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GrapheneOS says "European authoritarians and their enablers in the media are misrepresenting GrapheneOS and even Pixel phones as if they're something for crimi
by patchtopic 1y ago
GrapheneOS says
"European authoritarians and their enablers in the media are misrepresenting GrapheneOS and even Pixel phones as if they're something for criminals. GrapheneOS is opposed to the mass surveillance police state these people want to impose on everyone"
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784469162979608 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784469162979608
State employees in their official capacity making inaccurate claims to media about GrapheneOS to smear it as being for criminals and as the users as largely being criminals is a state sponsored attack on the GrapheneOS project.
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114813613250805804 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114813613250805804
- tempera 1y ago[dead]
- johnisgood 1y agoAnd at the same time: > GrapheneOS is not immune to exploitation, but the fearmongering done in these ongoing attacks on it is very clearly fabricated. They feel threatened enough by GrapheneOS to engage in coordinated attempts at convincing people that it's unable to protect their privacy and security. So... they (cops and friends) are saying that GrapheneOS is for criminals, AND that it does not work at protecting anyone's privacy and is not for security. Amazing. See: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784553445461948 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784553445461948 and the rest.
- kspacewalk2 1y agoFridges are for criminals too. The very good ones can keep the severed body parts cold for longer, thus preventing spoilage and reports of foul odours from downstairs neighbours. Will Frigidaire and Bosch stop selling this criminal technology to criminals?
- johnisgood 1y agoUK should have an answer to that (see: knives). :D They really are absurd.
- paulryanrogers 1y agoCan I take a moment to say how jealous I am that the UK's mass attack problem is largely about knives and not guns? Here in the land of more-guns-than-humans it feels so much more bleak.
- johnisgood 1y agoYeah, but knives have a wide range of use, whereas guns do not. You cannot buy a kitchen knife because people MAY use it cause harm. It is like forbidding the use of roads because it MAY be used to <insert illegal activity here>. Uses (usage?) of roads are even more broad than uses of knives. I think it is easier to argue in favor of knives (or against the prohibition of ... of knives) than guns, for this reason alone.
- olddustytrail 1y ago> You cannot buy a kitchen knife because people MAY use it cause harm. Yes I can. I have knives I bought recently in my kitchen. How could you possibly believe that people in the UK can't buy knives? Do you realise how foolish that sounds?
- johnisgood 1y ago> Do you realise how foolish that sounds? The irony. Just as foolish as these ways are to prevent violence. These criminals might switch to forks, better get your Government get one step ahead of them. And no, you cannot buy kitchen knives if you are under a certain age, it is ought to prevent a lot of crimes, I am sure.
- olddustytrail 1y ago
- sharperguy 1y agoA better analogy would be a balaclava. Lots of legitimate uses but it's uncommon to see people wearing them day to day and is very popular with criminals. But we don't imagine we could ban balaclavas to prevent crime.
- aredox 1y agoBut if the police asks you to remove your balaclava, you can only do so.
- fifticon 1y agoIt depends on what you mean by 'ban'. In the country where I live (Denmark), they are very much banned, unless you can demonstrate your legitimate current use case for them. In particular, you are not allowed to wear them in public places where people gather or gather in groups. And 'beating up cops anonymously' is not an approved use case :-) The rule as I understand it, also covers [sic] extreme religious dress rules for women. Here is the relevant section from our current laws: https://danskelove.dk/straffeloven/134b https://danskelove.dk/straffeloven/134b
- robertlagrant 1y agoI used to wear one as a kid in the UK in the winter. They weren't invented for crime.
- Y_Y 1y ago> They weren't invented for crime. Not literally, but there was some criminally bad warfare going on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Balaclava https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Balaclava
- johnisgood 1y agoMay I ask what it has to do with the mask?
- TheNewsIsHere 1y agoI think the best way to prevent the sale of crime fridges to criminals would be to have national governments integrate the entirety of data that each nation has, from every level, on every citizen. Then we can create an API which market participants like Frigidaire and Bosch can use to query whether a purchase should be permitted based on the purchaser. /s, if not obvious. Strange times.
- harvey9 1y agoI bought a used fridge and flashed it with a custom ROM
- throwing_away 1y agoI think all reasonable citizens could agree that a simple licensure for fridge ownership is for the best. Besides, we can use the extra license taxes from people with multiple fridges to raise funds for the schools. You don't hate the children, do you?
- johnisgood 1y agoExactly, and I hope we keep track of all fridge purchases with biometrics from customers (and as thus, should not be able to order from online). That better be hooked up to an API that the cops can query at any time.
- dessimus 1y agoDon't forget about range tops: they are used for cooking, and what is "cooked"? Methamphetamines. When will the police stop Big Appliance! /s
- deaddodo 1y agoThe base purpose of a range top is cooking. The base purpose of a gun is shooting things, generally living breathing ones. I could kill a guy with a stick, a rock, a frying pan, a blanket, etc…pretty much most things; however, none of those things exist expressly for that purpose. Simple concept, huh?
- johnisgood 1y agoThat is what I have been trying to say, too.
- voxic11 1y agoMy guns are made for hunting, are your saying they should be exempted from this discussion (are you only talking about handguns and automatic rifles)?
- deaddodo 1y ago> The base purpose of a gun is shooting things, generally living breathing ones. Sounds like your hunting rifle still qualifies.
- qualeed 1y agoI think people are misinterpreting your comment? Or I am. What I think you are saying is: The police are arguing both sides (in typical fashion). On one side, the police say that GrapheneOS is for criminals because of its privacy, etc. However the police are also trying to convince people that GrapheneOS is not private or secure, in an attempt to sway people from using it.
- johnisgood 1y agoYes, the police are arguing both sides, according to what I have read[1], and that they are not doing it in English but in other languages, e.g. Swedish. I am not sure why I am getting down-voted though. [1] https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784488424006190 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784488424006190 and so forth.
- qualeed 1y ago>I am not sure why I am getting down-voted though. My guess is the ambiguous use of "they", interpreting "they" as GrapheneOS instead of the police. That makes it seem like you are criticizing GrapheneOS rather than the police.
- johnisgood 1y agoI edited my comment. I thought it was obvious because it was the police claiming the former, and connected the two with an "AND". I was not criticizing GrapheneOS. Thanks!
- antonvs 1y agoIt was obvious, people just have terrible reading comprehension, and they also don't read to the end of a comment if something near the beginning triggers them.
- johnisgood 1y agoI came to the same conclusion based on some of the comments addressed to me. It is like they did not even bother reading the comment to which I replied, or the last 2 comments.
- t_mahmood 1y agoIt's like my bank's application, your mobile with all the latest security update is prohibited, because the bootloader is unlocked. But your 6-year-old mobile that received its last security update 3/4 years ago is fine!
- hluska 1y agoThis whole thing is quite the stretch. Someone who clearly has no idea what they’re talking about acted like a know it all on a forum. I don’t see how that’s evidence of a coordinated attack. Police saying dumb things about security tech is nothing new either nor is it a smoking gun. Occam’s razor applies even when we want to believe a cool story.
- NoGravitas 1y ago> “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.” - Umberto Eco, Ur-Fascism
- giantg2 1y agoThis is basically the ploy with many secure phones - say it's for criminals but actually have a backdoor for law enforcement. I wonder if there's some exploit on the Pixel or Graphene that law enforcement is now aware of.
- reverendsteveii 1y agowell if it doesn't work for protecting your data it doesn't work for protecting criminals' data as well, right? or is this a lot less about making rational sense and a lot more about manufacturing consent to violate our rights?
- redeeman 1y ago[flagged]
- qualeed 1y ago>(all) european governments are terrorist organisations I'm all for criticizing government actions, trust me, but can we try to make thoughtful criticisms that represent reality? Or, at the very least, if you're going to use terms as heavy as "terrorist organization", can you provide some more rationale? Like, how do you arrive at equating all EU governments to terrorists?
- GordonS 1y ago[flagged]
- gruez 1y ago>When the EU literally supports terrorism, ??? Is just an inflammatory way to reference some culture war issue like "EU condemns Israel" or whatever?
- GordonS 1y agoApartheid, genocide and war crimes are not "culture war" issues.
- reliabilityguy 1y agoSo, basically anyone who pays taxes in the EU supports terrorism now?
- KetoManx64 1y agoIf the mafia comes to your door and tells you that you need to pay them 50% of your income or they will come to your house and drag you to prison at gunpoint and shoot you if you resist, are you technically supporting the mafia's crimes when you pay them?
- KingOfCoders 1y ago"being criminals is a state sponsored attack on the GrapheneOS project." Yes, I know, age of hyperbole, but a state sponsored attack on the project is mass arrests, blocking of funds etc. Graphene does their PR, the police does their PR. Both have different views on the world.
- Forgeties79 1y agoThat's a very high bar for "state sponsored attack." I'd say the various internet ID verification laws being rolled out qualify as a state sponsored attack on our privacy/individual rights writ large.
- KingOfCoders 1y agoAnd that's a very low bar for "state sponsored attack". Essentially everything you disagree with that the state does is a "state sponsored attack." This muddies the waters and when there is a "state sponsored attack" on a group of people, everyone is numb and we're out of words.
- Forgeties79 1y ago“Attack” doesn’t exclusively mean physical assault/restraining people. It’s called a “DDoS attack” after all. You’re creating a strict and narrow definition that most of the world does not subscribe to. If I say “stop attacking me” during a heated argument no one thinks you’re physically assaulting me. That would be ridiculous.
- chasil 1y agoI have never been to Spain, and I have only slight familiarity with issues in Barcelona and greater Catalonia, but this gives me pause: "There’s a bitter irony here, too, as GrapheneOS recently pointed out in a tweet. The Spanish region of Catalonia was at the center of the massive Pegasus spyware scandal in 2019. "Pegasus, a sophisticated surveillance tool sold exclusively to governments, was reportedly used to hack phones belonging to Members of the European Parliament and eavesdrop on their communications. Yet, police in this very region are now scrutinizing savvy Pixel and GrapheneOS users for hardening their devices against unlawful surveillance and other attack vectors."
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoAll this surveillance tech and law enforcement still don't know who the child abusers on the Epstein list/island were. Something tells me domestic surveillance is only applied to peasants not the wealthy and powerful.
- sitkack 1y agoOh they know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjPHq-Ez0nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjPHq-Ez0nc
- hluska 1y agoOr maybe the democracies at the centre of the Epstein issue have constitutional protections limiting how dragnets get used.
- lawlessone 1y agowhat is five eyes?
- hluska 1y agoFive Eyes is (or was, as its status is undetermined) an intelligence sharing agreement between the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Each nation has to abide by its own constitution and intelligence gathering limits. For example, the United States generally refrains from sharing intelligence on American citizens with other Five Eyes partners. Canada generally won’t share information on people who only hold Canadian citizenship, etc. Couldn’t you have googled that?
- s_dev 1y agoBasically the same old argument that Linux is used by black hat hackers. It probably is but it's focus on security and privacy makes that so not that it's designed with nefarious purposes in mind. To us this is obvious but to lay people the nuance is lost.
- benreesman 1y agoKnowing my chosen configuration of phone stymies law enforcement overreach enough that criminals use same one? I chose wisely. Cops think I did something wrong? Show up at my house with a warrant. There are all kinds of ways that its easy to tell if someone is acting like a criminal, like trying to get and serve a warrant for their arrest. Can't get a warrant without a warrantless wiretap? Fuck off then.
- PicassoCTs 1y agoSo, can i be the voice of reason here? The Panopticon is unavoidable! Everyone who has a spark of self-preservation in himself, knows it already. Technology has given the individual insane powers to take down state-level actors (drones in shipping lanes) and soon the whole planet(mirror life etc.). We can no longer afford privacy, as sad as this is. Privacy was a luxury we had, while we could bribe the better angels of our nature with the surplus of the past and while technology was something, that did not scale. Now a terrorist could take a army of tanks while besieging a city. All the other justifications for a Panopticon are flimsy, but the fact that technology - our savior from savagery, has turned around and bit the hand it was supposed to feed, justifies the thing.