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Is OVH not a European cloud provider? There are also smaller players like Hetzner.

realusername 2y ago
They try hard to brand themselves as a cloud provider but I'd say that they mostly are a VPS provider. The cloud side isn't polished enough to pretend to be a cloud provider.
- danielscrubs 2y ago
  I wouldn’t describe Google nor Microsofts products as ”polished”. Humongous maybe?
  - blablabla123 2y ago
    Yes, especially Azure's success seems largely driven by their generous free tier for startups and the lock-in of the Windows ecosystem. While I like the user interface, after having used it for more than a year I've successfully stayed away from it ever since.
- blablabla123 2y ago
  Meanwhile AWS' popularity was largely driven by EC2 servers which are VPS. Also they are literally called OVHcloud...
  - everfrustrated 2y ago
    Calling yourself a cloud doesn't make you one. Can you do auto scale groups with dynamically scaling load balancers yet on OVH? AWS has had that for 15 years now.
    - omnimus 2y ago
      I dont think you realize how small scale majority of EU gov software has to be. When you have country with population under 10mil and your gov form is used by 10% of those people a year… Thats 80k submissions a month, split by 20 workdays = 4k submissions a day over 8 work hours = 500 submissions hour or about 8 submissions a minute. I know these are wrong numbers and there are peaks etc. But many would dare to put this on single server with sqlite. Even if you 10x that. You do need autoscale groups or self healing architectures. Govs requirements are CRUD apps whos biggest issues are design, accessibility, data permissions etc. Not scale.
      - everfrustrated 2y ago
        While the often advertised point of auto scaling is to handle some imagined large load, in reality it's used as a reliability principle. For example, it enables seamless rollout strategies for frequent cicd. Any regressions in application performance are automatically handled by scaling up, etc.
      - deleted 2y ago
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- rsynnott 2y ago
  > The cloud side isn't polished enough to pretend to be a cloud provider. I mean, see Azure and Google Cloud a few years back. For quite a while the market was AWS, and also some joke services which nobody who wasn't required to used (notoriously, in 2012 Azure was substantially entirely down for _over a day_ due to a leap day).
sam_lowry_ 2y ago
Hetzner is not small, I would say it's several times bigger than OVH in turnover, but this is just a guess based on their perceived markets and market share in those markets. The cloud offered by Hetzner is the perfect sweet spot for me, but the vast majority of IT crowd and non-IT decision makers in EU want AWS-like. But all EU alternatives that mimick AWS will be worse than the alternative. Pretty much like wvery MS Word copycat was worse... until Google Docs shifted the paradygm.
- paulccci 2y ago
  Hetzner had revenues of €470m in 2022 (last available). It was €866m for OVH over the same period. Source: S&P CapitalIQ
- TiredOfLife 2y ago
  OVH is larger. They occasionally burn down a datacenter or two and are still going.
apexalpha 2y ago
OVH and Hertzner sell lumber, people want furniture.
invaliduser 2y ago
OVH (french) is very well known and I like them a lot. Used them for domains a lot, because they are very cheap and their management is nice. I also like very much ScaleWay (french also) for price and quality of service, have used them for years on my startup, can highly recommend. Also heard a lot of good things about Infomaniak (swiss), but never used them myself. Would love to hear about european cloud providers with comments from users.
pabs3 2y ago
The fire they had didn't help their reputation: https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/13/ovh_sbg5_opens/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/13/ovh_sbg5_opens/
Vinnl 2y ago
From the same author about this very subject: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/the-european-cloud-ladder/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/the-european-cloud-ladder/
- Vinnl 2y ago
  Ah actually, more from today: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/dear-hosting-providers-you-sell-lumber-and-not-furniture/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/dear-hosting-providers-you...

They try hard to brand themselves as a cloud provider but I'd say that they mostly are a VPS provider. The cloud side isn't polished enough to pretend to be a cloud provider.

danielscrubs 2y ago
I wouldn’t describe Google nor Microsofts products as ”polished”. Humongous maybe?
- blablabla123 2y ago
  Yes, especially Azure's success seems largely driven by their generous free tier for startups and the lock-in of the Windows ecosystem. While I like the user interface, after having used it for more than a year I've successfully stayed away from it ever since.
blablabla123 2y ago
Meanwhile AWS' popularity was largely driven by EC2 servers which are VPS. Also they are literally called OVHcloud...
- everfrustrated 2y ago
  Calling yourself a cloud doesn't make you one. Can you do auto scale groups with dynamically scaling load balancers yet on OVH? AWS has had that for 15 years now.
  - omnimus 2y ago
    I dont think you realize how small scale majority of EU gov software has to be. When you have country with population under 10mil and your gov form is used by 10% of those people a year… Thats 80k submissions a month, split by 20 workdays = 4k submissions a day over 8 work hours = 500 submissions hour or about 8 submissions a minute. I know these are wrong numbers and there are peaks etc. But many would dare to put this on single server with sqlite. Even if you 10x that. You do need autoscale groups or self healing architectures. Govs requirements are CRUD apps whos biggest issues are design, accessibility, data permissions etc. Not scale.
    - everfrustrated 2y ago
      While the often advertised point of auto scaling is to handle some imagined large load, in reality it's used as a reliability principle. For example, it enables seamless rollout strategies for frequent cicd. Any regressions in application performance are automatically handled by scaling up, etc.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
rsynnott 2y ago
> The cloud side isn't polished enough to pretend to be a cloud provider. I mean, see Azure and Google Cloud a few years back. For quite a while the market was AWS, and also some joke services which nobody who wasn't required to used (notoriously, in 2012 Azure was substantially entirely down for _over a day_ due to a leap day).

sam_lowry_ 2y ago

Hetzner is not small, I would say it's several times bigger than OVH in turnover, but this is just a guess based on their perceived markets and market share in those markets. The cloud offered by Hetzner is the perfect sweet spot for me, but the vast majority of IT crowd and non-IT decision makers in EU want AWS-like. But all EU alternatives that mimick AWS will be worse than the alternative. Pretty much like wvery MS Word copycat was worse... until Google Docs shifted the paradygm.

paulccci 2y ago
Hetzner had revenues of €470m in 2022 (last available). It was €866m for OVH over the same period. Source: S&P CapitalIQ
TiredOfLife 2y ago
OVH is larger. They occasionally burn down a datacenter or two and are still going.

apexalpha 2y ago

OVH and Hertzner sell lumber, people want furniture.

invaliduser 2y ago

OVH (french) is very well known and I like them a lot. Used them for domains a lot, because they are very cheap and their management is nice. I also like very much ScaleWay (french also) for price and quality of service, have used them for years on my startup, can highly recommend. Also heard a lot of good things about Infomaniak (swiss), but never used them myself. Would love to hear about european cloud providers with comments from users.

pabs3 2y ago

The fire they had didn't help their reputation: https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/13/ovh_sbg5_opens/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/13/ovh_sbg5_opens/

Vinnl 2y ago

From the same author about this very subject: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/the-european-cloud-ladder/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/the-european-cloud-ladder/

Vinnl 2y ago
Ah actually, more from today: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/dear-hosting-providers-you-sell-lumber-and-not-furniture/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/dear-hosting-providers-you...