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Strange that the wsj has suddenly found some courage, considering they were the among the biggest cheerleaders of his candidacy. Did they not hear him continual

Strange that the wsj has suddenly found some courage, considering they were the among the biggest cheerleaders of his candidacy. Did they not hear him continually say he would impose tariffs on day one?

tombert 2y ago
It appears that literally every one of Trump's followers assumed he wasn't serious about this. The people I've talked to about this seem to be very surprised that he did exactly what he said he'd do. I have lots of pretty negative things to say about said followers but I don't want to get hellbanned by dang.
- cozzyd 2y ago
  It's a power he has, of course he's going to exercise it, just like a toddler presses all the buttons on the elevator.
  - Grosvenor 2y ago
    Toddlers?
    - defrost 2y ago
      Not all the buttons, famously (in many puzzles) just the ones they can reach. > It's a power he has, I̶'̶d̶ [of] course he's going to exercise it, Dang? Surely not!
  - tombert 2y ago
    I mean, sure, but it's still completely frustrating to me. It's especially frustrating that these people are always looking for secret "codes" being spelled out by politicians, instead of actually listening to anything they actually say. I saw a meme recently that said Trump was wearing a purple tie to signify unity between Republicans and Democrats, despite the fact that Trump spent the entire talk complaining about Democrats. It's infuriating, and it's worse than "stupid", it's outright dishonesty on their end.
    - cocacola1 2y ago
      Maybe it’s me, but I’ve seen a general uptick in people trying to discern meaning from meaningless drivel over the years. Not to make light of the current situation, but I recall people reading tea leaves trying to divine that Rockstar would make some significant GTA6 announcement on December 27th.
      - tombert 2y ago
        Oh I hear you, and it drives me crazy for that stuff too. It's not exclusive to conservatives, I know plenty of left-leaning people who do dumb stuff like this too, but it does seem to have become the identity of the party after Trump took over.
      - morkalork 2y ago
        "The bear is sticky"
      - mcphage 2y ago
        > I recall people reading tea leaves trying to divine that Rockstar would make some significant GTA6 announcement on December 27th Good ol' "U R MR GAY" strikes again.
    - red-iron-pine 2y ago
      the point behind the "firehose" disformation strategy is to keep a constant, unceasing stream of that BS going all the time. often it doesn't even involve making stuff up -- just let the rubes spew dumb ideas via social media and run some mild repost bots. the point is that there is so much dumb stuff any real, valuable speculation gets lost in the noise, and correct (if only semi-credible) discussion gets drowned out by other bits.
  - donbox 2y ago
    Yeah, especially the ones colored red, which are also usually on the bottom row.
  - polotics 2y ago
    What if you're wrong? What if the apparently irrational behaviour hides a well planned policy that has desirable outcomes for someone?
    - cozzyd 2y ago
      So the argument is that there may be some secret super compelling justification that for some reason can't be articulated, and, against all odds, hasn't been leaked, despite being telegraphed for months? Yeah, that's not plausible at all.
      - ty6853 2y ago
        IMO the tariff on Canada is purely because they are in free trade with Mexico and without Canada imposing the same tariff on mex, the US must impose the same on Canada or they become trivially an import proxy to bypass our tariffs on Mexico. What the US really wants imo is for Canada to tariff Mexico so we can remove the Canada tariff without undermining the Mexican one. Pretty much guarantee we'll see Trump pushing Canada to do that in the upcoming negotiations.
        cozzyd 2y ago
        Yet, rather than saying that, Trump is implying that he wants Canada to be a US state. Whether or not he means that, US-Canada relations will be irreparably harmed for a long time.
        AnimalMuppet 2y ago
        Pretty sure Trump doesn't actually want that. If Canada became a US state, it would add two US Senators, and several US Representatives. Those new members of the US Congress would be likely to not be Republicans. Mind you, I don't know if Trump has thought that far. But "own Canada, but good bye ruling majority"? I'm not sure he really wants that.
        bryanlarsen 2y ago
        Which of course, is the opposite of what just happened - Trump just delayed the Mexican tariff implementation. Sounds like he's more interested in punishing Canada than punishing Mexico.
- hipadev23 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - tombert 2y ago
    I don't want to dickride too much, but I feel like HN is decidedly less awful than most other discussion boards, in no small part because it has decent moderation. I do think that sometimes they're a bit too quick to flag something purely because it can be deemed "political", but for the most part I think that HN's moderation has been ok.
    - hipadev23 2y ago
      > > I feel like HN is decidedly less awful than most other discussion boards I agree, but that's unfortunately a very low bar these days. If we got rid of upvotes/downvotes (keep flagging privileges, but make it public record, and abuse-it-you-lose-it) the variety of thought and ideas on HN would 100x overnight.
  - addandsubtract 2y ago
    > Users on HN learn what sentiment on a given topic is rewarded and repeat it in exchange for upvotes. I don't disagree, but the biggest reward (most) people see in life is money. People have adopted the philosophy of "morals and ethics be damned, if it makes ME more money, I'm doing it." The biggest and best role forums, such as HN, can play is to show and communicate with people that there are issues bigger than money. That even if you were to donate your entire paycheck to charity, you enabling Zuck, Bezos, Musk & co. is worse for the world.
- creato 2y ago
  There were comments like that on HN, assuring us all that Trump has serious people figuring out a rational plan for tariffs.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  To be fair Trump immediately forgets the vast majority of the stuff he claims he'll do. Im definitely surprised that he followed through on the tariffs even though theyre pretty easy for him to implement.
stevenwoo 2y ago
But not too much courage, nobody took credit for writing this, it just says editorial board.
- apexalpha 2y ago
  Seems a logical decision given the President's tendency to retaliate on a personal level against those who 'wrong' him by just doing their job.
perihelions 2y ago
- "Did they not hear him continually say he would impose tariffs on day one?" I've read that a major bank advised there was a <20% chance of those tariffs actually happening. Polymarket was at 30% a couple days ago. They assumed he was bluffing. https://polymarket.com/event/will-trump-impose-large-tariffs-in-first-6-months https://polymarket.com/event/will-trump-impose-large-tariffs... ("Will Trump impose large tariffs in his first 6 months?")
- ipython 2y ago
  It’s still only at 2/3?
  - inverted_flag 2y ago
    The tariffs take effect Tuesday, so there’s still a possibility that Trump backs off.
- voisin 2y ago
  With Trump’s first presidency I had read many times that people took him figuratively when they should have taken him literally. Not sure what the excuse is today, since he clearly said he was going to do the things he is doing now. Again taking him figuratively rather than literally?
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tombert 2y ago

It appears that literally every one of Trump's followers assumed he wasn't serious about this. The people I've talked to about this seem to be very surprised that he did exactly what he said he'd do. I have lots of pretty negative things to say about said followers but I don't want to get hellbanned by dang.

cozzyd 2y ago
It's a power he has, of course he's going to exercise it, just like a toddler presses all the buttons on the elevator.
- Grosvenor 2y ago
  Toddlers?
  - defrost 2y ago
    Not all the buttons, famously (in many puzzles) just the ones they can reach. > It's a power he has, I̶'̶d̶ [of] course he's going to exercise it, Dang? Surely not!
- tombert 2y ago
  I mean, sure, but it's still completely frustrating to me. It's especially frustrating that these people are always looking for secret "codes" being spelled out by politicians, instead of actually listening to anything they actually say. I saw a meme recently that said Trump was wearing a purple tie to signify unity between Republicans and Democrats, despite the fact that Trump spent the entire talk complaining about Democrats. It's infuriating, and it's worse than "stupid", it's outright dishonesty on their end.
  - cocacola1 2y ago
    Maybe it’s me, but I’ve seen a general uptick in people trying to discern meaning from meaningless drivel over the years. Not to make light of the current situation, but I recall people reading tea leaves trying to divine that Rockstar would make some significant GTA6 announcement on December 27th.
    - tombert 2y ago
      Oh I hear you, and it drives me crazy for that stuff too. It's not exclusive to conservatives, I know plenty of left-leaning people who do dumb stuff like this too, but it does seem to have become the identity of the party after Trump took over.
    - morkalork 2y ago
      "The bear is sticky"
    - mcphage 2y ago
      > I recall people reading tea leaves trying to divine that Rockstar would make some significant GTA6 announcement on December 27th Good ol' "U R MR GAY" strikes again.
  - red-iron-pine 2y ago
    the point behind the "firehose" disformation strategy is to keep a constant, unceasing stream of that BS going all the time. often it doesn't even involve making stuff up -- just let the rubes spew dumb ideas via social media and run some mild repost bots. the point is that there is so much dumb stuff any real, valuable speculation gets lost in the noise, and correct (if only semi-credible) discussion gets drowned out by other bits.
- donbox 2y ago
  Yeah, especially the ones colored red, which are also usually on the bottom row.
- polotics 2y ago
  What if you're wrong? What if the apparently irrational behaviour hides a well planned policy that has desirable outcomes for someone?
  - cozzyd 2y ago
    So the argument is that there may be some secret super compelling justification that for some reason can't be articulated, and, against all odds, hasn't been leaked, despite being telegraphed for months? Yeah, that's not plausible at all.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      IMO the tariff on Canada is purely because they are in free trade with Mexico and without Canada imposing the same tariff on mex, the US must impose the same on Canada or they become trivially an import proxy to bypass our tariffs on Mexico. What the US really wants imo is for Canada to tariff Mexico so we can remove the Canada tariff without undermining the Mexican one. Pretty much guarantee we'll see Trump pushing Canada to do that in the upcoming negotiations.
      - cozzyd 2y ago
        Yet, rather than saying that, Trump is implying that he wants Canada to be a US state. Whether or not he means that, US-Canada relations will be irreparably harmed for a long time.
        AnimalMuppet 2y ago
        Pretty sure Trump doesn't actually want that. If Canada became a US state, it would add two US Senators, and several US Representatives. Those new members of the US Congress would be likely to not be Republicans. Mind you, I don't know if Trump has thought that far. But "own Canada, but good bye ruling majority"? I'm not sure he really wants that.
      - bryanlarsen 2y ago
        Which of course, is the opposite of what just happened - Trump just delayed the Mexican tariff implementation. Sounds like he's more interested in punishing Canada than punishing Mexico.
hipadev23 2y ago
[flagged]
- tombert 2y ago
  I don't want to dickride too much, but I feel like HN is decidedly less awful than most other discussion boards, in no small part because it has decent moderation. I do think that sometimes they're a bit too quick to flag something purely because it can be deemed "political", but for the most part I think that HN's moderation has been ok.
  - hipadev23 2y ago
    > > I feel like HN is decidedly less awful than most other discussion boards I agree, but that's unfortunately a very low bar these days. If we got rid of upvotes/downvotes (keep flagging privileges, but make it public record, and abuse-it-you-lose-it) the variety of thought and ideas on HN would 100x overnight.
- addandsubtract 2y ago
  > Users on HN learn what sentiment on a given topic is rewarded and repeat it in exchange for upvotes. I don't disagree, but the biggest reward (most) people see in life is money. People have adopted the philosophy of "morals and ethics be damned, if it makes ME more money, I'm doing it." The biggest and best role forums, such as HN, can play is to show and communicate with people that there are issues bigger than money. That even if you were to donate your entire paycheck to charity, you enabling Zuck, Bezos, Musk & co. is worse for the world.
creato 2y ago
There were comments like that on HN, assuring us all that Trump has serious people figuring out a rational plan for tariffs.
HDThoreaun 2y ago
To be fair Trump immediately forgets the vast majority of the stuff he claims he'll do. Im definitely surprised that he followed through on the tariffs even though theyre pretty easy for him to implement.

stevenwoo 2y ago

But not too much courage, nobody took credit for writing this, it just says editorial board.

apexalpha 2y ago
Seems a logical decision given the President's tendency to retaliate on a personal level against those who 'wrong' him by just doing their job.

perihelions 2y ago

- "Did they not hear him continually say he would impose tariffs on day one?" I've read that a major bank advised there was a <20% chance of those tariffs actually happening. Polymarket was at 30% a couple days ago. They assumed he was bluffing. https://polymarket.com/event/will-trump-impose-large-tariffs-in-first-6-months https://polymarket.com/event/will-trump-impose-large-tariffs... ("Will Trump impose large tariffs in his first 6 months?")

ipython 2y ago
It’s still only at 2/3?
- inverted_flag 2y ago
  The tariffs take effect Tuesday, so there’s still a possibility that Trump backs off.
voisin 2y ago
With Trump’s first presidency I had read many times that people took him figuratively when they should have taken him literally. Not sure what the excuse is today, since he clearly said he was going to do the things he is doing now. Again taking him figuratively rather than literally?

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