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Both you and OP are not looking at this from the right angle. The goal here is to decouple US from China. In the meantime, tariffs are raised on every country t

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  • permo-w 1y ago
    has no one considered that it could be simple market manipulation? have Trump's friends and allies been buying stocks in the last week or so?
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    • boyanlevchev 1y ago
      Did you see this? Unusually good timing… https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-08/gutsy-traders-make-1-5-billion-triple-leveraged-bet-tqqq-on-nasdaq-100 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-08/gutsy-tra...
      • permo-w 1y ago
        to be fair, I also made quite a lot of profit in stocks in the last few days without any inside knowledge of the whitehouse. it was a fairly safe bet that these tariffs were not going to last forever, and even if they were, there'd be reprieves
    • margana 1y ago
      Why not both?
    • arandomusername 1y ago
      Easier to just promote a shitcoin like he did already.
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• MVissers 1y ago
  Decoupling from China will lead to China annex Taiwan sooner. China will have the USA and the world by the balls then, so not sure we want that to happen quicker. And I don't think anyone is calling themselves allies of the USA right now. The whole world is looking to decouple from the USA. Europe is completely over the USA, they can't rely on them for leadership, protection or for trade. From a tech perspective, expect Europe to decouple from the USA from an economic and cultural perspective in the next decade. Smartest thing Europe can do is to create alternatives to US services, build its own defense industry and stop looking at the USA for any leadership.
  • permo-w 1y ago
    is TSMC not currently building a plant in the US? and ASML are Dutch, so they're not at risk. I’m not saying that China taking Taiwan wouldn't be a massive strategic boon, but I don't think it would be "having the world by the balls" by any means
    • robocat 1y ago
      A knowledge economy depends on information. TSMC will keep key knowledge within Taiwan as part of their Silicon Shield[1]. Look closely at a business you know well and notice how much the profits depend upon information in people's heads. Everything runs on a combination of money (capitalist profits) and non-money gains (other gains that people really care about). [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tsmc+silicon+shield https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tsmc+silicon+shield
      • permo-w 1y ago
        do you not think that if China invaded Taiwan, the top minds there would just leave and go elsewhere? the machines they use are built in the Netherlands. I know it's not quite as simple as that, but I don't think it'd be the end of the world like people are saying. I think worse would be the precedent it would set.
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• rat87 1y ago
  If the goal was to decouple from China then tarrifs would only be on China and we would encourage trade to move from China to other countries. The administrations actions have the opposite effect. It says the US is untrustworthy even to it's allies and maybe siding with China is not so bad. Note I don't like or trust the Chinese government and don't think other governments should try to get closer to them but Trump's actions make such moves much more likely
  • autoexec 1y ago
    At the very least any nation that depends on the US for goods should probably be looking to other sources where possible and increasing support for them since even if the US is useful for now, we're clearly unstable and incompetent which makes us unreliable and risky.
  • 8note 1y ago
    ir would be china, and also countries that route chinese goods into the US
• timeon 1y ago
  Isn't this bit naive? Because in order to decouple, one would expect that there would be policies to actually prepare for production inside US and then apply tariffs. Not other way around.
• threeseed 1y ago
  > In the meantime, tariffs are raised on every country to gauge which side they are on Tariffs were raised on Australia, UK, New Zealand and Canada. It's asinine to say that you can trust these countries with your most secret intelligence (Five Eyes) but not enough to say treat them as allies.
  • defrost 1y ago
    As an Australian who has spent decades watching the trade and resources markets it was notable that Australia, NZ, UK, Canada, and much of the world started taking calls from China and meetings with ambassadors. The Trump plan to "decouple from China" was verging on dividing the world into the US and everybody else .. a large reason behind the partial rollback. Countries are now openly rejecting China's offer to join hands .. but still sitting on the possibility of further deals with China should the US tariff insanity continue.
  • smileysteve 1y ago
    Also, the amount of badmouthing of Japan, Korea, Germany... Especially car companies which have built plants in America.
• wonderwonder 1y ago
  "The goal here is to decouple US from China. In the meantime, tariffs are raised on every country to gauge which side they are on. Once US knows who the allies are, they will negotiate to have those allies put up massive tariffs on China as well to prevent transshipping." You literally made this up. There has been no announcement about this from the admin. Its all just speculation.
  • SirMaster 1y ago
    Isn't this what the press secretary said today?
    • wonderwonder 1y ago
      I'm honestly not sure, I kind of tuned out after I saw her lecturing the press on the art of the deal.
    • mrguyorama 1y ago
      Seeing as there is near total disconnect between what this admin says and what it demonstrably does (let alone the disconnect from reality entirely), why would anyone take anything they say at face value? There is zero signal coming from any of these folk's mouths.
• feyman_r 1y ago
  >>> US wants nothing to do with China. As the biggest consumer economy in the world, the have that right. Yes, they have the right, but it doesn’t mean this is the right way. Consumers don’t suddenly stop consuming, and factories in the world don’t immediately start producing. This is like a slow flywheel; had we been almost spinning and ready to jump, it would make sense. This is not that. Also, China is a super power which controls more than factories today. I agree they need to be checked, but sudden changes are not the way. I wish we did it by building trust with allies and then pushing China. Right now, even our allies are wary of us.
• defrost 1y ago
  > Remember that China promised trump in term 1 to massively import US goods and reduce fentanyl China stopped selling unlicensed fentanyl to the USofA, it later stopped supplying fentanyl to both Mexico and Canada. The problem was that criminals in the USofA and Mexico purchased precursor chemicals in bulk and made their own fentanyl. Restricting precursors led to pre-precursors being purchased in bulk for drug labs to make their own precursors in order to make fentanyl. The fentanyl problem continued under Trump and rapidly grew in size during his first term. In 2021, Mr. Biden issued an executive order imposing sanctions on individuals and companies engaged in the illicit opioid trade. His Treasury Department put sanctions on more than 300 individuals and entities, freezing entire networks of fentanyl suppliers and traffickers out of the international financial system. In 2023 and 2024 he identified China as a major illicit drug-producing country for its role in the synthetic opioid trade — a blow to the reputation of China’s chemical industry. Simultaneously, the Biden administration pushed U.S. law enforcement agencies to conduct aggressive investigations and build indictments against dozens of Chinese citizens and companies that were trafficking fentanyl precursor chemicals into the United States. [..] Biden secured a personal commitment from President Xi Jinping to restart counternarcotics cooperation in November 2023 [..] And we made progress. International fentanyl supply chains showed signs of disruption, forcing traffickers to change sources and tactics. Together with other diplomatic initiatives and an expansive public health campaign, the number of lethal fentanyl overdoses in the United States has dropped. In the 12 months ending September 2024, overdose deaths were down an estimated 24 percent from the year prior. ~ https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/18/opinion/trump-china-trade-war.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/18/opinion/trump-china-trade... What has Trump done now he's back in office? Destroyed any cooperation with China on counternarcotics cooperation. Tariffs alone will not push China’s government to help reduce drug overdose deaths in the United States. In fact, with Beijing already imposing retaliatory tariffs and proclaiming that it’s “ready to fight till the end,” Mr. Trump’s blunt-force tactics might drive China to cooperate less on fentanyl, not more. With the stakes as high as they are, American communities cannot afford a miscalculation.
• tail_exchange 1y ago
  > In the meantime, tariffs are raised on every country to gauge which side they are on Why on earth would you be on the side of a country like this? Why we should be an ally of the US right now, if Trump can't even uphold agreements he signed himself 5 years ago? What guarantees do we have that, as soon as we decouple from China, the US won't treat us as a vassal because we gave up our only alternative? The only rational choice is to either be neutral or ally with China.
  • Fade_Dance 1y ago
    It looks like the consensus response is other countries embracing more multilateralism. This is a huge opportunity for proponents and governments that promote multilateralism to take charge and make it happen. Ex: China has restricted trade with Aus since 2020 because they, essentially, insulted China/didn't restrict their speech in ways that China wanted. This provides an opportunity for this to be rolled back, which is economically win-win (as most free trade is). Expect to see this sort of thing many times over between many countries in the world. Of course this is rooted in the fact that having ex-US trading partners is no significantly more valuable. There is the second point to mention too though, which is that China is not exactly an exemplar of open markets and free trade, which is why you are not seeing many countries ally with China and form a united front against the US's trade rampage. Looking beyond the deranged policies, there are some truths in saying that China is a currency manipulator, has imbalanced trade to such a degree it causes problems in other economies, and even the somewhat more "far fetched" points about the unsustainability of a permanent trade deficit do have some truth on some level. That is why, yes, you are seeing the EU normalize trade relations with China, but there are important caveats, like discussions about China having an expert quota and even internally capping production numbers within their own economy are on the table front and center. This would have never happened before, because China's strategy was to peg a low currency, export, and extinguish industries ex-China. Wish to some level is part of free trade, but it is underpinned in China with state sponsorship to a higher degrees in most trading partners are comfortable with (which is of course countered by the allure of cheap goods). So another view would be that parties like the EU have new leverage against China that they can use to cut trade deals that strip out some of the abusive practices that made them uncomfortable in the past. If China is then willing to move on a bit from these approaches then the net outcome should be beneficial for the world of course. I think that many players see the dangers of taking binary sides now more than ever. And indeed, skilled negotiators should see the advantages of playing these forces against each other to get what is best for them. In the face of the recent outrageous events, I would expect a sudden outburst of pragmatism elsewhere.
• wqaatwt 1y ago
  > And China has shown that agreement with them has no value Unfortunately they still have much more value than agreements with the US and Trump specifically. Which Canada and Mexico found out the hard way. Of course the probability that Trump actually forgot that he was the one who no signed USMCA and none of his “advisors” dared to tell him is not insignificant..