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93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

33 points by fbelzile 2y ago

anoncow 2y ago
A company like Google should not be allowed to run a company like YouTube. They should be separate entities.
- deadbabe 2y ago
  YouTube should be an entirely non-profit entity, with no interests beyond delivering content as fast as possible.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  I suspect that on both sides of the ocean there's parties clamouring for breaking up Google; Youtube as its own company would make sense, but that's assuming it's financially and technologically healthy enough on its own.
oidar 2y ago
Yet another instance of where the right thing is done by Google only if the journalists gets involved.
- edm0nd 2y ago
  Theres so many stories of legit YouTube creators being just nuked by Google and not being able to get any help unless they are huge channels or the media gets involved. Its really pathetic and sad. Do better Youtube/Google.
- amelius 2y ago
  Capitalism is the new authoritarianism.
qmarchi 2y ago
Disclaimer: Former Technical Solutions Engineer for GCP, aka Support for Customers. Also Former Engineer on YouTube Caching. To get it out of the way, I do not agree that it should've taken a journalist to get involved to have this situation solved. However, I'd like to prompt Hacker News with how would you handle receiving support requests from a product that has >2.7B users. Almost all of which are non-directly revenue generating, across hundreds of different languages, in every conceivable location in the world. It's an extremely hard problem to solve, but I don't think anyone has got it right. I'll be playing devil's advocate in the comments. Keep me busy for my flights.
- gooosle 2y ago
  You start by not banning people for nothing.
  - qmarchi 2y ago
    Except for that you risk breaking laws in several jurisdictions if you don't. And you can't fall back to "manual" enforcement think of the massive capital of human resources you'd have to invest in to make it keep up with the upload rate of YouTube.
    - gooosle 2y ago
      Give me a single example of laws in any jurisdiction that require this user to be banned. There was absolutely no reason to ban in this case and you know it. If there was one video where rules were unintentionally broken, and the user has no history of that before, you remove the video, not completely ban the user.
    - prmoustache 2y ago
      If it is not sustainable, the service shouldn't be run.
    - deleted 2y ago
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xmuslims 2y ago
YouTube also blocks ex-muslim youtubers. Google has become another evil to deal with for them.
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clord 2y ago
The automation should be setting flags on videos. Users should have preferences for opting in or out of flags with reasonable defaults. If there is a jurisdictional requirement in a users location YouTube sets the preference to disabled according to the law and shows a link to the regional law so users understand. Hence abuse is a local thing too. One can be getting flagged in one region but not in another. ‘Abuse’ amounts to getting certain flags auto-applied in some locations or whatever. Should not affect the account itself though.

33 points by fbelzile 2y ago

anoncow 2y ago

A company like Google should not be allowed to run a company like YouTube. They should be separate entities.

deadbabe 2y ago
YouTube should be an entirely non-profit entity, with no interests beyond delivering content as fast as possible.
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
I suspect that on both sides of the ocean there's parties clamouring for breaking up Google; Youtube as its own company would make sense, but that's assuming it's financially and technologically healthy enough on its own.

oidar 2y ago

Yet another instance of where the right thing is done by Google only if the journalists gets involved.

edm0nd 2y ago
Theres so many stories of legit YouTube creators being just nuked by Google and not being able to get any help unless they are huge channels or the media gets involved. Its really pathetic and sad. Do better Youtube/Google.
amelius 2y ago
Capitalism is the new authoritarianism.

qmarchi 2y ago

Disclaimer: Former Technical Solutions Engineer for GCP, aka Support for Customers. Also Former Engineer on YouTube Caching. To get it out of the way, I do not agree that it should've taken a journalist to get involved to have this situation solved. However, I'd like to prompt Hacker News with how would you handle receiving support requests from a product that has >2.7B users. Almost all of which are non-directly revenue generating, across hundreds of different languages, in every conceivable location in the world. It's an extremely hard problem to solve, but I don't think anyone has got it right. I'll be playing devil's advocate in the comments. Keep me busy for my flights.

gooosle 2y ago
You start by not banning people for nothing.
- qmarchi 2y ago
  Except for that you risk breaking laws in several jurisdictions if you don't. And you can't fall back to "manual" enforcement think of the massive capital of human resources you'd have to invest in to make it keep up with the upload rate of YouTube.
  - gooosle 2y ago
    Give me a single example of laws in any jurisdiction that require this user to be banned. There was absolutely no reason to ban in this case and you know it. If there was one video where rules were unintentionally broken, and the user has no history of that before, you remove the video, not completely ban the user.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    If it is not sustainable, the service shouldn't be run.
  - deleted 2y ago
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xmuslims 2y ago

YouTube also blocks ex-muslim youtubers. Google has become another evil to deal with for them.

deleted 2y ago

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clord 2y ago

The automation should be setting flags on videos. Users should have preferences for opting in or out of flags with reasonable defaults. If there is a jurisdictional requirement in a users location YouTube sets the preference to disabled according to the law and shows a link to the regional law so users understand. Hence abuse is a local thing too. One can be getting flagged in one region but not in another. ‘Abuse’ amounts to getting certain flags auto-applied in some locations or whatever. Should not affect the account itself though.