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Before shipping any web site/app, make sure it works in Apple Safari Mobile is usually the one that is dragging it is foot in Web Standards.

gus_tpm 1y ago
Even in portugal/spain se have to worry about this. Safari mobile users are a minority here but they usually spend or have more money to spend
- meindnoch 1y ago
  Those stupid rich people don't know what's good for them and keep buying iPhones. I wonder why?
  - flkenosad 1y ago
    They have no friends who like them enough to help them troubleshoot their androids.
pjmlp 1y ago
On the contrary, they are the last one standing fighting Google takeover of the Web as ChromeOS development platform. Without Safari we are done, just close shop on the Web standards group.
- judge2020 1y ago
  This is a lesson in capitalism. It’s so much more profitable to ignore small users bases when you can just tell them to “try switching to Chrome”. I think you’re wrong about Safari itself being the reason chrome isn’t a 90%+ market owner; rather, it’s apple’s requirement that no other browser engine can exist on iOS.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    It is exactly the same by another words The moment Chrome gets free reign on iOS variants, it is about time to polish those CVs as ChromeOS Application Developer instead of Web Developer.
  - azinman2 1y ago
    Other browser engines can exist. JIT has to be the system’s. Others can use Apple’s JavascriptCore to gain access to it and do whatever they want on top.
    - flkenosad 1y ago
      JIT only has to belong to the system because of capitalism. If users could install whatever software they want, Apple couldn't exist.
  - nozzlegear 1y ago
    > I think you’re wrong about Safari itself being the reason chrome isn’t a 90%+ market owner; rather, it’s apple’s requirement that no other browser engine can exist on iOS. It sounds like capitalism has so far saved us from a Chrome monopoly, then.
    - mopenstein 1y ago
      Capitalism doesn't exist. The fact that trademark, copyright, and patents exist nullify capitalism. There can be no free market if your government intervenes in every transaction.
      - ako 1y ago
        True capitalism can never exist due to lack of transparency, urgency, monopolies, etc. The best we can have is government controlled capitalism.
        TeMPOraL 1y ago
        Yup. It's quite obvious that such unfettered, true capitalism quickly decays to the good ol' rule of warlords. There should be a name for this kind of fallacy, where you look at a snapshot of a dynamic system (or worse, at initial conditions), and reason from them as if they were fixed - where even mentally simulating that system a few time steps into the future makes immediately apparent that the conditions mutate and results are vastly different than expected.
        godelski 1y ago
        > True capitalism can never exist To nitpick, you mean "unfettered capitalism". As in no government involvement. Which has the identical problem to unfettered anarchy: coalitions form, creating governments. Since many markets have network effects (e.g. bulk purchasing gives lower price per unit) a monopoly tends to be one of the possible steady state solutions. But any monopoly can choose to become a governor of their market, being able to impose regulation even through means other than government (e.g. pull resources, poach, lawsuits, or even decide to operate at a loss until the competition is dead (i.e. "Silicon Valley Strategy"). I just mention this because it's not a problem exactly limited to capitalism. It's a problem that exists in many forms of government and economics (like socialism). It just relies on asymmetric power
meindnoch 1y ago
Web Standards™ [1] __________________ [1] some feature a Chrome engineer decided to implement, to boost their yearly performance review

gus_tpm 1y ago

Even in portugal/spain se have to worry about this. Safari mobile users are a minority here but they usually spend or have more money to spend

meindnoch 1y ago
Those stupid rich people don't know what's good for them and keep buying iPhones. I wonder why?
- flkenosad 1y ago
  They have no friends who like them enough to help them troubleshoot their androids.

pjmlp 1y ago

On the contrary, they are the last one standing fighting Google takeover of the Web as ChromeOS development platform. Without Safari we are done, just close shop on the Web standards group.

judge2020 1y ago
This is a lesson in capitalism. It’s so much more profitable to ignore small users bases when you can just tell them to “try switching to Chrome”. I think you’re wrong about Safari itself being the reason chrome isn’t a 90%+ market owner; rather, it’s apple’s requirement that no other browser engine can exist on iOS.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  It is exactly the same by another words The moment Chrome gets free reign on iOS variants, it is about time to polish those CVs as ChromeOS Application Developer instead of Web Developer.
- azinman2 1y ago
  Other browser engines can exist. JIT has to be the system’s. Others can use Apple’s JavascriptCore to gain access to it and do whatever they want on top.
  - flkenosad 1y ago
    JIT only has to belong to the system because of capitalism. If users could install whatever software they want, Apple couldn't exist.
- nozzlegear 1y ago
  > I think you’re wrong about Safari itself being the reason chrome isn’t a 90%+ market owner; rather, it’s apple’s requirement that no other browser engine can exist on iOS. It sounds like capitalism has so far saved us from a Chrome monopoly, then.
  - mopenstein 1y ago
    Capitalism doesn't exist. The fact that trademark, copyright, and patents exist nullify capitalism. There can be no free market if your government intervenes in every transaction.
    - ako 1y ago
      True capitalism can never exist due to lack of transparency, urgency, monopolies, etc. The best we can have is government controlled capitalism.
      - TeMPOraL 1y ago
        Yup. It's quite obvious that such unfettered, true capitalism quickly decays to the good ol' rule of warlords. There should be a name for this kind of fallacy, where you look at a snapshot of a dynamic system (or worse, at initial conditions), and reason from them as if they were fixed - where even mentally simulating that system a few time steps into the future makes immediately apparent that the conditions mutate and results are vastly different than expected.
      - godelski 1y ago
        > True capitalism can never exist To nitpick, you mean "unfettered capitalism". As in no government involvement. Which has the identical problem to unfettered anarchy: coalitions form, creating governments. Since many markets have network effects (e.g. bulk purchasing gives lower price per unit) a monopoly tends to be one of the possible steady state solutions. But any monopoly can choose to become a governor of their market, being able to impose regulation even through means other than government (e.g. pull resources, poach, lawsuits, or even decide to operate at a loss until the competition is dead (i.e. "Silicon Valley Strategy"). I just mention this because it's not a problem exactly limited to capitalism. It's a problem that exists in many forms of government and economics (like socialism). It just relies on asymmetric power

meindnoch 1y ago

Web Standards™ [1] __________________ [1] some feature a Chrome engineer decided to implement, to boost their yearly performance review