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this seems interesting and I (very briefly) installed to check it out but never actually used. I just noticed there is no IOS version? bit strange no? also n

by ajr0 2y ago

this seems interesting and I (very briefly) installed to check it out but never actually used. I just noticed there is no IOS version? bit strange no? also no update on their blog since 2023? would be interested to read whats going on recently, is there another place to look?

CobaltFire 2y ago
I noted that as well. Honestly given the target audience and the limited dev resources I (as an iOS user) do think focusing on Android is probably the right choice here.
unethical_ban 2y ago
iOS doesn't allow apps to stay active in the background to listen for messages like Android can. And since Briar very much does not rely on the vendor push services that is a showstopper.
- mmwelt 2y ago
  Indeed, this is very much a limitation for all apps on iOS that don't want to rely on centralised services, such as a push notification server other than Apple's. See also: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/685525 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/685525
tredre3 2y ago
They explain the iOS situation here: https://code.briarproject.org/briar/briar/-/wikis/FAQ#will-there-be-an-ios-version-of-briar https://code.briarproject.org/briar/briar/-/wikis/FAQ#will-t...
- throwawayq3423 2y ago
  Is there an iOS alternative?
ploum 2y ago
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- VertanaNinjai 2y ago
  I’m not sure where you’re pulling “backdoored” from, but if Apple markets their devices as private then it seems reasonable that end users expect a private device.
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    > if Apple markets their devices as private then it seems reasonable Not really.
    - ploum 1y ago
      > if Apple markets their devices as private then it seems reasonable So they are people reading hackernews who really think that marketing is honest and good faith? Yes, the "care" about our privacy. That’s what they wrote. It must be true then…
  - maqp 2y ago
    There's probably not a backdoor in the device. At least I haven't seen any news about that. But. Apple has been an NSA PRISM-partner since 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#/media/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#/media/File:Prism_slide_... Also, apparently they had 100% success rate installing malware on the devices: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/the-nsa-reportedly-has-total-access-to-your-iphone/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/the-nsa-rep... It's been close to 12 years since Snowden. Who knows how the defense has improved. Who knows how the offense has improved.

by ajr0 2y ago

CobaltFire 2y ago

I noted that as well. Honestly given the target audience and the limited dev resources I (as an iOS user) do think focusing on Android is probably the right choice here.

unethical_ban 2y ago

iOS doesn't allow apps to stay active in the background to listen for messages like Android can. And since Briar very much does not rely on the vendor push services that is a showstopper.

mmwelt 2y ago
Indeed, this is very much a limitation for all apps on iOS that don't want to rely on centralised services, such as a push notification server other than Apple's. See also: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/685525 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/685525

tredre3 2y ago

They explain the iOS situation here: https://code.briarproject.org/briar/briar/-/wikis/FAQ#will-there-be-an-ios-version-of-briar https://code.briarproject.org/briar/briar/-/wikis/FAQ#will-t...

throwawayq3423 2y ago
Is there an iOS alternative?

ploum 2y ago

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VertanaNinjai 2y ago
I’m not sure where you’re pulling “backdoored” from, but if Apple markets their devices as private then it seems reasonable that end users expect a private device.
- johnisgood 2y ago
  > if Apple markets their devices as private then it seems reasonable Not really.
  - ploum 1y ago
    > if Apple markets their devices as private then it seems reasonable So they are people reading hackernews who really think that marketing is honest and good faith? Yes, the "care" about our privacy. That’s what they wrote. It must be true then…
- maqp 2y ago
  There's probably not a backdoor in the device. At least I haven't seen any news about that. But. Apple has been an NSA PRISM-partner since 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#/media/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#/media/File:Prism_slide_... Also, apparently they had 100% success rate installing malware on the devices: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/the-nsa-reportedly-has-total-access-to-your-iphone/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/the-nsa-rep... It's been close to 12 years since Snowden. Who knows how the defense has improved. Who knows how the offense has improved.