Some might even say if they could make a living off their creation, they'd love that. Given that this site is what it is, -most- of us have financial ambitions, with code as the means to an end to get us that money. Back to the free for non commercial use stipulation, I'm just wondering how practical is this model? Is it expected that people do periodic reviews of the success of their projects and make some sort of subjective judgement when they should pay for a license? Is there room for some other business model to more viably compete with vscode and vscode-forks that are free, while still creating paychecks for JetBrains?
- thrtythreeforty 1y ago
  I treat the spirit of these licenses as: "if you have reasonable expectation of making money from your use of it, please buy a license. Otherwise, we appreciate the mindshare." Practically speaking, the license is probably much closer to "if you are making prodigious amounts of money, and you are using our software, then you had better buy a license to avoid a legal situation."
  - jbverschoor 1y ago
    So any VC funded startup should use for free in your opinion?
  - andrewl 1y ago
    And if I were making prodigious amounts of money I'd be happy to go back and pay JetBrains the $274.8 a year that RubyMine costs per person for a company license. Aside being the decent thing to do, I'd like to contribute to JetBrains so they continue updating a tool that helped me build my company.
rghose 1y ago
Just another indication that ruby is dead?
- joshmn 1y ago
  I am not sure how this contributes to the unfounded idea that ruby is dead—Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub amongst many others would like a word. RubyMine isn’t the editor of choice for many of my fellow rubyists, but it is for me—IntelliJ’s LSP alone is a godsend when you’re diving deep into debugging weird gems. I have tried ruby-lsp from Shopify and it gets 95% there but that last 5% is what makes me hyper-productive. Most of the community is on VS Code. We did have a weird, loud Danish guy using TextMate until recently, but I guess he switched to neovim. Having said, RubyMine was very popular when ruby was on HN as much as AI is today. It hasn’t kept up, just like Sublime has been largely replaced by VS Code.
  - lagniappe 1y ago
    >Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub Outliers do not dictate the mean.
  - IshKebab 1y ago
    > Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub Yeah I mean Facebook, Wordpress, Wikipedia... but are you going to start a new project in PHP today? I bet all of them wish they weren't using Ruby. (Well probably not because they'll attract devs that love Ruby, but you get the point...) Anyway in terms of concrete numbers the best thing I've found is to look at Github PRs/projects/stars. This site is really cool: https://madnight.github.io/githut/ https://madnight.github.io/githut/ Ruby was quite popular at the start of the chart in 2014 when it was more popular than Java! But gradually waned until about 2020 where it seems to have stabilised at "not very popular", just behind PHP. Go and Typescript seem to have taken its place, which makes sense because they're both much better languages.
    - fredoliveira 1y ago
      > I bet all of them wish they weren't using Ruby. I'd take that bet. At scale, (and those 3 are the definition of scale) you can mitigate some of the downsides of Ruby (i.e. speed), but you can't recreate the upsides (i.e. developer satisfaction, learning curve, flexibility) elsewhere. > Go and Typescript seem to have taken its place, which makes sense because they're both much better languages. Again: depends on the metrics you're considering. I would certainly consider Go much better than ruby on some metrics, but most definitely not all - and importantly, if I put all of it on a scale (and this is where bias comes in), I still give the edge to Ruby over both of those.
khaledh 1y ago
I'd like to see a comparison of IDE market share over the past decade or so. My assumption is that VS Code has gained market share exponentially, eating at both Visual Studio's and JetBrains' share significantly, leading JetBrains to start offering their products for free personal use to try to recoup some of that lost user base. I could be wrong, but that's my observation based on the extreme popularity of VS Code and the abundance of extensions for virtually every language and framework out there.
- robenkleene 1y ago
  On the IDE marketshare question, the Stackoverflow Developer Survey asks questions like this and I always jump to that section. Here's my comment on HN summarizing the most recent survey https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44725015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44725015 I also wrote about VS Code's early rising with a focus on marketshare here https://blog.robenkleene.com/2020/09/21/the-era-of-visual-studio-code/ https://blog.robenkleene.com/2020/09/21/the-era-of-visual-st... I also think your observation about VS Code's rise forcing JetBrains into a corner is spot on. On a side tangent, I find it odd that the whole VS Code phenomena is under analyzed. Before VS Code, text editors and IDEs were one of the healthiest software categories around, with the market leader hovering around 35%, which is great for competition enforcing quality (DAWs are still like this today). Now text editors have become more like the Adobe suite, where there's in 800 lb gorilla doing whatever it wants and everyone else is competing over scraps (if you say VS Code is actually good though, Photoshop was amazing when it made its rise too). Developers just let this happen to their core tool without anyone really talking about?
  - snuxoll 1y ago
    I honestly don't understand the popularity of VS Code, at all. If I wanted to cobble together a development environment from scratch, I'd just go use Emacs. Hell, I'd end up with a better product than a bunch of buggy as VS Code plugins that don't constantly act up and regularly break. While I wouldn't consider my employer a '.Net shop' anymore, it's a fact that it still remains the most used language across the organization. Many of my coworkers have ditched Visual Studio, jumped to VS Code, gotten pissed off at it after a while, tried Rider, and eventually switched. If anything, I think VS Code is in an incredibly unhealthy state. Sure, Microsoft initially managed to pull a Chrome with it and ate the lunch of a lot of more basic text editors, but many people are getting frustrated with the ecosystem. Really, between Spacemacs and Neovim, actual community-driven projects are coming out with much more polished and better integrated tools than Microsoft - partly thanks to them pushing everyone and their dog to build language servers. I'm sticking to proper IDE's for basically everything but the occasional itch I have to do something in lisp, but hot damn does what you get out of the box thanks to LSP support and tree-sitter make VS Code less appealing to people willing to make the switch.
phendrenad2 1y ago
It's been a long time since I last used RubyMine, but I always felt that it was the weakest of the JetBrains tools. And not because JetBrains didn't try hard enough, but because Ruby just doesn't offer a lot of opportunities for an IDE to take advantage of. I ended up cancelling my subscription over some trivial thing (I think it was the fact that I couldn't quite get the IDE to preserve the indentation of a file. It was an all-or-nothing global setting, but I work on codebases that might have a 4-space indent HTML file and a 2-space indent HTML File in the same directory, and the IDE was ignoring the current style of the file and using whatever indent level I had configured).
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  Yeah, Ruby wasn’t unpleasant to write in the wonderfully simple TextMate back in the day… a full fat IDE feels like extreme overkill. I might even say that’s a point of attraction for the language. Overwrought IDEs and heavy editors are more optional relative to some languages.
  - engineeringwoke 1y ago
    I have worked at several ruby shops and everyone has used heavy IDEs like RubyMine and VSCode, jump to's and language server are far too important.
    - dismalaf 1y ago
      Dunno, if you're using Rails, because of the naming conventions its pretty easy to find what you're looking for by just jumping to a file using grep or something. Ruby-lsp runs everywhere nowadays, but back in the day, there was all sorts of code completion servers, live coding environments, etc... for Emacs, Vim had completion servers, and if you didn't have any of those, the REPL has always been good too.
- onionisafruit 1y ago
  It might be the weakest of the jetbrains IDEs[0], but for a long time it was simultaneously the best Ruby IDE for my needs. It had reliable jump to definition when nobody else did. That was key for me circa 2015 when I was coming from Java and struggling with my first dynamically typed language since Perl. There are probably better Ruby editors out there now. I stick with RubyMine because I use jetbrains for other languages and like the consistency. [0] I won’t say the weakest of their tools because youtrack exists.
nomilk 1y ago
This is awesome. Over the past four years I went from Sublime Text, to VS Code, to a 'dual IDE' setup (neovim and cursor). I hear rubymine has the best support for documentation and source code lookup capabilities (vitally important). Curious of its AI capabilities; how much of a step down would it be going from cursor to rubymine? I guess it could be used stand-alone purely for its documentation/source capabilities, but 3 IDEs feels like overkill.
- onionisafruit 1y ago
  It’s a bit of a step down from cursor and vscode in terms of AI integration, but I still prefer my jetbrains ides (goland and rubymine). GitHub broke most aspects of their extension for jetbrains last week and didn’t seem to notice. That wouldn’t have happened for vscode (they might break it but they’ll also be in a hurry to fix it). I haven’t tried jetbrains own AI though. It might be fantastic for all I know.
  - snuxoll 1y ago
    It's different, I wouldn't necessarily say it's worse than Copilot, and I have been happy making the switch given my usage is included with the Jetbrains All Products subscription I already pay. If you're expecting inline completion that reads your comments and shits out a fully formed function like Copilot, you'll be pretty annoyed - but that's been a positive for me as the completion doesn't constantly try to get in my way and suggest things 10 steps ahead of me. I'm much happier with my assistant letting my continue to steer when I'm actively coding, and instead just focusing on reducing keystrokes. Chat works great, and I have a whole host of models from multiple providers to pick from. If I actually do want to have it generate some garbage for me, do code review, or simple refactors then I'll whip it out and it does the trick. Being better integrated into the IntelliJ Platform, actually applying changes from the chat window works more often than Copilot did in my experience. And then there's Junie, which also benefits greatly from integration into the IDE. Since the PSI syntax tree you get from native IntelliJ language plugins gives the IDE a lot of data on whether code is actually valid or not (missing references, hallucinated packages or standard library functions, straight up invalid syntax, etc), you're not relying solely on tests to make sure the end result of a task you set the agent off to do is actually correct. I can come back after asking her to do a large-scale refactor, or implement some (part of a) feature, and generally be confident I'm not wandering into a bunch of garbage. If you already pay for an All Products Pack license you've got JetBrains AI Pro included, if you pay for a single IDE from them and are already at the 3-year continuity discount then the cost of upgrading to the All Products Pack and getting the AI Pro license is a couple USD difference (depending on the specific product, could be cheaper). Really not much for anybody to lose trying it out, at the least.
langitbiru 1y ago
I don't understand. Of all offerings from Jetbrains, only Pycharm is free for commercial use. Others have restrictions like RubyMine.
- onionisafruit 1y ago
  I would be interested to know the story there. It seems like a strange choice to be the only one free for commercial use.
  - snuxoll 1y ago
    PyCharm lives in the IntelliJ CE repository, both are Apache 2.0 licensed, while the rest of JetBrain's language plugins are proprietary. They are 'unifying' PyCharm and getting rid of the separate PE and CE builds, but the underlying plugins remain developed in the open right there on GitHub. As far as why only IntelliJ and PyCharm are done this way (excepting additional plugins many developers would end up wanting only coming with a subscription), that's a strategy question you'd have to ask an exec about. If I would hazard a guess, Java, Kotlin, and Python are all pretty big first languages to pick up and have large, active communities. Good products to get people hooked and want to pay to get the extras that aren't available without a subscription.
- bdcravens 1y ago
  Perhaps it has a dependency with a license that forbids those kind of restrictions?
- mdaniel 1y ago
  That's not true: IntelliJ was the first one to come out licensed as Apache 2, and PyCharm (and the python plugin) followed suit. Both of them do have paid versions with more features, but IntelliJ and PyCharm open source builds are still very strong products and unquestionably not "phoning it in" releases
- npteljes 1y ago
  IntelliJ IDEA Community version is also free for commercial use, it's Apache 2.0 licensed even (mostly).
renatovico 1y ago
I’ve been paying for JetBrains for the past 10 years, and I want to keep supporting them. For a long time, I used Vim (about 5 years straight). Then one day, JetBrains introduced IdeaVim (Vim emulation). After that, I tried Neovim, but LazyVim didn’t really click with me. Maybe I’m just getting older and don’t feel like spending so much time fine-tuning my setup anymore.
CiTyBear 1y ago
> It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics. Important indeed. This is not "free as in freedom"
- privatelypublic 1y ago
  It never would be. It's free as in beer. Also, mark my words: Most/All Jetbrains IDEs are going to go this way. They're just pacing it to keep good press rolling.
andrewl 1y ago
I am going to try it. One nice thing about JetBrains IDEs is that they have all the functionality of the DataGrip database IDE built in. This will be an issue for some users. Further down the page is a section on data collection: Does my IDE send any data to JetBrains? The terms of the non-commercial agreement assume that the product may also electronically send JetBrains anonymized statistics (IDE telemetry) related to your usage of the product’s features. This information may include but is not limited to frameworks, file templates used in the product, actions invoked, and other interactions with the product’s features. This information does not contain personal data.
philipallstar 1y ago
> Whether you’re learning Ruby and Rails, pushing open-source forward, creating dev content, or building your passion project, we want to make sure you have the tools to enjoy what you do even more… for free. I don't know why they say this fatuous stuff. Obviously they don't want to do that, or they'd make all their tools available for nothing.
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cyrialize 1y ago
I'm a huge fan of RubyMine (and all of JetBrains tooling). I've always found their find by reference and jump to definition better than using a language server.
saadn92 1y ago
My favorite thing about RubyMine is its ability to search so quickly for the text I'm looking for. I even used it for non-ruby projects just because I love the search functionality and that's what I'm used to. Definitely love that they did this.
renewiltord 1y ago
Jetbrains really needs to step up their LLM game. Trying to stay in house is a mistake. I'm glad Claude code integrates well.
Alifatisk 1y ago
Good news, I just wish Ruby had better DX on Vscode across all platforms. The ecosystem now is broken. Things barely work. All I want is syntax highlight, autocomplete and jump to definition without any ai stuff. I guess RubyMine is the only proper way to use Ruby.
- BowBun 1y ago
  Agreed, I'm not sure how the github/shopify folks are doing their own work these days. I have to keep one archived extension + 2 others to try and cover the basic feature set you expect. I realize Ruby typing means some things aren't possible, but the fragmented toolset means the simple things keep breaking. I think some sort of 'champion' or company push will be needed to tidy things up at this point. Ironically, Shopify owns one of the Ruby extensions but it is feature incomplete.
  - Alifatisk 1y ago
    There is a good talk about this issue if you are interested, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuy51ZCGEw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuy51ZCGEw
npteljes 1y ago
I needed to pick up Ruby for a two year job, and RubyMine made my Ruby learning so much fun. I really appreciated the clever autocomplete and especially the suggestions. It would give recommendations like "this works, but it's not how people do things in Ruby. Try this instead" and the recommendation actually looked so slick and elegant (and Ruby-like, and not Java-like where I come from). I hope in my heart that sometime I'll have to use it again.
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arresin 1y ago
This is smart from a business point of view imo. You want as many people on the platform as possible and you don’t forgo enterprize customers.

179 points by bartekpacia 1y ago

great stuff. RubyMine has a great implementation of RBS.

>Free for non commercial use I like to recreationally overthink sometimes: Most of us code in hopes that the thing we make is cool and useful, and it's a good thing if the thing we make catches on and becomes popular. Some might even say if they could make a living off their creation, they'd love that. Given that this site is what it is, -most- of us have financial ambitions, with code as the means to an end to get us that money. Back to the free for non commercial use stipulation, I'm just wondering how practical is this model? Is it expected that people do periodic reviews of the success of their projects and make some sort of subjective judgement when they should pay for a license? Is there room for some other business model to more viably compete with vscode and vscode-forks that are free, while still creating paychecks for JetBrains?

thrtythreeforty 1y ago
I treat the spirit of these licenses as: "if you have reasonable expectation of making money from your use of it, please buy a license. Otherwise, we appreciate the mindshare." Practically speaking, the license is probably much closer to "if you are making prodigious amounts of money, and you are using our software, then you had better buy a license to avoid a legal situation."
- jbverschoor 1y ago
  So any VC funded startup should use for free in your opinion?
- andrewl 1y ago
  And if I were making prodigious amounts of money I'd be happy to go back and pay JetBrains the $274.8 a year that RubyMine costs per person for a company license. Aside being the decent thing to do, I'd like to contribute to JetBrains so they continue updating a tool that helped me build my company.

rghose 1y ago

Just another indication that ruby is dead?

joshmn 1y ago
I am not sure how this contributes to the unfounded idea that ruby is dead—Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub amongst many others would like a word. RubyMine isn’t the editor of choice for many of my fellow rubyists, but it is for me—IntelliJ’s LSP alone is a godsend when you’re diving deep into debugging weird gems. I have tried ruby-lsp from Shopify and it gets 95% there but that last 5% is what makes me hyper-productive. Most of the community is on VS Code. We did have a weird, loud Danish guy using TextMate until recently, but I guess he switched to neovim. Having said, RubyMine was very popular when ruby was on HN as much as AI is today. It hasn’t kept up, just like Sublime has been largely replaced by VS Code.
- lagniappe 1y ago
  >Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub Outliers do not dictate the mean.
- IshKebab 1y ago
  > Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub Yeah I mean Facebook, Wordpress, Wikipedia... but are you going to start a new project in PHP today? I bet all of them wish they weren't using Ruby. (Well probably not because they'll attract devs that love Ruby, but you get the point...) Anyway in terms of concrete numbers the best thing I've found is to look at Github PRs/projects/stars. This site is really cool: https://madnight.github.io/githut/ https://madnight.github.io/githut/ Ruby was quite popular at the start of the chart in 2014 when it was more popular than Java! But gradually waned until about 2020 where it seems to have stabilised at "not very popular", just behind PHP. Go and Typescript seem to have taken its place, which makes sense because they're both much better languages.
  - fredoliveira 1y ago
    > I bet all of them wish they weren't using Ruby. I'd take that bet. At scale, (and those 3 are the definition of scale) you can mitigate some of the downsides of Ruby (i.e. speed), but you can't recreate the upsides (i.e. developer satisfaction, learning curve, flexibility) elsewhere. > Go and Typescript seem to have taken its place, which makes sense because they're both much better languages. Again: depends on the metrics you're considering. I would certainly consider Go much better than ruby on some metrics, but most definitely not all - and importantly, if I put all of it on a scale (and this is where bias comes in), I still give the edge to Ruby over both of those.

khaledh 1y ago

I'd like to see a comparison of IDE market share over the past decade or so. My assumption is that VS Code has gained market share exponentially, eating at both Visual Studio's and JetBrains' share significantly, leading JetBrains to start offering their products for free personal use to try to recoup some of that lost user base. I could be wrong, but that's my observation based on the extreme popularity of VS Code and the abundance of extensions for virtually every language and framework out there.

robenkleene 1y ago
On the IDE marketshare question, the Stackoverflow Developer Survey asks questions like this and I always jump to that section. Here's my comment on HN summarizing the most recent survey https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44725015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44725015 I also wrote about VS Code's early rising with a focus on marketshare here https://blog.robenkleene.com/2020/09/21/the-era-of-visual-studio-code/ https://blog.robenkleene.com/2020/09/21/the-era-of-visual-st... I also think your observation about VS Code's rise forcing JetBrains into a corner is spot on. On a side tangent, I find it odd that the whole VS Code phenomena is under analyzed. Before VS Code, text editors and IDEs were one of the healthiest software categories around, with the market leader hovering around 35%, which is great for competition enforcing quality (DAWs are still like this today). Now text editors have become more like the Adobe suite, where there's in 800 lb gorilla doing whatever it wants and everyone else is competing over scraps (if you say VS Code is actually good though, Photoshop was amazing when it made its rise too). Developers just let this happen to their core tool without anyone really talking about?
- snuxoll 1y ago
  I honestly don't understand the popularity of VS Code, at all. If I wanted to cobble together a development environment from scratch, I'd just go use Emacs. Hell, I'd end up with a better product than a bunch of buggy as VS Code plugins that don't constantly act up and regularly break. While I wouldn't consider my employer a '.Net shop' anymore, it's a fact that it still remains the most used language across the organization. Many of my coworkers have ditched Visual Studio, jumped to VS Code, gotten pissed off at it after a while, tried Rider, and eventually switched. If anything, I think VS Code is in an incredibly unhealthy state. Sure, Microsoft initially managed to pull a Chrome with it and ate the lunch of a lot of more basic text editors, but many people are getting frustrated with the ecosystem. Really, between Spacemacs and Neovim, actual community-driven projects are coming out with much more polished and better integrated tools than Microsoft - partly thanks to them pushing everyone and their dog to build language servers. I'm sticking to proper IDE's for basically everything but the occasional itch I have to do something in lisp, but hot damn does what you get out of the box thanks to LSP support and tree-sitter make VS Code less appealing to people willing to make the switch.

phendrenad2 1y ago

It's been a long time since I last used RubyMine, but I always felt that it was the weakest of the JetBrains tools. And not because JetBrains didn't try hard enough, but because Ruby just doesn't offer a lot of opportunities for an IDE to take advantage of. I ended up cancelling my subscription over some trivial thing (I think it was the fact that I couldn't quite get the IDE to preserve the indentation of a file. It was an all-or-nothing global setting, but I work on codebases that might have a 4-space indent HTML file and a 2-space indent HTML File in the same directory, and the IDE was ignoring the current style of the file and using whatever indent level I had configured).

cosmic_cheese 1y ago
Yeah, Ruby wasn’t unpleasant to write in the wonderfully simple TextMate back in the day… a full fat IDE feels like extreme overkill. I might even say that’s a point of attraction for the language. Overwrought IDEs and heavy editors are more optional relative to some languages.
- engineeringwoke 1y ago
  I have worked at several ruby shops and everyone has used heavy IDEs like RubyMine and VSCode, jump to's and language server are far too important.
  - dismalaf 1y ago
    Dunno, if you're using Rails, because of the naming conventions its pretty easy to find what you're looking for by just jumping to a file using grep or something. Ruby-lsp runs everywhere nowadays, but back in the day, there was all sorts of code completion servers, live coding environments, etc... for Emacs, Vim had completion servers, and if you didn't have any of those, the REPL has always been good too.
onionisafruit 1y ago
It might be the weakest of the jetbrains IDEs[0], but for a long time it was simultaneously the best Ruby IDE for my needs. It had reliable jump to definition when nobody else did. That was key for me circa 2015 when I was coming from Java and struggling with my first dynamically typed language since Perl. There are probably better Ruby editors out there now. I stick with RubyMine because I use jetbrains for other languages and like the consistency. [0] I won’t say the weakest of their tools because youtrack exists.

nomilk 1y ago

This is awesome. Over the past four years I went from Sublime Text, to VS Code, to a 'dual IDE' setup (neovim and cursor). I hear rubymine has the best support for documentation and source code lookup capabilities (vitally important). Curious of its AI capabilities; how much of a step down would it be going from cursor to rubymine? I guess it could be used stand-alone purely for its documentation/source capabilities, but 3 IDEs feels like overkill.

onionisafruit 1y ago
It’s a bit of a step down from cursor and vscode in terms of AI integration, but I still prefer my jetbrains ides (goland and rubymine). GitHub broke most aspects of their extension for jetbrains last week and didn’t seem to notice. That wouldn’t have happened for vscode (they might break it but they’ll also be in a hurry to fix it). I haven’t tried jetbrains own AI though. It might be fantastic for all I know.
- snuxoll 1y ago
  It's different, I wouldn't necessarily say it's worse than Copilot, and I have been happy making the switch given my usage is included with the Jetbrains All Products subscription I already pay. If you're expecting inline completion that reads your comments and shits out a fully formed function like Copilot, you'll be pretty annoyed - but that's been a positive for me as the completion doesn't constantly try to get in my way and suggest things 10 steps ahead of me. I'm much happier with my assistant letting my continue to steer when I'm actively coding, and instead just focusing on reducing keystrokes. Chat works great, and I have a whole host of models from multiple providers to pick from. If I actually do want to have it generate some garbage for me, do code review, or simple refactors then I'll whip it out and it does the trick. Being better integrated into the IntelliJ Platform, actually applying changes from the chat window works more often than Copilot did in my experience. And then there's Junie, which also benefits greatly from integration into the IDE. Since the PSI syntax tree you get from native IntelliJ language plugins gives the IDE a lot of data on whether code is actually valid or not (missing references, hallucinated packages or standard library functions, straight up invalid syntax, etc), you're not relying solely on tests to make sure the end result of a task you set the agent off to do is actually correct. I can come back after asking her to do a large-scale refactor, or implement some (part of a) feature, and generally be confident I'm not wandering into a bunch of garbage. If you already pay for an All Products Pack license you've got JetBrains AI Pro included, if you pay for a single IDE from them and are already at the 3-year continuity discount then the cost of upgrading to the All Products Pack and getting the AI Pro license is a couple USD difference (depending on the specific product, could be cheaper). Really not much for anybody to lose trying it out, at the least.

langitbiru 1y ago

I don't understand. Of all offerings from Jetbrains, only Pycharm is free for commercial use. Others have restrictions like RubyMine.

onionisafruit 1y ago
I would be interested to know the story there. It seems like a strange choice to be the only one free for commercial use.
- snuxoll 1y ago
  PyCharm lives in the IntelliJ CE repository, both are Apache 2.0 licensed, while the rest of JetBrain's language plugins are proprietary. They are 'unifying' PyCharm and getting rid of the separate PE and CE builds, but the underlying plugins remain developed in the open right there on GitHub. As far as why only IntelliJ and PyCharm are done this way (excepting additional plugins many developers would end up wanting only coming with a subscription), that's a strategy question you'd have to ask an exec about. If I would hazard a guess, Java, Kotlin, and Python are all pretty big first languages to pick up and have large, active communities. Good products to get people hooked and want to pay to get the extras that aren't available without a subscription.
bdcravens 1y ago
Perhaps it has a dependency with a license that forbids those kind of restrictions?
mdaniel 1y ago
That's not true: IntelliJ was the first one to come out licensed as Apache 2, and PyCharm (and the python plugin) followed suit. Both of them do have paid versions with more features, but IntelliJ and PyCharm open source builds are still very strong products and unquestionably not "phoning it in" releases
npteljes 1y ago
IntelliJ IDEA Community version is also free for commercial use, it's Apache 2.0 licensed even (mostly).

renatovico 1y ago

I’ve been paying for JetBrains for the past 10 years, and I want to keep supporting them. For a long time, I used Vim (about 5 years straight). Then one day, JetBrains introduced IdeaVim (Vim emulation). After that, I tried Neovim, but LazyVim didn’t really click with me. Maybe I’m just getting older and don’t feel like spending so much time fine-tuning my setup anymore.

CiTyBear 1y ago

> It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics. Important indeed. This is not "free as in freedom"

privatelypublic 1y ago
It never would be. It's free as in beer. Also, mark my words: Most/All Jetbrains IDEs are going to go this way. They're just pacing it to keep good press rolling.

andrewl 1y ago

I am going to try it. One nice thing about JetBrains IDEs is that they have all the functionality of the DataGrip database IDE built in. This will be an issue for some users. Further down the page is a section on data collection: Does my IDE send any data to JetBrains? The terms of the non-commercial agreement assume that the product may also electronically send JetBrains anonymized statistics (IDE telemetry) related to your usage of the product’s features. This information may include but is not limited to frameworks, file templates used in the product, actions invoked, and other interactions with the product’s features. This information does not contain personal data.

philipallstar 1y ago

> Whether you’re learning Ruby and Rails, pushing open-source forward, creating dev content, or building your passion project, we want to make sure you have the tools to enjoy what you do even more… for free. I don't know why they say this fatuous stuff. Obviously they don't want to do that, or they'd make all their tools available for nothing.

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cyrialize 1y ago

I'm a huge fan of RubyMine (and all of JetBrains tooling). I've always found their find by reference and jump to definition better than using a language server.

saadn92 1y ago

My favorite thing about RubyMine is its ability to search so quickly for the text I'm looking for. I even used it for non-ruby projects just because I love the search functionality and that's what I'm used to. Definitely love that they did this.

renewiltord 1y ago

Jetbrains really needs to step up their LLM game. Trying to stay in house is a mistake. I'm glad Claude code integrates well.

Alifatisk 1y ago

Good news, I just wish Ruby had better DX on Vscode across all platforms. The ecosystem now is broken. Things barely work. All I want is syntax highlight, autocomplete and jump to definition without any ai stuff. I guess RubyMine is the only proper way to use Ruby.

BowBun 1y ago
Agreed, I'm not sure how the github/shopify folks are doing their own work these days. I have to keep one archived extension + 2 others to try and cover the basic feature set you expect. I realize Ruby typing means some things aren't possible, but the fragmented toolset means the simple things keep breaking. I think some sort of 'champion' or company push will be needed to tidy things up at this point. Ironically, Shopify owns one of the Ruby extensions but it is feature incomplete.
- Alifatisk 1y ago
  There is a good talk about this issue if you are interested, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuy51ZCGEw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuy51ZCGEw

npteljes 1y ago

I needed to pick up Ruby for a two year job, and RubyMine made my Ruby learning so much fun. I really appreciated the clever autocomplete and especially the suggestions. It would give recommendations like "this works, but it's not how people do things in Ruby. Try this instead" and the recommendation actually looked so slick and elegant (and Ruby-like, and not Java-like where I come from). I hope in my heart that sometime I'll have to use it again.

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arresin 1y ago

This is smart from a business point of view imo. You want as many people on the platform as possible and you don’t forgo enterprize customers.