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Meta Leaks Part 1: Israel and Meta

532 points by icw_nru 1y ago

icw_nru 1y ago
We can answer any questions anyone has about this. *EDIT: It looks at 30 minutes in this post got flagged. Likely brigaded by mass downvote bots. Any mod can take a look?
- pavlov 1y ago
  Who's "we"?
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Look at the username you're replying to, then at the username who posted the article on HN, then at the username who submitted the content to Internet Archive.
  - Bengalilol 1y ago
    FWIW, it's "them" https://archive.org/details/@icw_nru https://archive.org/details/@icw_nru
  - icw_nru 1y ago
    The whistleblowers mentioned in this article.
- heddel 1y ago
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- myrmidon 1y ago
  Is there any info on the language distribution of the censored content (or was this about english content only)? Are there random (or cherry picked) examples of censored content somewhere? Is anything known about the selection process (just keyword based? more sophisticated?). This talks about the dangers of manipulating public opinion and poisoning future automatic classifications, but how effective were the 'Israelis specifically with that (on a spectrum from "censors everything that contains the words river+sea" to "picks censorship targets strategically in order to shift discourse/opinion in favor of Israel")?
  - icw_nru 1y ago
    The language of the posts is usually representative of the user country. E.g. USA=English, Egypt=Arabic. However, on aggregate, the majority of posts taken down are from middle eastern countries, and are mostly arabic language. Please see "random/cherry picked" examples from human rights watches report mentioned in the bottom of the article. To quote: "Of the 1,050 cases reviewed for this report, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine that was censored or otherwise unduly suppressed, while one case involved removal of content in support of Israel."
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mrs6969 1y ago
This is a big deal. Great work!
reactordev 1y ago
I don’t think it’s just Israel. I think more countries (cough cough) are doing this. Why would they all show up on Inauguration Day? Yeah… I have no proof, only suspicion. You can easily skirt “The Algorithm” using VPNs and get vastly different content.
- icw_nru 1y ago
  Many many countries are doing this, which is shown in figure 5. However, no other country comes close to the amount of censorship done by Israel. Additionally, most countries primarily do internal censorship. Again, Israel is the only country that is censoring other countries to this great extent. And almost all of it is related to the ongoing events.
  - wk_end 1y ago
    Why does Figure 5 only include those eight countries?
    - icw_nru 1y ago
      The report focused on the top 8 country governments who use the content enforcement system the most at Meta. The countries selected aren't random.
  - ttemPumpinRary 1y ago
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    - msgodel 1y ago
      Not saying I agree with it but if it's true censored people who have concrete evidence it's happening probably are going to continuously shout it from the rooftops until they feel their neighbors are sufficiently aware.
    - pillefitz 1y ago
      Well, Israel does manipulate the media, no need to come up with strawmen
notavalleyman 1y ago
Where in the linked pdf is any evidence that the reported content was actually innocent? If the content which Israel reported to meta was truly pro-terror, then surely there's no problem here - a nation who is the target of a terrorist group, can spend their taxes reducing pro-terror group content online. It's only a problem if, as the report alleges, the content was not pro-terror, but that's not actually evidenced anywhere
- icw_nru 1y ago
  Human rights watch's report covers more individual examples. To quote: "Of the 1,050 cases reviewed for this report, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine that was censored or otherwise unduly suppressed, while one case involved removal of content in support of Israel." This leak aims at looking at the bigger picture across all of Meta's 3 billion users. Of course, Meta can chose examples of actually violating posts removed and show that as counter proof, or even posts that are violating that are not yet removed. But anyone familiar with how ML models work knows that false positives / false negatives exists. Its the degree to which the ML models primarily censor almost any content related to Israel/Palestine, the systemic nature of targeting specific countries, such as Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, and the fact that per-capita, Israel is the country that most abuses the content enforcement system (3x more than any other country).
  - notavalleyman 1y ago
    > Of course, Meta can chose examples of actually violating posts removed and show that are counter proof, or even posts that are violating that are not yet removed No, meta don't need to prove anything to anyone. It's you who alleges that the content should have stayed up, so what's your evidence? You're telling me I need to go and read a HRW pdf instead? Okay where is that?
    - text0404 1y ago
      google search for "human rights watch israel censorship" turned this up: https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2023/12/ip_meta1223%20web.pdf https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2023/12/ip_met... check "illustrative examples" section.
kiwikan 1y ago
will probably get flagged in a couple of hours as usual, HN censorship
- freedomben 1y ago
  I disagree with the rampant flagging practices that many HNers engage in, but I do think it's worth noting that it's not always "censorship" as much as it is people pre-flagging topics that are likely to result in a contentious flamewar in the comment section. Of course plenty of stories are killed because they go against the narrative that a particular reader likes, so there definitely is some censorship, but it's a lot more nuanced than that IMHO.
  - lossolo 1y ago
    > s people pre-flagging topics that are likely to result in a contentious flamewar in the comment section. I’ve never understood this argument: if you don’t want to participate in a discussion, then don’t, but why stop others from doing so? No one is obligated to click into the comments section, read, or take part in any discussion on HN. Even when discussions get heated, in my experience they’re still better than similar discussions elsewhere on the internet. > Of course plenty of stories are killed because they go against the narrative that a particular reader likes, so there definitely is some censorship I think this is the main reason for flagging.
    - freedomben 1y ago
      Completely agree with you about why pre-flagging topics is silly. I get that people love echo chambers for many reasons, but it doesn't seem that hard to me to just not read a thread that bothers you
  - mvdtnz 1y ago
    If you don't think there's active censorship of certain topics from HN leadership you're naive beyond belief. There's a reason that most of the topics that get auto-flagged also happen to be a threat to the financial interests of YC and its backers.
nkmnz 1y ago
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mattfrommars 1y ago
Are we really shocked by this? It's screaming obvious but we still have many people whose head is buried deep in the sand. Israel have claimed the title to start worlds first live stream genocide. It took them long time to get to where they are and know they will be forgiven. It's crazy to think but is true, they have normalized killing of Palestinians.
- rsoto2 1y ago
  Ycombinator hosted an Israeli soldier AMA while he was in gaza terrorizing people, our industry is full of genocide-apologists.
  - xinuc 1y ago
    There are lots of them in this very site. That's why most posts about ongoing genocide voted down immediately. This post is ranked very low, most likely it's getting lots of down vote.
  - pbiggar 1y ago
    Can you share more about this?
    - rsoto2 1y ago
      I tried looking for it but it might have been deleted. It was pretty much "I'm an IDF soldier in Gaza AMA" Absolutely vile.
      - pbiggar 1y ago
        This is all I found https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/1b71unn/im_an_idf_soldier_in_gaza_ama/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/1b71unn/im_an_idf_sold... To be clear, you're saying YC hosted a soldier for an AMA? Where? Like as a speaker, or in Bookface, or what?
lenerdenator 1y ago
I'm not sure how effective it was; I've seen plenty of content related to Gaza on Meta platforms, and I'm located in the US. It's also worth noting that there are two very different groups of people sharing information about what's happening in Gaza: 1) People internationally who would like to see international laws enforced against Israel (and, likely, Hamas) given their conduct on October 7th, 2023 and later 2) People who have a real problem with the existence of Israel on a basis that have far less to do with international law and norms and far more to do with its nature as a Jewish state. This makes it harder to moderate content about what's happening in the region to everyone's satisfaction.
- jordanb 1y ago
  > less to do with international law and norms and far more to do with its nature as a Jewish state Explicit ethnostates are against law and norms.
  - lenerdenator 1y ago
    Then we've got a very, very long list of countries to act against.
    - text0404 1y ago
      alternatively, the US could just not dump billions of dollars in aid and weapons to those countries. social media companies could strengthen their content moderation systems against these kinds of state-sponsored attacks. no need to "act against" anyone.
      - lenerdenator 1y ago
        That would, again, mean not engaging with most countries on Earth, because most of them are, or have at least some qualities of, being ethnostates, religious states, or some other combination of putting one group above another in society based on immutable characteristics or characteristics of conscience. If you're not Han in the PRC, they're going to try to "normalize" you in the direction of acting like you're Han. If you're not ethnic Russian, same with you in Russia. The only way to keep the former Yugoslavia from continuing to be a bloodbath was by essentially setting up ethnostates. And, yes, all of them use or have used violence to enforce these conditions.
pbiggar 1y ago
I haven't had time to dig into the report, but this is utterly unsurprising given previous reports, and due to employee and former employee whistleblowers. See also: - From 7amleh: Erased and Suppressed: Palestinian Testimonies of Meta's Censorship: https://7amleh.org/post/erased-and-suppressed-palestinian-testimonies-of-meta-s-censorship-en https://7amleh.org/post/erased-and-suppressed-palestinian-te... - AJ+ documentary "Inside Israel's Influence on Meta": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12btf2Oq820 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12btf2Oq820
wk_end 1y ago
I say this not in defence of the Israelis (ab)use of Meta's takedown system, nor in defence of the Israelis conduct towards Palestinians: this is low-quality, sensationalist work. ICW claims to be an "organization of independent journalists", but typos and grammatical errors are rampant, which I wouldn't expect from actual professional writers - unless the term "journalist" is being abused here. Along those lines, serious journalists would not attempt to blackmail a multibillion dollar company like this: > The motivation behind these leaks is the following: Stop all involvement with the Israeli government and their current genocide in Gaza. Until then, more leaks will be dropped. With each leak exposing a different aspect of corruption from censorship, to AI, to financial crimes. The actual contents of the "leaks" aren't really new - the Israeli government has been making sweeping takedown requests to Meta to suppress material related to the war in Gaza. This was already well-known - see, for instance, HRW's report on this from 2023, itself cited in this report. What makes this sensationalist is the conspiratorial thinking that follows and is embedded throughout. There's certainly something interesting and dystopian about how Meta uses machine learning to extrapolate from successful human-verified takedown requests to begin automating acceptance of takedown requests, and how this creates, as an inevitable consequence, a kind of "censorship machine". But this is framed (without evidence) as a kind of "data poisoning" conspiracy - the Israeli intelligence agencies and perhaps Meta in tandem working to deliberately ensure this censorship is automated. When, of course, even if Meta wasn't using machine learning to automate this process, the Israeli agencies would almost certainly still be issuing these sweeping requests. And, conversely, with or without the Israeli takedown requests, there's no doubt Meta would be using ML to automate the takedown process at their scale. No conspiracy is necessary - the authors might do well to read Manufacturing Consent. Even more absurdly, they "hypothesis [sic]" that "Israeli government [sic] must have insiders at Meta’s integrity organization in the form of individual contributor engineers who advised the Israeli cyberunit on how to abuse the content moderation system."; no evidence is presented for this claim. Silly accusations and inferences like this are strewn throughout the paper, such as when it expresses shock that the Israeli government uses a form letter to submit the takedown requests. It also veers outright into "10/7 Truther" territory: > Throughout this reporting dataset, we see massive drops in reports on every 7th day. This of course corresponds to Shabbat or Saturday, the day which Jews refrain from work activities. However, October 7 2023 is also on Shabbat, so it's interesting to see that on this day of rest, and facing an overwhelming attack: 1. Both the IDF cyberunit division and Israeli attorney’s office were prepared and collaborating on that day to message Meta out of all organizations. 2. The IDF cyberunit division already had developed a new strategy of censoring countries that are not even involved in the attack like Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan. The obvious explanation for this is that it's precisely because they were "facing an overwhelming attack" that the Israelis were working on the weekend. It's not surprising in the slightest that they had emergency procedures, either. The HRW report had its own issues, but it was at least a serious attempt by serious people to understand the scale of the Israeli operation. By comparison, this is amateur work by amateurs.
icw_nru 1y ago
I do want to mention one more thing. There are more leaks that will be shared in the coming days. Many of which are related to mass censorship, theft, fraud going on at Meta. This is just one leak related to censorship and Israel. There are still more.
- kspacewalk2 1y ago
  Can you tell us a bit about ICW? Does it have a website? Where does its funding come from? What is NRU?
  - icw_nru 1y ago
    ICW was created with the purpose of exposing corruption related to government and anything tech related. We focus on high quality investigative work. By quality, I mean actually running experiments and going beyond surface level analysis. While everyone has their own biases/leanings, we try to separate our investigations from our opinions (which we do provide in a clearly labeled separate section, usually called "Discussions"). As you can see from our post timelines, I spend months doing this kind of investigative work. And it takes 100+ hours to do a proper investigation, let alone write the actual report. You can check out our previous investigations here: The Youtube Algorithm and Manufacturing Consent (https://archive.org/details/youtube-icw https://archive.org/details/youtube-icw) - We collected the worlds largest Youtube recommendation dataset using a custom built watch bot. We concluded that almost all Youtube users are 1-click away from far-right radicalizing videos. What can we learn from the Andrew Tate data breach (https://archive.org/details/tate_data_breach/ https://archive.org/details/tate_data_breach/) - We looked at the leaks of Andrew Tate's school and calculated through simulations exactly how much money he was making from the project, and allude to what this may mean for his taxes. We also run a state-of-the-art analysis into what kind of posts people make there, as well as survey the user demographics. We do not currently have a website. And have had $0 funding so far. So entirely out of pocket. From the beginning we opened donations via BTC and ETH, but didn't receive anything yet. I am NRU (alias) the lead investigator with a background in AI. I am currently driving the entire investigation for these projects. I occasionally collaborate with Drop Site News and BBC for some of the work we do. You can contact us with: - https://bsky.app/profile/icw-nru.bsky.social https://bsky.app/profile/icw-nru.bsky.social - icw_nru@protonmail.com
WhereIsTheTruth 1y ago
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- xinayder 1y ago
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nahuel0x 1y ago
What Israel does in the digital space to cover his Gaza genocide is Goebbels for the 21st Century.
- torium 1y ago
  Absolutely. Furthermore I've started hearing people calling it "the Palestinian Holocaust" (I think it's entirely fitting). Israel has owned that word for very long as has used it as an asset that they milk. It's about time they lose ownership.
  - halflife 1y ago
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    - torium 1y ago
      > halflife > 50% of all the Jews worldwide were wiped out by their own countrymen during the holocaust. Less than 5% of Gaza was killed. Russia lost more than 10% of its population in WW2, would that be considered holocaust? If you wanna throw numbers at me you need to first clarify what percentage of innocent killing you find acceptable.
      - halflife 1y ago
        Well, what is your standard for holocaust?
        torium 1y ago
        I asked first. You didn't answer so I don't feel the need to answer either. Also, your disingenuity (implying without stating that 5% is small) already convinced me that you're not in good faith, so this wouldn't be productive anyway.
        halflife 1y ago
bluecalm 1y ago
Isn't it because Israel does propaganda at state level while pro-Palestinian groups do it via other channels? On my FB wall Israel is losing. I see several pro-Palestinians posts every day and I am yet to see one pro Israel one. Not a single one came from my friend or people in my groups. I am not interested in seeing neither side's propaganda.
- ttemPumpinRary 1y ago
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seydor 1y ago
I m not surprised a bit by this. Meta has again and again shown that they have no scruples and no moral compass. But it's surprising how little knowledge about it and reaction there is from its users, who are otherwise very very critical when "mainstream media" does propaganda on them. It's probably because FB takes a very low key approach with branding and tries to make itself transparent to its users.
djfobbz 1y ago
This is just the tip of the iceberg...oh the irony!
- heddel 1y ago
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mapotofu 1y ago
> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. @dang and team I think the community would be interested to know the activity around this post, including moderation efforts. I’ve been doing cursory refreshes and seeing what I would consider “brigading”, but I could just be paranoid. Anyone else have the same questions? I’ll be emailing later and encourage others to do the same.
- alangibson 1y ago
  Massive respect to dang et al, but a blind man can see that posts about Gaza get brigaded. We would all love to see a report on unusual activity in regards to posts on Gaza.
  - torium 1y ago
    Yes. The longest comment on this thread starts out by saying there's so many typos. These might not be state actors, but like you said, a blind man can see that when someone's comment on genocide is "the article has so many typos", that person already started out with the conclusion.
    - wk_end 1y ago
      Oh, hey, that's my comment. As mentioned in my reply to you downthread, the issue with all of the spelling and grammar mistakes - as is clear from the comment itself - is that it belies the authors' claims of being actual "journalists". If they had been upfront and described themselves as Russian hackers or whatever it wouldn't really have been of note. But, in terms of credibility, this becomes something of a double-sin: to claim that you're a journalist implies that you adhere to a certain set of journalistic ethics; to lie about being a journalist means that not only do you not adhere to those ethics, it also means that you're a liar, which makes all of your claims suspect. I think calling this out on an HN post is worthwhile. Second of all, it may be the longest comment on the thread, but it's never been a particularly popular one, so I wouldn't draw too many inferences about foreign influence on HN from it. The post's karma, which I care way too much about, has wavered between -1 and I think 2, which doesn't exactly suggest there's a whole lot of brigading going on for my benefit. That doesn't imply that there's no brigading going on on HN - dang knows more about that than I do. Clearly Israel engages in attempting to control the narrative online, and there's clearly spaces on Reddit for example where they succeed quite well. HN is quite a bit smaller and more carefully moderated, though. That said, I've been on HN for a while, so I guess I'll say that I've noticed it's not hard for a post to get flagged; it wouldn't surprise me at all if something as contentious as the textbook example for contentious topics could organically end up getting flagged/vouched back to life a lot. > a blind man can see that when someone's comment on genocide is "the article has so many typos", that person already started out with the conclusion. Of course, it goes without saying, but that's not my "comment on genocide", nor is it more than a fraction of a fraction of my comment on the article itself. I don't really appreciate the strawman, and I'll point out that in your comments to me you explicitly vouch for starting from the conclusion, so I think you might be projecting.
Fizzadar 1y ago
Unsurprisingly this has been buried on HN, plenty of posts with way fewer votes per time on page 1. The censorship is everywhere. Utterly depressing.
- doka_smoka 1y ago
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- swed420 1y ago
  This is the main reason I browse HN via https://hckrnews.com https://hckrnews.com so that my "front page" cannot be tampered with by HN. Plus, much easier to see where you left off from last time.
  - ClickedUp 1y ago
    Worth mentioning Hacker News Removals as well: https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals "List of stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time."
alangibson 1y ago
Massive respect to dang et al, but a blind man can see that posts about Gaza get brigaded. We would all love to see a report on unusual activity in regards to posts on Gaza.
- pbiggar 1y ago
  Dang admitted they're getting brigaded months ago. They've chosen to do nothing about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435024 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435024
  - computerthings 1y ago
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  - e40 1y ago
    It clearly says they are doing something, turning off the bans on certain subjects.
    - pbiggar 1y ago
      Occasionally, when it comes to their attention, often after the reach has been lost.
hhcoder 1y ago
Hey, please share the leaks as soon as possible. HN is compromised too and they demoted your post.
- icw_nru 1y ago
  Thanks for sharing your concern. We will post soon, and the leak will always be there on our BlueSky feed. https://bsky.app/profile/icw-nru.bsky.social https://bsky.app/profile/icw-nru.bsky.social
  - icw_nru 1y ago
    I tried reposting this on Reddit and my post got autodeleted in 1 second. Which is unusual because I have posted on reddit before. " Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit’s filters. " Can anyone help on this? I tried on r/technology r/truereddit r/global_news_hub Without fail, every single time it gets removed instantly.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      reddit is much better with detection of bots and propaganda.
    - amy_petrik 1y ago
      >" Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit’s filters. " >Can anyone help on this? >Without fail, every single time it gets removed instantly. Hello, yes, I can help! You see, dark pattern algorithms found that polarization, infuriation, etc maximizes engagement maximizes profit. Reddit specializes in the deletion / banning meta, which is yet another form of engagement maximization. Are you not frustrated? Are you not so compelled to return to reddit, to finally succeed with your post, to drink that precious updoot milkshake? --- A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
    - ndkap 1y ago
      It may be because the account you used to post is relatively new or that you tried to post the same thing across multiple subreddits.
hhcoder 1y ago
@icw_nru we need a way to stay connected in case they take down your profile. Please provide a secure avenue for communication.
- deleted 1y ago
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lovegrenoble 1y ago
Stop Gaza genocide
mrs6969 1y ago
The fact that many pro israel person believes they are the right side, and we just don’t get it.. is just bothering. Literally every sane human being there is seeing what is going on, yet they refuse to see. Really interesting; especially when you think people used to question how germans followed hitler, and did not see what is going on. I think we all saw how such might happen these days. Also the fact is; this whole thing will be considered as a genocide, will be told for generations. Palestinian holocoust will he the new one told in the ‘not again’ lessons, and name ‘israel’ will live with it.
- mvdtnz 1y ago
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  - righthand 1y ago
    They are also the only people fighting for that population. Israel has global military power as their shield. A people that’s been whittled down to almost nothing using 1000x worse tactics and you’re criticizing the very little they can do to fight back. To the point that you’re rooting for Israel to kill more people. If you believe Israels genocide has anything to do with eliminating Hamas or hostages and is justified, then you’re part of the problem.
  - buyucu 1y ago
    Radical Zionism is the greatest threat to humanity. These zealots will try to kill anyone who does not participate in their 3000 year old fairytales.
johntarter 1y ago
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- lenerdenator 1y ago
  The first casualty of war is the truth, and the first weapon used is projection. Ultimately the conflict is two sides using similar information tactics to achieve sympathy for their ethnostate in what was Mandatory Palestine.
  - nielsbot 1y ago
    Are you saying the Palestinians also want an "ethnostate"?
    - lenerdenator 1y ago
      ... yeah? I thought that was fairly common knowledge. [0] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism
      - nielsbot 1y ago
        I don't think it's common knowledge. But "both sidesing" this in the context of Israel's intended ethnic cleansing of Gaza and annexation of the West Bank is a distraction from the problem at hand.
- maxglute 1y ago
  Frequently. But sometimes reality also simply has an anti-US interest bias. US lawmakers bitch about TikTok being pro-Palestine - the reality is the global narrative DEFAULT CONSENSUS _should_ be pro-Palestine / anti Israel / anti-Zionism / or anti-semitic for the simple mathematic reality that there is a fuckload more Muslims than jews, and a fuckload of other cohorts including in the west that are anti-Israel for variety of reasons. It takes extraordinary level information shaping, like that done by Meta and US platforms to censor what should be obviously unfiltered / plurality / default global opinion. For pro-Palestine narratives to take over, all TikTok had to do was nothing, vs Meta+US platforms has to coordinate global censorship / media filtering campaign. Cue US think tanks writing retarded reports that muh PRC is spreading pro-Palestinian propaganda when they're just not actively supressing it like US platforms are. Same with linked report, "funding" pro-Palestinian activism - a billionaire American maoist / activists using his resources to operate out of PRC where he is based (why is he based there?), as if PRC need US private money for propaganda. Of course the real downstream question is whether "information filtering" is good for American voters and American interest. Truth is a casualty of war blah blah but ostensibly US is not at war. Except US has been at some sort of war for most of last 100 years and Americans seem pretty tired of it.
righthand 1y ago
People should be aware too that OpenWeb is owned by Israeli’s and that platform has swept all the major news sites as the comment system. The platform partakes in HEAVY automoderation, so much so that it is hard to post anything constructive. However plenty of inflammatory coded stuff gets through. There should be a push to abandon OpenWeb.
- kotaKat 1y ago
  I would love a further investigation into how lopsided their moderation is, too. This Unit 8200 shit is for the birds.
leoh 1y ago
This is a super lame post. It’s not a “leak”, it’s an analysis someone did without citing any sources except one report a few years ago. Moreover, without question ISIS and other terror entities are certainly responsible for some number of the posts that were flagged on Facebook. I’m sure the state department has asked Facebook to remove many anti-US posts abroad. That’s the way the world works. Just look at Google’s history in China. It’s been a really shitty issue in general for a while. Making this some special sort of thing about Israel is ridiculous. That said, I fully expect to be downvoted to oblivion.
WhereIsTheTruth 1y ago
Interesting, seems to contradict with actual facts Who says the truth? https://mronline.org/2022/07/14/meet-the-ex-cia-agents-deciding-facebooks-content-policy/ https://mronline.org/2022/07/14/meet-the-ex-cia-agents-decid...
cooloo 1y ago
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- culi 1y ago
  This is an incredibly racist comment that has no place on this website

532 points by icw_nru 1y ago

We can answer any questions anyone has about this. *EDIT: It looks at 30 minutes in this post got flagged. Likely brigaded by mass downvote bots. Any mod can take a look?

pavlov 1y ago
Who's "we"?
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  Look at the username you're replying to, then at the username who posted the article on HN, then at the username who submitted the content to Internet Archive.
- Bengalilol 1y ago
  FWIW, it's "them" https://archive.org/details/@icw_nru https://archive.org/details/@icw_nru
- icw_nru 1y ago
  The whistleblowers mentioned in this article.
heddel 1y ago
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myrmidon 1y ago
Is there any info on the language distribution of the censored content (or was this about english content only)? Are there random (or cherry picked) examples of censored content somewhere? Is anything known about the selection process (just keyword based? more sophisticated?). This talks about the dangers of manipulating public opinion and poisoning future automatic classifications, but how effective were the 'Israelis specifically with that (on a spectrum from "censors everything that contains the words river+sea" to "picks censorship targets strategically in order to shift discourse/opinion in favor of Israel")?
- icw_nru 1y ago
  The language of the posts is usually representative of the user country. E.g. USA=English, Egypt=Arabic. However, on aggregate, the majority of posts taken down are from middle eastern countries, and are mostly arabic language. Please see "random/cherry picked" examples from human rights watches report mentioned in the bottom of the article. To quote: "Of the 1,050 cases reviewed for this report, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine that was censored or otherwise unduly suppressed, while one case involved removal of content in support of Israel."
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mrs6969 1y ago

This is a big deal. Great work!

reactordev 1y ago

I don’t think it’s just Israel. I think more countries (cough cough) are doing this. Why would they all show up on Inauguration Day? Yeah… I have no proof, only suspicion. You can easily skirt “The Algorithm” using VPNs and get vastly different content.

icw_nru 1y ago
Many many countries are doing this, which is shown in figure 5. However, no other country comes close to the amount of censorship done by Israel. Additionally, most countries primarily do internal censorship. Again, Israel is the only country that is censoring other countries to this great extent. And almost all of it is related to the ongoing events.
- wk_end 1y ago
  Why does Figure 5 only include those eight countries?
  - icw_nru 1y ago
    The report focused on the top 8 country governments who use the content enforcement system the most at Meta. The countries selected aren't random.
- ttemPumpinRary 1y ago
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  - msgodel 1y ago
    Not saying I agree with it but if it's true censored people who have concrete evidence it's happening probably are going to continuously shout it from the rooftops until they feel their neighbors are sufficiently aware.
  - pillefitz 1y ago
    Well, Israel does manipulate the media, no need to come up with strawmen

notavalleyman 1y ago

Where in the linked pdf is any evidence that the reported content was actually innocent? If the content which Israel reported to meta was truly pro-terror, then surely there's no problem here - a nation who is the target of a terrorist group, can spend their taxes reducing pro-terror group content online. It's only a problem if, as the report alleges, the content was not pro-terror, but that's not actually evidenced anywhere

icw_nru 1y ago
Human rights watch's report covers more individual examples. To quote: "Of the 1,050 cases reviewed for this report, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine that was censored or otherwise unduly suppressed, while one case involved removal of content in support of Israel." This leak aims at looking at the bigger picture across all of Meta's 3 billion users. Of course, Meta can chose examples of actually violating posts removed and show that as counter proof, or even posts that are violating that are not yet removed. But anyone familiar with how ML models work knows that false positives / false negatives exists. Its the degree to which the ML models primarily censor almost any content related to Israel/Palestine, the systemic nature of targeting specific countries, such as Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, and the fact that per-capita, Israel is the country that most abuses the content enforcement system (3x more than any other country).
- notavalleyman 1y ago
  > Of course, Meta can chose examples of actually violating posts removed and show that are counter proof, or even posts that are violating that are not yet removed No, meta don't need to prove anything to anyone. It's you who alleges that the content should have stayed up, so what's your evidence? You're telling me I need to go and read a HRW pdf instead? Okay where is that?
  - text0404 1y ago
    google search for "human rights watch israel censorship" turned this up: https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2023/12/ip_meta1223%20web.pdf https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2023/12/ip_met... check "illustrative examples" section.

kiwikan 1y ago

will probably get flagged in a couple of hours as usual, HN censorship

freedomben 1y ago
I disagree with the rampant flagging practices that many HNers engage in, but I do think it's worth noting that it's not always "censorship" as much as it is people pre-flagging topics that are likely to result in a contentious flamewar in the comment section. Of course plenty of stories are killed because they go against the narrative that a particular reader likes, so there definitely is some censorship, but it's a lot more nuanced than that IMHO.
- lossolo 1y ago
  > s people pre-flagging topics that are likely to result in a contentious flamewar in the comment section. I’ve never understood this argument: if you don’t want to participate in a discussion, then don’t, but why stop others from doing so? No one is obligated to click into the comments section, read, or take part in any discussion on HN. Even when discussions get heated, in my experience they’re still better than similar discussions elsewhere on the internet. > Of course plenty of stories are killed because they go against the narrative that a particular reader likes, so there definitely is some censorship I think this is the main reason for flagging.
  - freedomben 1y ago
    Completely agree with you about why pre-flagging topics is silly. I get that people love echo chambers for many reasons, but it doesn't seem that hard to me to just not read a thread that bothers you
- mvdtnz 1y ago
  If you don't think there's active censorship of certain topics from HN leadership you're naive beyond belief. There's a reason that most of the topics that get auto-flagged also happen to be a threat to the financial interests of YC and its backers.

nkmnz 1y ago

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mattfrommars 1y ago

Are we really shocked by this? It's screaming obvious but we still have many people whose head is buried deep in the sand. Israel have claimed the title to start worlds first live stream genocide. It took them long time to get to where they are and know they will be forgiven. It's crazy to think but is true, they have normalized killing of Palestinians.

rsoto2 1y ago
Ycombinator hosted an Israeli soldier AMA while he was in gaza terrorizing people, our industry is full of genocide-apologists.
- xinuc 1y ago
  There are lots of them in this very site. That's why most posts about ongoing genocide voted down immediately. This post is ranked very low, most likely it's getting lots of down vote.
- pbiggar 1y ago
  Can you share more about this?
  - rsoto2 1y ago
    I tried looking for it but it might have been deleted. It was pretty much "I'm an IDF soldier in Gaza AMA" Absolutely vile.
    - pbiggar 1y ago
      This is all I found https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/1b71unn/im_an_idf_soldier_in_gaza_ama/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/1b71unn/im_an_idf_sold... To be clear, you're saying YC hosted a soldier for an AMA? Where? Like as a speaker, or in Bookface, or what?

lenerdenator 1y ago

I'm not sure how effective it was; I've seen plenty of content related to Gaza on Meta platforms, and I'm located in the US. It's also worth noting that there are two very different groups of people sharing information about what's happening in Gaza: 1) People internationally who would like to see international laws enforced against Israel (and, likely, Hamas) given their conduct on October 7th, 2023 and later 2) People who have a real problem with the existence of Israel on a basis that have far less to do with international law and norms and far more to do with its nature as a Jewish state. This makes it harder to moderate content about what's happening in the region to everyone's satisfaction.

jordanb 1y ago
> less to do with international law and norms and far more to do with its nature as a Jewish state Explicit ethnostates are against law and norms.
- lenerdenator 1y ago
  Then we've got a very, very long list of countries to act against.
  - text0404 1y ago
    alternatively, the US could just not dump billions of dollars in aid and weapons to those countries. social media companies could strengthen their content moderation systems against these kinds of state-sponsored attacks. no need to "act against" anyone.
    - lenerdenator 1y ago
      That would, again, mean not engaging with most countries on Earth, because most of them are, or have at least some qualities of, being ethnostates, religious states, or some other combination of putting one group above another in society based on immutable characteristics or characteristics of conscience. If you're not Han in the PRC, they're going to try to "normalize" you in the direction of acting like you're Han. If you're not ethnic Russian, same with you in Russia. The only way to keep the former Yugoslavia from continuing to be a bloodbath was by essentially setting up ethnostates. And, yes, all of them use or have used violence to enforce these conditions.

pbiggar 1y ago

I haven't had time to dig into the report, but this is utterly unsurprising given previous reports, and due to employee and former employee whistleblowers. See also: - From 7amleh: Erased and Suppressed: Palestinian Testimonies of Meta's Censorship: https://7amleh.org/post/erased-and-suppressed-palestinian-testimonies-of-meta-s-censorship-en https://7amleh.org/post/erased-and-suppressed-palestinian-te... - AJ+ documentary "Inside Israel's Influence on Meta": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12btf2Oq820 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12btf2Oq820

wk_end 1y ago

I say this not in defence of the Israelis (ab)use of Meta's takedown system, nor in defence of the Israelis conduct towards Palestinians: this is low-quality, sensationalist work. ICW claims to be an "organization of independent journalists", but typos and grammatical errors are rampant, which I wouldn't expect from actual professional writers - unless the term "journalist" is being abused here. Along those lines, serious journalists would not attempt to blackmail a multibillion dollar company like this: > The motivation behind these leaks is the following: Stop all involvement with the Israeli government and their current genocide in Gaza. Until then, more leaks will be dropped. With each leak exposing a different aspect of corruption from censorship, to AI, to financial crimes. The actual contents of the "leaks" aren't really new - the Israeli government has been making sweeping takedown requests to Meta to suppress material related to the war in Gaza. This was already well-known - see, for instance, HRW's report on this from 2023, itself cited in this report. What makes this sensationalist is the conspiratorial thinking that follows and is embedded throughout. There's certainly something interesting and dystopian about how Meta uses machine learning to extrapolate from successful human-verified takedown requests to begin automating acceptance of takedown requests, and how this creates, as an inevitable consequence, a kind of "censorship machine". But this is framed (without evidence) as a kind of "data poisoning" conspiracy - the Israeli intelligence agencies and perhaps Meta in tandem working to deliberately ensure this censorship is automated. When, of course, even if Meta wasn't using machine learning to automate this process, the Israeli agencies would almost certainly still be issuing these sweeping requests. And, conversely, with or without the Israeli takedown requests, there's no doubt Meta would be using ML to automate the takedown process at their scale. No conspiracy is necessary - the authors might do well to read Manufacturing Consent. Even more absurdly, they "hypothesis [sic]" that "Israeli government [sic] must have insiders at Meta’s integrity organization in the form of individual contributor engineers who advised the Israeli cyberunit on how to abuse the content moderation system."; no evidence is presented for this claim. Silly accusations and inferences like this are strewn throughout the paper, such as when it expresses shock that the Israeli government uses a form letter to submit the takedown requests. It also veers outright into "10/7 Truther" territory: > Throughout this reporting dataset, we see massive drops in reports on every 7th day. This of course corresponds to Shabbat or Saturday, the day which Jews refrain from work activities. However, October 7 2023 is also on Shabbat, so it's interesting to see that on this day of rest, and facing an overwhelming attack: 1. Both the IDF cyberunit division and Israeli attorney’s office were prepared and collaborating on that day to message Meta out of all organizations. 2. The IDF cyberunit division already had developed a new strategy of censoring countries that are not even involved in the attack like Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan. The obvious explanation for this is that it's precisely because they were "facing an overwhelming attack" that the Israelis were working on the weekend. It's not surprising in the slightest that they had emergency procedures, either. The HRW report had its own issues, but it was at least a serious attempt by serious people to understand the scale of the Israeli operation. By comparison, this is amateur work by amateurs.

icw_nru 1y ago

I do want to mention one more thing. There are more leaks that will be shared in the coming days. Many of which are related to mass censorship, theft, fraud going on at Meta. This is just one leak related to censorship and Israel. There are still more.

kspacewalk2 1y ago
Can you tell us a bit about ICW? Does it have a website? Where does its funding come from? What is NRU?
- icw_nru 1y ago
  ICW was created with the purpose of exposing corruption related to government and anything tech related. We focus on high quality investigative work. By quality, I mean actually running experiments and going beyond surface level analysis. While everyone has their own biases/leanings, we try to separate our investigations from our opinions (which we do provide in a clearly labeled separate section, usually called "Discussions"). As you can see from our post timelines, I spend months doing this kind of investigative work. And it takes 100+ hours to do a proper investigation, let alone write the actual report. You can check out our previous investigations here: The Youtube Algorithm and Manufacturing Consent (https://archive.org/details/youtube-icw https://archive.org/details/youtube-icw) - We collected the worlds largest Youtube recommendation dataset using a custom built watch bot. We concluded that almost all Youtube users are 1-click away from far-right radicalizing videos. What can we learn from the Andrew Tate data breach (https://archive.org/details/tate_data_breach/ https://archive.org/details/tate_data_breach/) - We looked at the leaks of Andrew Tate's school and calculated through simulations exactly how much money he was making from the project, and allude to what this may mean for his taxes. We also run a state-of-the-art analysis into what kind of posts people make there, as well as survey the user demographics. We do not currently have a website. And have had $0 funding so far. So entirely out of pocket. From the beginning we opened donations via BTC and ETH, but didn't receive anything yet. I am NRU (alias) the lead investigator with a background in AI. I am currently driving the entire investigation for these projects. I occasionally collaborate with Drop Site News and BBC for some of the work we do. You can contact us with: - https://bsky.app/profile/icw-nru.bsky.social https://bsky.app/profile/icw-nru.bsky.social - icw_nru@protonmail.com

WhereIsTheTruth 1y ago

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xinayder 1y ago
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nahuel0x 1y ago

What Israel does in the digital space to cover his Gaza genocide is Goebbels for the 21st Century.

torium 1y ago
Absolutely. Furthermore I've started hearing people calling it "the Palestinian Holocaust" (I think it's entirely fitting). Israel has owned that word for very long as has used it as an asset that they milk. It's about time they lose ownership.
- halflife 1y ago
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  - torium 1y ago
    > halflife > 50% of all the Jews worldwide were wiped out by their own countrymen during the holocaust. Less than 5% of Gaza was killed. Russia lost more than 10% of its population in WW2, would that be considered holocaust? If you wanna throw numbers at me you need to first clarify what percentage of innocent killing you find acceptable.
    - halflife 1y ago
      Well, what is your standard for holocaust?
      - torium 1y ago
        I asked first. You didn't answer so I don't feel the need to answer either. Also, your disingenuity (implying without stating that 5% is small) already convinced me that you're not in good faith, so this wouldn't be productive anyway.
        halflife 1y ago

bluecalm 1y ago

Isn't it because Israel does propaganda at state level while pro-Palestinian groups do it via other channels? On my FB wall Israel is losing. I see several pro-Palestinians posts every day and I am yet to see one pro Israel one. Not a single one came from my friend or people in my groups. I am not interested in seeing neither side's propaganda.

ttemPumpinRary 1y ago
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seydor 1y ago

I m not surprised a bit by this. Meta has again and again shown that they have no scruples and no moral compass. But it's surprising how little knowledge about it and reaction there is from its users, who are otherwise very very critical when "mainstream media" does propaganda on them. It's probably because FB takes a very low key approach with branding and tries to make itself transparent to its users.

djfobbz 1y ago

This is just the tip of the iceberg...oh the irony!

heddel 1y ago
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mapotofu 1y ago

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. @dang and team I think the community would be interested to know the activity around this post, including moderation efforts. I’ve been doing cursory refreshes and seeing what I would consider “brigading”, but I could just be paranoid. Anyone else have the same questions? I’ll be emailing later and encourage others to do the same.

alangibson 1y ago
Massive respect to dang et al, but a blind man can see that posts about Gaza get brigaded. We would all love to see a report on unusual activity in regards to posts on Gaza.
- torium 1y ago
  Yes. The longest comment on this thread starts out by saying there's so many typos. These might not be state actors, but like you said, a blind man can see that when someone's comment on genocide is "the article has so many typos", that person already started out with the conclusion.
  - wk_end 1y ago
    Oh, hey, that's my comment. As mentioned in my reply to you downthread, the issue with all of the spelling and grammar mistakes - as is clear from the comment itself - is that it belies the authors' claims of being actual "journalists". If they had been upfront and described themselves as Russian hackers or whatever it wouldn't really have been of note. But, in terms of credibility, this becomes something of a double-sin: to claim that you're a journalist implies that you adhere to a certain set of journalistic ethics; to lie about being a journalist means that not only do you not adhere to those ethics, it also means that you're a liar, which makes all of your claims suspect. I think calling this out on an HN post is worthwhile. Second of all, it may be the longest comment on the thread, but it's never been a particularly popular one, so I wouldn't draw too many inferences about foreign influence on HN from it. The post's karma, which I care way too much about, has wavered between -1 and I think 2, which doesn't exactly suggest there's a whole lot of brigading going on for my benefit. That doesn't imply that there's no brigading going on on HN - dang knows more about that than I do. Clearly Israel engages in attempting to control the narrative online, and there's clearly spaces on Reddit for example where they succeed quite well. HN is quite a bit smaller and more carefully moderated, though. That said, I've been on HN for a while, so I guess I'll say that I've noticed it's not hard for a post to get flagged; it wouldn't surprise me at all if something as contentious as the textbook example for contentious topics could organically end up getting flagged/vouched back to life a lot. > a blind man can see that when someone's comment on genocide is "the article has so many typos", that person already started out with the conclusion. Of course, it goes without saying, but that's not my "comment on genocide", nor is it more than a fraction of a fraction of my comment on the article itself. I don't really appreciate the strawman, and I'll point out that in your comments to me you explicitly vouch for starting from the conclusion, so I think you might be projecting.

Fizzadar 1y ago

Unsurprisingly this has been buried on HN, plenty of posts with way fewer votes per time on page 1. The censorship is everywhere. Utterly depressing.

doka_smoka 1y ago
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swed420 1y ago
This is the main reason I browse HN via https://hckrnews.com https://hckrnews.com so that my "front page" cannot be tampered with by HN. Plus, much easier to see where you left off from last time.
- ClickedUp 1y ago
  Worth mentioning Hacker News Removals as well: https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals "List of stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time."

alangibson 1y ago

Massive respect to dang et al, but a blind man can see that posts about Gaza get brigaded. We would all love to see a report on unusual activity in regards to posts on Gaza.

pbiggar 1y ago
Dang admitted they're getting brigaded months ago. They've chosen to do nothing about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435024 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435024
- computerthings 1y ago
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- e40 1y ago
  It clearly says they are doing something, turning off the bans on certain subjects.
  - pbiggar 1y ago
    Occasionally, when it comes to their attention, often after the reach has been lost.

hhcoder 1y ago

Hey, please share the leaks as soon as possible. HN is compromised too and they demoted your post.

icw_nru 1y ago
Thanks for sharing your concern. We will post soon, and the leak will always be there on our BlueSky feed. https://bsky.app/profile/icw-nru.bsky.social https://bsky.app/profile/icw-nru.bsky.social
- icw_nru 1y ago
  I tried reposting this on Reddit and my post got autodeleted in 1 second. Which is unusual because I have posted on reddit before. " Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit’s filters. " Can anyone help on this? I tried on r/technology r/truereddit r/global_news_hub Without fail, every single time it gets removed instantly.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    reddit is much better with detection of bots and propaganda.
  - amy_petrik 1y ago
    >" Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit’s filters. " >Can anyone help on this? >Without fail, every single time it gets removed instantly. Hello, yes, I can help! You see, dark pattern algorithms found that polarization, infuriation, etc maximizes engagement maximizes profit. Reddit specializes in the deletion / banning meta, which is yet another form of engagement maximization. Are you not frustrated? Are you not so compelled to return to reddit, to finally succeed with your post, to drink that precious updoot milkshake? --- A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
  - ndkap 1y ago
    It may be because the account you used to post is relatively new or that you tried to post the same thing across multiple subreddits.

hhcoder 1y ago

@icw_nru we need a way to stay connected in case they take down your profile. Please provide a secure avenue for communication.

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lovegrenoble 1y ago

Stop Gaza genocide

mrs6969 1y ago

The fact that many pro israel person believes they are the right side, and we just don’t get it.. is just bothering. Literally every sane human being there is seeing what is going on, yet they refuse to see. Really interesting; especially when you think people used to question how germans followed hitler, and did not see what is going on. I think we all saw how such might happen these days. Also the fact is; this whole thing will be considered as a genocide, will be told for generations. Palestinian holocoust will he the new one told in the ‘not again’ lessons, and name ‘israel’ will live with it.

mvdtnz 1y ago
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- righthand 1y ago
  They are also the only people fighting for that population. Israel has global military power as their shield. A people that’s been whittled down to almost nothing using 1000x worse tactics and you’re criticizing the very little they can do to fight back. To the point that you’re rooting for Israel to kill more people. If you believe Israels genocide has anything to do with eliminating Hamas or hostages and is justified, then you’re part of the problem.
- buyucu 1y ago
  Radical Zionism is the greatest threat to humanity. These zealots will try to kill anyone who does not participate in their 3000 year old fairytales.

johntarter 1y ago

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lenerdenator 1y ago
The first casualty of war is the truth, and the first weapon used is projection. Ultimately the conflict is two sides using similar information tactics to achieve sympathy for their ethnostate in what was Mandatory Palestine.
- nielsbot 1y ago
  Are you saying the Palestinians also want an "ethnostate"?
  - lenerdenator 1y ago
    ... yeah? I thought that was fairly common knowledge. [0] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism
    - nielsbot 1y ago
      I don't think it's common knowledge. But "both sidesing" this in the context of Israel's intended ethnic cleansing of Gaza and annexation of the West Bank is a distraction from the problem at hand.
maxglute 1y ago
Frequently. But sometimes reality also simply has an anti-US interest bias. US lawmakers bitch about TikTok being pro-Palestine - the reality is the global narrative DEFAULT CONSENSUS _should_ be pro-Palestine / anti Israel / anti-Zionism / or anti-semitic for the simple mathematic reality that there is a fuckload more Muslims than jews, and a fuckload of other cohorts including in the west that are anti-Israel for variety of reasons. It takes extraordinary level information shaping, like that done by Meta and US platforms to censor what should be obviously unfiltered / plurality / default global opinion. For pro-Palestine narratives to take over, all TikTok had to do was nothing, vs Meta+US platforms has to coordinate global censorship / media filtering campaign. Cue US think tanks writing retarded reports that muh PRC is spreading pro-Palestinian propaganda when they're just not actively supressing it like US platforms are. Same with linked report, "funding" pro-Palestinian activism - a billionaire American maoist / activists using his resources to operate out of PRC where he is based (why is he based there?), as if PRC need US private money for propaganda. Of course the real downstream question is whether "information filtering" is good for American voters and American interest. Truth is a casualty of war blah blah but ostensibly US is not at war. Except US has been at some sort of war for most of last 100 years and Americans seem pretty tired of it.

righthand 1y ago

People should be aware too that OpenWeb is owned by Israeli’s and that platform has swept all the major news sites as the comment system. The platform partakes in HEAVY automoderation, so much so that it is hard to post anything constructive. However plenty of inflammatory coded stuff gets through. There should be a push to abandon OpenWeb.

kotaKat 1y ago
I would love a further investigation into how lopsided their moderation is, too. This Unit 8200 shit is for the birds.

leoh 1y ago

This is a super lame post. It’s not a “leak”, it’s an analysis someone did without citing any sources except one report a few years ago. Moreover, without question ISIS and other terror entities are certainly responsible for some number of the posts that were flagged on Facebook. I’m sure the state department has asked Facebook to remove many anti-US posts abroad. That’s the way the world works. Just look at Google’s history in China. It’s been a really shitty issue in general for a while. Making this some special sort of thing about Israel is ridiculous. That said, I fully expect to be downvoted to oblivion.

WhereIsTheTruth 1y ago

Interesting, seems to contradict with actual facts Who says the truth? https://mronline.org/2022/07/14/meet-the-ex-cia-agents-deciding-facebooks-content-policy/ https://mronline.org/2022/07/14/meet-the-ex-cia-agents-decid...

cooloo 1y ago

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culi 1y ago
This is an incredibly racist comment that has no place on this website