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https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/issues/192 https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/issues/192 I don't know if this style of... discussion is something th

https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/issues/192 https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/issues/192 I don't know if this style of... discussion is something the Cluely team made popular recently, or if it took off sooner, but I really hope it doesn't catch on further.

edoceo 1y ago
That thread is trash. If anyone is looking for tips on what to NOT do, it's a gold mine.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  You are mentioning as to what Zaid did, right?
  - edoceo 1y ago
    Yes
arp242 1y ago
Cluely seems sort of AI tool? How does that relate to that thread?
- Thorrez 1y ago
  I guess their team posts stuff in a style like that sometimes. E.g. https://x.com/cluely/status/1932966330904506501 https://x.com/cluely/status/1932966330904506501
- SpaceNoodled 1y ago
  Not a cluely
lucideer 1y ago
Did anyone read that linked thread in full? There's no "style of discussion" there, there's a lot of people engaging in a very normal, constructive discussion, which is being interupted by a single disruptive commenter (Zaid). Nothing there seems to reflect poorly on the project as far as I can tell?
- lpln3452 1y ago
  "A single disruptive commenter (Zaid)" And he is one of the top contributors. That doesn't quite fit the narrative that it was just some weirdo interfering.
  - cheschire 1y ago
    “Top contributor” is being rather generous there. He just committed several really tiny changes to the CI https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/graphs/contributors https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/graphs/contributors https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/commits?author=Zaid-maker https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/commits?author=Zaid-m...
  - Lutger 1y ago
    According to github insights, he contributed 66 lines of code. I mean, it could be really valuable 66 lines, especially if he fixed bugs. Somehow I doubt it. However, I'd get rid of this 'contributor' asap if I was a maintainer.
AlienRobot 1y ago
Wow.
zipping1549 1y ago
Huge red flag. I doubt actual good product is coming out from a person with that much attitude on anywhere, let alone their project's issues...
- Aurornis 1y ago
  Hard to tell who’s who, but the Zaid person who claims to be a maintainer is apparently not a maintainer. He contributed some small changes and started claiming to be a maintainer.
  - dizhn 1y ago
    Whoever else is the one with authority isn't doing anything about it either. So.
- NackerHughes 1y ago
  Let me introduce you to OpenCart, an open source eCommerce platform in use on hundreds of thousands of websites handling customer payments, recently struck a multi-million dollar deal with PayPal, and whose founder and practically sole developer responds to bug reports and CVEs with careful, well-thought-out replies like "JUST FUCK OFF!": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7526498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7526498 https://archive.is/9bHTi https://archive.is/9bHTi (archived version of github issue linked in above thread) https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/24/opencart_vulnerability_dispute/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/24/opencart_vulnerabilit... https://github.com/opencart/opencart/issues/12947#issuecomment-1811848525 https://github.com/opencart/opencart/issues/12947#issuecomme...
dqv 1y ago
> I really hope it doesn't catch on further It already has. It is the late teens/young twenties online communication style. Generally pretty aggressive, but easy to ignore because they are usually not really saying anything of substance. They are "ragebaiting" you.
- jszymborski 1y ago
  I'm sorry, but I'm not going to blame toxic culture in OSS development when it was pioneered by the greats like Torvalds https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/after-years-of-abusive-e-mails-the-creator-of-linux-steps-aside https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/after-years-of-ab...
  - dqv 1y ago
    When I see people commenting "shut your bitch ass up" (now deleted), "triggered", "keep dreaming my guy", it is distinctly generational (young gen z) to me. It is a style of communication. Torvalds may have "invented" OSS toxicity, but, as far as I can tell, he was not popping in saying SYBAU like he was commenting on a tiktok brainrot compilation.
    - Lutger 1y ago
      Not legitimizing his rants - he is a genuine asshole - but his raging is actually entertaining and more often than not, you'd learn a thing or two.
  - Gormo 1y ago
    That's been an element of internet culture at least since the early '90s. I'm surprised that it's surprising anyone.
- gorbachev 1y ago
  Flamewars were a thing long, long ago. They somewhat stopped being a thing when BBSes and Usenet died.
  - 1y ago
oefrha 1y ago
Assholes online were not “made popular recently”. Gotta love seeing a code of conduct: > We as members, contributors, and leaders pledge to make participation in our community a harassment-free experience for everyone And down in Enforcement (emphasis mine): > Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported to the community leaders responsible for enforcement at [INSERT CONTACT METHOD]. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated promptly and fairly. What’s the point of this dance when you can’t bother to fill out the contact.
- worthless-trash 1y ago
  Because the code of conduct is ONLY ever intended to be used as a sword, not as a shield.
- mrln 1y ago
  Probably because it is AI slop and no one ever read that...
- jchw 1y ago
  Honestly, how many projects with "Code of Conducts" actually use or follow them? Maybe if you're a big CNCF project or something like that, but the average GitHub project just adds one because GitHub told them to. If they were actually more about enforcing community standards and not about social signaling they'd probably just be called "contributing rules" or something boring and nondescript like how Internet rules always have been. In other words, the point of this dance is to check a box. I mean literally, GitHub will check a box in Insights -> Community Standards when you add one.
- recursive 1y ago
  I had to add a COC in order to qualify for open source hosting tier on netlify.
no_time 1y ago
Telling someone to fuck off for coming at a for fun OSS project with a trademark claim is completely reasonable.
- Uehreka 1y ago
  If it was a more legit trademark claim that would be one thing, a lot of OSS people think you can just name your project after something popular so you can coast off the reputation of the more popular product. But since this is a BS claim, I think the following approach is totally appropriate: - Have one person post the antagonistic garbage the OP deserves - Have another person play the “rear guard” and follow up with the actual legal reasons they won’t comply.
- gruez 1y ago
  Why? OSS projects aren't somehow exempt from trademark law, and at the very least can have its repo taken down. The trademark in this case might not be airtight, but that's a separate issue.
  - no_time 1y ago
    I have little respect for people petty enough to involve legalese against people doing something for free, just for the love of the game. I would let them do a takedown, just so they expend billable lawyer hours, only for me to do a search+replace and reupload under a different name out of spite.
    - monkeywork 1y ago
      Then frankly your being a child. The point isn't to shut down the project... It's asking them to change name due to trademark, and asking civilly without lawyers is nicer than most do up front.
      - Forgeties79 1y ago
        If the trademark claim is nonsense - which idk this looks pretty flimsy - i can understand the reaction
gregjw 1y ago
yeah, people have attitude problems recently
l0gicpath 1y ago
What’s Cluely? While I can google and find out I just wanted to reflect how irrelevant that name actually is for a large portion of the internet. Flamewars, internet jerks and online bullying has been around since irc. If not longer. imo looking at the thread, I see a bunch of people throwing a few strongly worded comments at each other in a typical heated discussion online. We used to call this flamewars.
- eddythompson80 1y ago
  Just another grifter
yellow_lead 1y ago
It's a small time contributor making those comments, not the maintainer.
- prmoustache 1y ago
  Who knows, maybe he is just the childish persona of the maintainer. It is rare to use more than one in a specific project but a lot of people maintain more than one persona online.

edoceo 1y ago

That thread is trash. If anyone is looking for tips on what to NOT do, it's a gold mine.

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
You are mentioning as to what Zaid did, right?
- edoceo 1y ago
  Yes

arp242 1y ago

Cluely seems sort of AI tool? How does that relate to that thread?

Thorrez 1y ago
I guess their team posts stuff in a style like that sometimes. E.g. https://x.com/cluely/status/1932966330904506501 https://x.com/cluely/status/1932966330904506501
SpaceNoodled 1y ago
Not a cluely

lucideer 1y ago

Did anyone read that linked thread in full? There's no "style of discussion" there, there's a lot of people engaging in a very normal, constructive discussion, which is being interupted by a single disruptive commenter (Zaid). Nothing there seems to reflect poorly on the project as far as I can tell?

lpln3452 1y ago
"A single disruptive commenter (Zaid)" And he is one of the top contributors. That doesn't quite fit the narrative that it was just some weirdo interfering.
- cheschire 1y ago
  “Top contributor” is being rather generous there. He just committed several really tiny changes to the CI https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/graphs/contributors https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/graphs/contributors https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/commits?author=Zaid-maker https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/commits?author=Zaid-m...
- Lutger 1y ago
  According to github insights, he contributed 66 lines of code. I mean, it could be really valuable 66 lines, especially if he fixed bugs. Somehow I doubt it. However, I'd get rid of this 'contributor' asap if I was a maintainer.

AlienRobot 1y ago

Wow.

zipping1549 1y ago

Huge red flag. I doubt actual good product is coming out from a person with that much attitude on anywhere, let alone their project's issues...

Aurornis 1y ago
Hard to tell who’s who, but the Zaid person who claims to be a maintainer is apparently not a maintainer. He contributed some small changes and started claiming to be a maintainer.
- dizhn 1y ago
  Whoever else is the one with authority isn't doing anything about it either. So.
NackerHughes 1y ago
Let me introduce you to OpenCart, an open source eCommerce platform in use on hundreds of thousands of websites handling customer payments, recently struck a multi-million dollar deal with PayPal, and whose founder and practically sole developer responds to bug reports and CVEs with careful, well-thought-out replies like "JUST FUCK OFF!": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7526498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7526498 https://archive.is/9bHTi https://archive.is/9bHTi (archived version of github issue linked in above thread) https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/24/opencart_vulnerability_dispute/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/24/opencart_vulnerabilit... https://github.com/opencart/opencart/issues/12947#issuecomment-1811848525 https://github.com/opencart/opencart/issues/12947#issuecomme...

dqv 1y ago

> I really hope it doesn't catch on further It already has. It is the late teens/young twenties online communication style. Generally pretty aggressive, but easy to ignore because they are usually not really saying anything of substance. They are "ragebaiting" you.

jszymborski 1y ago
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to blame toxic culture in OSS development when it was pioneered by the greats like Torvalds https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/after-years-of-abusive-e-mails-the-creator-of-linux-steps-aside https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/after-years-of-ab...
- dqv 1y ago
  When I see people commenting "shut your bitch ass up" (now deleted), "triggered", "keep dreaming my guy", it is distinctly generational (young gen z) to me. It is a style of communication. Torvalds may have "invented" OSS toxicity, but, as far as I can tell, he was not popping in saying SYBAU like he was commenting on a tiktok brainrot compilation.
  - Lutger 1y ago
    Not legitimizing his rants - he is a genuine asshole - but his raging is actually entertaining and more often than not, you'd learn a thing or two.
- Gormo 1y ago
  That's been an element of internet culture at least since the early '90s. I'm surprised that it's surprising anyone.
gorbachev 1y ago
Flamewars were a thing long, long ago. They somewhat stopped being a thing when BBSes and Usenet died.
- 1y ago

oefrha 1y ago

Assholes online were not “made popular recently”. Gotta love seeing a code of conduct: > We as members, contributors, and leaders pledge to make participation in our community a harassment-free experience for everyone And down in Enforcement (emphasis mine): > Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported to the community leaders responsible for enforcement at [INSERT CONTACT METHOD]. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated promptly and fairly. What’s the point of this dance when you can’t bother to fill out the contact.

worthless-trash 1y ago
Because the code of conduct is ONLY ever intended to be used as a sword, not as a shield.
mrln 1y ago
Probably because it is AI slop and no one ever read that...
jchw 1y ago
Honestly, how many projects with "Code of Conducts" actually use or follow them? Maybe if you're a big CNCF project or something like that, but the average GitHub project just adds one because GitHub told them to. If they were actually more about enforcing community standards and not about social signaling they'd probably just be called "contributing rules" or something boring and nondescript like how Internet rules always have been. In other words, the point of this dance is to check a box. I mean literally, GitHub will check a box in Insights -> Community Standards when you add one.
recursive 1y ago
I had to add a COC in order to qualify for open source hosting tier on netlify.

no_time 1y ago

Telling someone to fuck off for coming at a for fun OSS project with a trademark claim is completely reasonable.

Uehreka 1y ago
If it was a more legit trademark claim that would be one thing, a lot of OSS people think you can just name your project after something popular so you can coast off the reputation of the more popular product. But since this is a BS claim, I think the following approach is totally appropriate: - Have one person post the antagonistic garbage the OP deserves - Have another person play the “rear guard” and follow up with the actual legal reasons they won’t comply.
gruez 1y ago
Why? OSS projects aren't somehow exempt from trademark law, and at the very least can have its repo taken down. The trademark in this case might not be airtight, but that's a separate issue.
- no_time 1y ago
  I have little respect for people petty enough to involve legalese against people doing something for free, just for the love of the game. I would let them do a takedown, just so they expend billable lawyer hours, only for me to do a search+replace and reupload under a different name out of spite.
  - monkeywork 1y ago
    Then frankly your being a child. The point isn't to shut down the project... It's asking them to change name due to trademark, and asking civilly without lawyers is nicer than most do up front.
    - Forgeties79 1y ago
      If the trademark claim is nonsense - which idk this looks pretty flimsy - i can understand the reaction

gregjw 1y ago

yeah, people have attitude problems recently

l0gicpath 1y ago

What’s Cluely? While I can google and find out I just wanted to reflect how irrelevant that name actually is for a large portion of the internet. Flamewars, internet jerks and online bullying has been around since irc. If not longer. imo looking at the thread, I see a bunch of people throwing a few strongly worded comments at each other in a typical heated discussion online. We used to call this flamewars.

eddythompson80 1y ago
Just another grifter

yellow_lead 1y ago

It's a small time contributor making those comments, not the maintainer.

prmoustache 1y ago
Who knows, maybe he is just the childish persona of the maintainer. It is rare to use more than one in a specific project but a lot of people maintain more than one persona online.